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1 posted on 06/23/2002 8:16:59 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The train wreck is coming, and this time it could be on a national scale.
2 posted on 06/23/2002 8:32:56 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
As a technician, then an instrumentation engineer, then a startup engineer, I have helped to build and commission the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant, Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant, Cholla #4 coal-fired plant in Joe-City, AZ.

I am available immediately.

Funny thing, though. I just did a search on monster.com. There is not one power plant startup engineer job listed in the entire united states.

3 posted on 06/23/2002 8:38:41 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: Dog Gone
In Iowa, we will be building two new coal fired plants in the next 5-10 years. Rec'd approval to build one by Des Moines and in Council Bluffs (across river from Omaha, Nebraska).
5 posted on 06/23/2002 8:42:16 AM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: Dog Gone
"Much of this new generation will be fueled by natural gas."

Really?

Where do you think the gas is going to come from and at what price? Existing storage masks the fact that production is down and there is no sign the decline will stop. Adverse tax, environmental, and business policy at the state and federal level is destroying capital formation in this industry also and the consequence is that people are not drilling holes in the ground looking for gas at the bottom.

Moving unused existing gas here from Alaska or southeast Asia will have a real cost around $6.50 or $7.00 (not the $4.50 the LNG industry claims) and it will take a long time to get the facilities to move and use the gas in place.

8 posted on 06/23/2002 8:55:49 AM PDT by David
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To: Dog Gone
Read the newspapers. What ever problems the power companies/traders suffer is of their own doing.

What's lost in all the noise about round-trip trading and creative accounting is the fact that the United States still faces a host of energy problems but has yet to come up with any viable solutions.

On the one hand he rallies for "deregulation" so the crooks he described would come up with the solution on the other he wants the government (regulators) to come up with solutions.

(Texas') PUC staff suggests $7 million fine for Enron

the companies artificially created shortages on transmission lines by overscheduling power at certain times. Those companies were then paid to remove electricity from the state's power grid so other providers could meet their demand.

The PUC report said Enron Power Marketing, or EPMI, a unit of Enron Corp., engaged in "enormous overscheduling" of power during a test of the deregulated market.

a fact the staff took into consideration in recommending the hefty fine. Lanford said other factors are the "egregiousness and repetition of the violations" and "previous history of violations."

Enron scheduled load more than 500,000 percent over its power needed to cover the demand in the north zone and more than 1,000,000 percent over its actual load for the west zone.

Reliant Energy Services earned $3.5 million by overscheduling power last summer.

There's an example of deregulation Texas style. Deregulation is at best a joke and at it's worst a scam on the captive rate payers.

10 posted on 06/23/2002 8:57:31 AM PDT by lewislynn
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To: Dog Gone
The answer is.........AlGore........unless he has too many iced tea breaks. Al can get it done (he is changing his stripes) if he can avoid the iced tea breaks.......out of the room, out of sight, and totally unknowing !!!
11 posted on 06/23/2002 9:00:09 AM PDT by ChasingFletch
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To: Dog Gone
The Greenie-Weenies are trying to stop the growth of industry in this country. They de-cry coal fired plants as "dirty" yet they also try to block any attempts at new Nuclear and Hydro-electric projects as well. Solar and wind-driven generation is a joke using current technology. The only thing keeping widespread use of electric vehicles from happening is current battery technology. Imagine the electrical demands if everyone was recharging thier cars on a daily basis?

Coal-fired plants are the only way to currently meet demand. The same people who say we must lessen our dependence on foreign oil are many of the same that supported the Clinton administration making the largest reserve of high-grade coal in the world part of a "wildlife preserve".

If we are serious about ending this impending "crisis", Let us all encourage the Bush administration to reverse this idiocy and open up the vast coal fields and give incentives to companies to build more coal-fired plants.

A local inventor has developed a process for burning even high-sulpher content coal cleanly without the use of scrubbers.

See this story: http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/06/18534925.shtml?Element_ID=18534925

14 posted on 06/23/2002 9:13:10 AM PDT by maximus@Nashville
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To: Dog Gone
Much of this new generation will be fueled by natural gas.

I remain skeptical of the "deregulation" panacea, not only because of the fincancial gymnastics by which Enron screwed their own stockholders, but also because the focus is merely on financial deregulation, not of the other burderns that are placed on various forms of power generation.

