Posted on 06/22/2002 4:57:29 AM PDT by rubbertramp
If you are attempting to prove your point, you've certainly not done so. There is no empirical, clinical, or scientific study that correlates MMR and autism. I've reviewed the literature fully and the issue is about as moot as can be. The only individuals making this claim are liberals in the news media like at CBS 60 Minutes, NBC Dateline, ABC 20/20, and Time Magazine. None of these sources are credible and none have published any study that supports such conclusion. Instead, they have published meritless stories which create more stories and paint a political picture. Regretably, Dan Burton stands alone in his convictions. Autism has many causes, but MMR is certainly not one of them.
Go back to watching UFO's on Star Trek, bonesmccoy.
Scientists have found new evidence to support fears that the MMR vaccine is causing children to develop autism and bowel disease, The Telegraph can reveal today.
Specialists from Trinity College, Dublin, have detected the strain of measles virus used in the MMR jab in tissue samples from the inflamed intestines of 12 children, who each developed autism after receiving the injection.
The results will add further weight to claims that MMR may be responsible for a rapid rise in autism in children over the past decade.
Prof. O'Leary's results have been made public in a précis of a scientific presentation released ahead of a meeting of the Pathological Society of Great Britain and Ireland next month. It was greeted with alarm by parents last night.
Look like someone forgot to ask Dr. O'Leary's opinion about all this. From this article: On 2 July 2002, however, Professor O'Leary rejected Dr Wakefield's interpretation of his work, insisting that it 'in no way establishes any link between the MMR vaccine and autism' (1). Indeed, he strongly recommended that parents should give their children MMR. O'Leary's judgement echoed that of other experts who had earlier dismissed Wakefield's claims for this research to the congressional committee in Washington. The first piece of evidence promising some support to the hypothesis advanced by Dr Wakefield in 1998 was thus discredited even before publication.
Though Professor O'Leary himself denied that his work gave any support to the case against MMR, in the weeks leading up to the July Dublin meeting it was widely cited by anti-MMR campaigners. Throughout June 2002, reports of the impending publication of this research provided a major publicity boost to a campaign that had flagged since the Christmas 2001 furore over whether Tony Blair's son Leo had had his MMR jab (a period in which the uptake of MMR had shown signs of recovery). The hype surrounding the O'Leary paper reveals much about the modus operandi of the campaign and its leading figure, Dr Wakefield.
OOOPS!
The above is from the post by bonesmccoy. Mercury is a neurotoxin. The vaccine manufacturers know this. They still do not want to get rid of it because it costs them a few bucks. No wonder the Japanese prefer measles to the risk of cognitive damage to otherwise perfect babies.
And arsenic is a potent poison, yet it is also an essential trace element for life. What's your point?
There is no rational scientist anywhere that would say the toxicity of a substance is independent of dose. The dose makes the poison.
They still do not want to get rid of it because it costs them a few bucks.
Do you have proof of this or is this just a paranoid delusion? Do you think if the vaccine manufacturers were doing something so nasty, the dems in Congress wouldn't be all over them right now in the current anti-business climate?
No wonder the Japanese prefer measles to the risk of cognitive damage to otherwise perfect babies.
Actually, I believe they banned the use of a vaccine that used the Urabe strain of mumps,and that was associated with an increased risk of aseptic meningitis. And since there is no alternative combination vaccination licensed in Japan, they went back to the separate shots. So your comment is a lie, they are immunizing against measles, and they do not "prefer measles".
However, since you do seem to "prefer measles", here is a story sure to warm your heart; Italy hit by measles epidemic . 358 children had to be hospitalized, thirteen developed encephalitis, which can cause brain damage, 63 developed pneumonia, and 3 died. All becuse of low vaccination rates. How wonderful.
I take it since you seem to be so enthralled with Japan and their governemt, you approve of their gun control measures also?
The point was that the vaccine manufacturers were already requested to remove the thiomerosal. EOM
You do realize that if you let your children drink out of most sinks and water fountains, they are ingesting lead AND arsenic?
So why isn't everybody sick?
Because there are safe levels for everything. If you don't realize that you have no business telling us anything.
THE DOSE MAKES THE POISON.
I don't really care what "you think". You are wrong.
The ever increasing life expectancy and ever decreasing childhood disease rates prove that you are wrong.
If you can not quote and point to the exact posting, there is no basis for your ridiculous claims.
You should punt the ball before we score the safety.
Look in the heading under thimersol....duh!
July 8, 2002
DOCS GET BONUS FOR GIVING MMR VACCINE
What Next? It seems that in the U.K., GPs have been getting payments for rounding up their patients for the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine. If 90 per cent are vaccinated, they receive 2,865 pounds, but the payola drops to 955 pounds if only 70 per cent are vaccinated.
It seems now that the docs are concerned that they may be wrecking their credibility with their patients. Sure, especially since the MMR has become so controversial.
Let’s get this straight: they’ve been receiving extra money for vaccine targeting? Isn’t that a CONFLICT OF INTEREST? Or are British docs too dumb to understand that?
It is estimated more than 24,000 people could have been infected with measles. The three children who died were aged six months, four and 10. There were 981 reported cases of measles in the Campania region of southern Italy between January and May this year. Of those affected, 358 had to be hospitalised. Thirteen developed encephalitis, which can cause brain damage and 63 pneumonia. In Campania, where the largest city is Naples, only 53% of children have been vaccinated against measles by the age of two. OUTBREAK FEARS In the UK, latest figures show 84% are immunised by that age, compared to 92% in 1995. There have been 159 cases of measles so far this year, compared to the normal annual average of 100. After an increase in the number of cases of measles in London this year, some doctors warned their could be an outbreak there within the next two years if parents continue to reject MMR.
Experts say a measles epidemic in Italy, which has killed three children, is a lesson to parents about the importance of vaccination. It is estimated more than 24,000 people could have been infected with measles.
ANYTHING that they can do to get the number of vaccinated children up is a good thing. I'm amazed that you really seem to relish children suffering with preventable diseases.
Which vaccines do you think children should definitely get?
On the other hand, your ridiculous postings suggest that you are nothing but an anarchistic shrill, hysterical and panicked about the non-existant.
Obviously, fact has no place in your analyses.
Just for the record in this fact-filled discussion, that's not what Dr. Wakefield said, nor is it what the hospital medical school said, according to this news report.
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