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The Status of Research Into Vaccine Safety and Autism
http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings/healthcare/02.06.19/opening_statement.htm ^ | June 19, 2002 - 11:00 a.m. | Dan Burton

Posted on 06/22/2002 4:57:29 AM PDT by rubbertramp

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1 posted on 06/22/2002 4:57:29 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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To: t-shirt; Nora; thinden; rdavis84; Al B.
What did the CDC know and when did they know it?
2 posted on 06/22/2002 5:03:20 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp
Please refresh my memory; What is the purpose of the Mercury in the vaccines?
3 posted on 06/22/2002 5:38:14 AM PDT by rdavis84
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To: rubbertramp
Years ago, I worked at an institution for the retarded. Looking back, many of the students were autistic.

Nowadays, when I see kids called "autistic" in my office, usually they are merely retarded, and don't really meet the criteria for autism. I suspect it's like a lot of epidemics we see: we lower the criteria for diagnosis, and voila an epidemic.

4 posted on 06/22/2002 7:05:32 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: rubbertramp
Thx for the heads up. Bet this is one hearing you won't see on c-span this weekend.

Too bad a congressman has to be directly affected by an issue like this before light gets shined on it.

5 posted on 06/22/2002 8:24:27 AM PDT by Al B.
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To: LadyDoc
I have always wondered if the rise in rates of autism, or whatever symptoms it is are passing for autism, has soemthing to do with drug use by parents? Either majihuana, harder stuff, amphetamines, or drugs like prozac. parsy the curious.
6 posted on 06/22/2002 8:27:11 AM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal
I have always wondered if the rise in rates of autism, or whatever symptoms it is are passing for autism, has soemthing to do with drug use by parents? Either majihuana, harder stuff, amphetamines, or drugs like prozac. parsy the curious.

I know of several cases of autism where the mothers involved were heavy drug users. Of course, this has never been disclosed to their doctors. Anecdotal information, but, still, it makes me wonder. If the medical establishment is willing to insist HIV causes AIDS, why should we expect them to get anything else straight.

Having these bozos tell me I can't have a smallpox shot when I *know* for a fact there are tons of poorly guarded smallpox stockpiles in Russia is infuriating.

7 posted on 06/22/2002 8:51:09 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: parsifal
There is a lot of ADHD (attention deficit disorder) due to the mother taking drugs and alcohol when pregnant, but not autism. No known problems with prozac, but they are looking hard. I've only told one lady to stay on Prozac when pregnant-- she had obsessive compulsive disorder, and could not function. But most cases I see are merely mild to moderate depression, and can stop it with lots of family sympathy to help them. So far the studies don't show a major increase with prozac. Lithium however causes severe malformations and is an indication for theraputic abortion.

The classical description of autism is a normal child who at the age of 8 months to two years develops a high fever. After the fever, he or she deteriorates and develops social problems, ritualistic behavior, speech abnormalities etc.

No one knows why. We do know that rubella can cause it, which is why they are so worried about MMR. Also, measles used to be associated with a lot of encephalitis, that left people brain damaged. That's why a lot of people are worried about MMR vaccine. There is also a question if the problem was the mercury preservative in the vaccine, since heavy metal poisoning like lead poisoning can cause retardation with social abnormal behavior.

Unlike a lot of the paranoia about medicine etc. this one is believed by a lot of doctors. However, most of us feel that the risk/benefit ration is worth it (kids die of measles, and one in ten thousand get encephalitis).

On line book about autism: AUTISM

For parents and relatives of autistic kids: Autism organization

8 posted on 06/22/2002 12:03:42 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc
I agree and so do physicians at every university pediatric program in the western United States. I feel that the "rising" case rate of "autism" is related to California's recognition of "autism as an entry diagnosis for Regional Center services.
9 posted on 06/22/2002 3:40:12 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: rdavis84
There is a preservative called "thimerosal" which was used in many vaccines. The thimerosal in Recombivax and Engerix-B were at levels that, if dosed by FDA/CDC guidelines, actually suppassed the per kilogram body weight exposure limit for Mercury by EPA standards. Subsequently, the major medical organizations took one year to figure out that they should request the vaccine manufacturers to actually remove the mercury...

Can we all say it...

Collective Freeper..."DUHHHH!!!"