IMHO, even those companies that are innocent of Enron type misbehavior are still short-sighted in their investments. Natural gas is the "easiest" route to take because it is so clean-burning. But what happens in aggregate if, as a nation, we put all our eggs into the natural gas basket? (including automobile companies looking to replace gasoline engines with natural gas powere fuel cells?)

Additionally, many of the natural gas plants being built are smaller "peaker" units. While these may be financially "efficient" (minimal investment, maximum revenue charged at "peak" rates), they are still not as "efficient" as the very large "base-load" power plants which require a much larger investment initially.

Prior to the deregulation phenomena, the "public utility" model served our nation well for many, many decades. To date, deregulation has yet to prove itself. Yes we need more power plants, both to replace antiquated plants in addition to satisfying new demand created by growth. But what we need to emphasize are the large base-load plants: nuclear and clean-coal technologies. Not over-reliance on a slew of little natural-gas peaker units misapplied to base-load demand.

19 posted on 06/23/2002 9:59:56 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Dog Gone
Soon US consumers will have the choice of making their own electricity for their home or business.The proton exchange membrane fuel cell will make this possible for anyone with access to natural gas,among other hydrocarbons.
22 posted on 06/23/2002 10:03:55 AM PDT by Petar Mrkonjic
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To: Dog Gone
For example, over the next two decades, the nation will need about 1,500 new electric plants to meet projected demand.

A little simple math tells me we need an average of 30 plants built per state. Do we need to build 30 in one year or two per year over fifteen years or one per state per year

How many do we have on line currently? How many can be upgraded?

Also, does this projection take into consideration better efficiency and materials to conserve power consumption?

I don't see a train wreck coming, maybe a pile up with a bunch of rubber neckers getting in the way.

24 posted on 06/23/2002 10:11:28 AM PDT by JZoback
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To: Dog Gone
It would seem there would be an excellent opportunity for some wise investors to build some nuclear power plants in Mexico and sell electricity to the US.
25 posted on 06/23/2002 10:12:48 AM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Dog Gone
Imo we need to go back and look at the cleanest source of electricity today....you guessed it, nuclear.
28 posted on 06/23/2002 10:29:26 AM PDT by Aaron_A
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To: Dog Gone
I will
37 posted on 06/23/2002 10:58:56 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Dog Gone
Why are we burning NATURAL GAS (a ready and inexpensive source for energy for MOBILE applications) in STATIONARY POWER PLANTS?
And WHY, in God's name, are we NOT moving ahead with SAFE, CLEAN NUCLEAR POWER (from which France now gets over 80% of ITS power)? We WILL solve the waste problem -- safely and cleanly. Since it takes over a decade to get a new nuke certified, we'd better get started now.
No one died at Three Mile Island. People DID at Chernobyl, of course, but that was an antiquated carbon pile system controlled by equally antiquated technology operated by undertrained personnel.


39 posted on 06/23/2002 11:22:19 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: chimera
fyi bump
41 posted on 06/23/2002 12:02:56 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Dog Gone
Q: Who will build 1,500 power plants we need?
A: Bring in more illegals, they'll do the work.

Q: Isn't it because of all these millions of additional illegals one of the reasons we need the power plants?
A: Yes, and that is why we have to open the border even more so we can provide them with the power they are entitled to have.

42 posted on 06/23/2002 12:14:59 PM PDT by varon
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To: Dog Gone
I will build one... Once I clean the garage, mow the lawn, and take out the garbage. Oh, and I need to change the oil too.

43 posted on 06/23/2002 12:21:34 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Dog Gone
"Finland and several other countries, recognizing that nuclear power is the most environmentally benign process for generating electricity"

What a ridiculous statement. If its so benign, then why is W foisting all that "safe" waste on the citizens of NV? Why don't the states that generate it want it in their back yard? I'm no greenie, but statements like this go far to give the nuclear industry a black eye.

61 posted on 06/24/2002 12:07:35 AM PDT by brat
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To: Dog Gone
"Indeed, Texas has the potential to become a leading exporter of electricity to other states if, and when, the United States completes a national power grid.."

That will never happen. There are a few direct lines between the Texas grid and the other grids, and they are very controlled, and easily disconnected. At this point in time, Texans probably would sooner secede from the Union rather than tie their power system to a national power grid. It seems to me one time, they did in fact try to connect the grids and a group of Texans cut the lines.

63 posted on 06/24/2002 8:30:25 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: Dog Gone
We need wind power not gas fired power plants.
71 posted on 06/24/2002 10:34:28 AM PDT by biblewonk
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