Special "Double DUHDUH" to the Clinton Administration officials in FDA and CDC who didn't realize that EPA mercury exposure limits were being violated by the initial ACIP recommendations.

I'm still waiting to see if anyone in organized medicine has enough truth and honesty to request funding for the retrospective analysis on the kids who got Hepatitis B vaccine at birth and one month.

10 posted on 06/22/2002 3:45:54 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: rubbertramp
Thank you. BUMP for later read.
11 posted on 06/22/2002 3:57:56 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: LadyDoc
This is more than just paying more attention to a problem...read the article I posted in post #2...

Dr. Thomas Verstraten., an epidemiologist hired by CDC to review data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which consisted of approximately 500,000 children from the North California Kaiser cohort. Dr. Verstraten found a "statistically significant connection" between thimerosal and tics, verbal delays and ADHD/ADD and autism.

Autism of the past looks different from the autism of today. There are actual changes in the mitochondria of many children diagnosed with autism today.

12 posted on 06/23/2002 4:55:03 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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Revealed: more evidence to challenge the safety of MMR

By Lorraine Fraser (Filed: 16/06/2002) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/06/16/nmmr16.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/06/16/ixnewstop.html

Scientists have found new evidence to support fears that the MMR vaccine is causing children to develop autism and bowel disease, The Telegraph can reveal today.

Specialists from Trinity College, Dublin, have detected the strain of measles virus used in the MMR jab in tissue samples from the inflamed intestines of 12 children, who each developed autism after receiving the injection.

The results will add further weight to claims that MMR may be responsible for a rapid rise in autism in children over the past decade.

The Department of Health has repeatedly dismissed concerns about its safety, saying epidemiological studies have failed to find a link to autism. It has infuriated worried parents by refusing to allow the alternative of single vaccines to be prescribed on the NHS.

The work was carried out by Prof John O'Leary, a pathologist with a record of important discoveries in the field of virology. Although the finding does not prove that the MRR jab caused autism and bowel disease in the children, it raises urgent questions about the vaccine's role in their condition.

None of the children concerned had shown any sign of disease beforehand. The discovery comes days after the Government seized on a new study to bolster its claims that the MMR vaccine is safe.

The review, from a commercial company which lists the Department of Health as one of its clients, did not, however, consider work published since 1998 by scientists concerned about MMR.

Prof. O'Leary's results have been made public in a précis of a scientific presentation released ahead of a meeting of the Pathological Society of Great Britain and Ireland next month. It was greeted with alarm by parents last night.

Jackie Fletcher, of the parents' group JABS, said the findings had profound implications and must be taken seriously. "We have parents shouting that these problems are occurring and what do the Government and health chiefs do - they keep their heads buried in old reports not designed to identify these problems," she said. "No one is listening. Why?"

Ann Hewitt, whose son Thomas, eight, has severe autism and bowel problems, learned earlier this year that Dr O'Leary had found measles virus in the boy's gut. She and scores of others who received the same news now want to know what is going on.

The new results follow a study by Prof O'Leary and his colleagues, reported in February, in which they found measles virus of unknown origin in gut biopsies from 75 of 91 autistic children with bowel problems.

Measles virus was found in only five of 70 normal youngsters. The team now claims that the new study corroborates their earlier work linking measles virus with the condition and "indicates the origins of the virus to be vaccine strain".

Last night Visceral, a charity set up to fund research into autism and bowel disease, called for MMR to be suspended until studies establish just what the vaccine-strain virus is doing. MMR, which contains live measles mumps and rubella virus, was launched in the UK in 1988 and is given to infants at 12-15 months and four years.

The samples tested in Dublin were from some of nearly 200 youngsters diagnosed with developmental disorder and "new variant inflammatory bowel disease" by doctors at the Royal Free Hospital, in London, where Dr Andrew Wakefield worked until he was ousted last December.

The controversy over MMR and autism began four years ago when Dr Wakefield and his colleagues reported in The Lancet on 12 children with autistic problems and bowel disease and revealed that the parents of eight of them had said their children regressed developmentally after receiving the MMR jab.

While the genetic code of the strain of measles virus used in MMR differs only minutely from that of the virus responsible for natural infections, Prof. O'Leary and his colleagues were able to use a commercially produced molecular probe to distinguish the two.

The probe was designed to detect a single difference in the genetic code of the viruses and to give off a fluorescent signal when it does so. The MMR row became so heated this year that Tony Blair, the Prime Minister - who has refused to say whether his two-year-old son Leo has had the MMR jab - accused Dr Wakefield and the media of "scaremongering" on the issue.

The chief medical officer, Professor Liam Donaldson, has indicated he would rather resign than abandon official policy on the three-in-one vaccine.

Dr Wakefield said last night: "Prof. O'Leary and colleagues have now provided what may prove to be the most important piece of evidence to date in the case against the MMR vaccine. Parents must at the very least be given a choice of single vaccines.

"Not to do so in the face of these data and all the other evidence we have now published would be negligent in the extreme. It is not acceptable to assume that this vaccine virus is an innocent bystander if your concern is for the safety of the children."

The Department of Health said that it had no plans to review the use of MMR. "This study, if true, does not prove that MMR causes the condition of autism just because the virus is present in the gut. Critical will be independent testing of the teams' samples, which has long been awaited," said a spokesman.

13 posted on 06/23/2002 5:10:16 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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As you know, mercury is a neurological toxin. You would think a vaccine manufacturer would know this, wouldn't you?

Autism is rising at an epidemic rate in this country. Remember all that "for the children" stuff with the Clintons. Remember Rob Reiner talking about the wonders of a baby's brain. Meanwhile, early intervention...0-3 programs in this country have been savaged. Many parents who seek answers about their child's disability are shut down by managed care gatekeepers.

Recently talking to a young mother, she was informed by her doc that mercury had been taken out of the vaccines.....yeah...I doubt it. But that is probably what the doc had been told...and everyone trusts the doctor.

14 posted on 06/23/2002 5:24:25 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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To: parsifal
Parents who use heavy drugs during pregnancy, many times have babies with missing parts to their brain...some times no brain at all. I often wonder why there isn't an ad campaign for this as there is for drinking or smoking during pregnancy.

Most parents that I see that have autistic children are pillars of the community who follow doctor's regimen to the letter.

15 posted on 06/23/2002 5:29:25 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp
As you know, mercury is a neurological toxin. You would think a vaccine manufacturer would know this, wouldn't you?

You would think so. But when it comes to potentially neurotoxic agents as a by-product of something that is perceived as "good," people take a "see no evil" approach to the issue.

This is especially true of LEGAL psychiatric drugs.  The profession only looks into neurotoxicity questions when forced into it, and long after much damage has been done.  Even then, they acknowledge the problems and do nothing about it.

A perfect example is neuroleptics (antipsychotics).  It took them 2 decades to begin to acknowledge the neurological wreckage these drugs cause.  But even then, they simply put the appropriate warnings in the PDR and kept on truckin'.  Now in the last few years, we're beginning to hear the first whiffs of potential neurotoxicity problems with SSRIs.

Thanks for continuing to highlight this issue.  We need to know a lot more on this as well as progress on related issues such as the role of neurotoxic agents in Parkinsons and Alzheimer's.  When the U.S., with 5% of the world's population, produces 25% of the Alzheimer's patients, something is wrong.

16 posted on 06/23/2002 8:12:02 AM PDT by Al B.
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That's interesting about the fever my autist son had alot of ear infections I always thought it was that. I always gave my son tylenal before all vacines so no fever would result from the vacine.
17 posted on 06/23/2002 8:22:17 AM PDT by is_russia_western
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To: LadyDoc
Boy am I glad you are not my doctor!
18 posted on 06/23/2002 9:11:02 AM PDT by DaRocksMom
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To: rubbertramp
The article you posted has been debunked for years. Wakefield no longer works for the research institution because the hypothesis was nonsensical and the massive public health studies do not support his opinion. There is simply no link between MMR and autism. The fact people like you keep posting this stuff reminds me of the UFO craze. MMR will cause autism when little green men walk from the White House!
19 posted on 06/24/2002 12:54:31 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
I guess you doctors don't have to study statistics in college....just do what that pretty pharmacuetical saleswoman tells you and take your trip to Aruba every year.

The increase in reported Autism isn't due to increased screening...If anything. There is less screening going on. Teachers are tripping over these kids in schools. The only ones not recognizing this increase in autism stats are you bone-headed doctors.

20 posted on 06/25/2002 2:52:39 AM PDT by rubbertramp
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