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Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 19
6/24/02 | Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 19

Posted on 06/23/2002 10:08:41 PM PDT by stlnative

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To: freedox
I'm curious about Mr. Smart having provided Ricci with a car......the family is explaining that as a barter, but it does sound unusual, especially since the family is saying he only worked for a couple of months.

If Smart's used to working on a strictly-cash basis, this could actually make a lot of sense. Suppose Ricci's car is broken down or unreliable, so he can't make it to work. Smart trades him carfare for wages, and both guys save some money.

And the tidbit about Ricci having burglarized the Smart home last year.....I wonder why that has been kept under wraps. I don't recall hearing that the Smarts had ever had trouble with break-ins before.......

That would fall into the SLCPD's "we're not telling you all we know" bucket.

And this revelation gives more credence to my speculation that Ricci, or somebody Ricci knew, had the key to the Smart's house. They got in by walking in the front door.

81 posted on 06/24/2002 10:58:27 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: freedox
Another thing that doesn't add up to me is that if you were burglarized, it seems you would be much more careful about setting the burglar alarm. It had been a little over a year since the burgarly.

Was this burgarly reported by the Smart's?
82 posted on 06/24/2002 10:59:20 AM PDT by FR_addict
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Authorities Questioning Convict Who Used to Work in Home of Missing Utah Girl

Published: Jun 24, 2002
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Police investigating the apparent kidnapping of 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart said Monday that they have not ruled out a handyman with a 29-year criminal record.

As a result of focusing the investigation on those who had access to the Smarts' home, they talked again to the man and are checking out his alibi, said Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse.

"At this point in time, he is not a charged suspect, but he is very interesting," he said.

Police have been questioning Richard Albert Ricci, a man who worked in the Smart home more than a year ago.

He was arrested on an unrelated parole violation June 14, police spokesman Fred Louis said. That was nine days after Elizabeth Smart was reportedly taken at gunpoint from her bedroom in an affluent Salt Lake City neighborhood.

Despite having had Ricci in custody for 11 days, police haven't been able to pin down the man's whereabouts on the morning of the abduction, Dinse said. Ricci has not been charged in the kidnapping.

"We have questions about his actions between May 31 and June 8," Dinse said.

AP-ES-06-24-02 1320EDT

83 posted on 06/24/2002 10:59:38 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Bella
Interesting that they're saying that he was known to the Smart children.

Such as one Mary Katherine Smart, eh?

I wonder if Ricci had anybody who worked with/for him?

84 posted on 06/24/2002 10:59:58 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: brigette
The reason I posted that, was because Linda Vester of Fox News, broke in with a Bulletin. They had just recieved word from officials, that Recci HAD WORKED IN THE HOME FOR 6 MONTHS. ( that was the breaking news )...

Then...they switched back to the family spokesman, who was being asked at that time.." How long did Recci work for Ed ? " , and to that, he replied..." Maybe 2 months, or three..A VERY SHORT TIME '.

Now, giving him the benefit, maybe he doesn't know how long the guy worked for Ed. It just sounded strange that they broke in with a Bulletin, and then the ans. to the question was different.

85 posted on 06/24/2002 11:00:24 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: FR_addict
Gets stranger and stranger. What kind of business deal is this? To avoid paying taxes, to avoid Ricci losing unemployment benefits? Something's not right. You might make a deal about work in exchange for a car with a teenager, but not a grown man unless you are trying to get away with something.

There's definitely something really strange with this entire case.

86 posted on 06/24/2002 11:00:46 AM PDT by Bella
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To: Neenah
I assume you meant brother Tom. What makes you think it has anything to do with their religion? It has been discussed several times that Tom is employed as a photographer for the Deseret News, and that his media conenctions and savvy made him a sensible choice for the family, when choosing someone to help handle the onslaught of press inquiries, conferences, etc. Once he assumed this role, he no doubt was the recipient of a lot of advice and information that didn't get to the parents as fast as it got to him (the parents were distraught, busy with other aspects of the investigation and impact on their other children, and confident that a trusted family member was handling a lot of the information flow). He probably made decisions based on his knowledge, and the parents chose to go with his decision as to what was best even when it contradicted their first instinct.

Tom took a lot of heat on these threads last week for deciding not allow a Mark Klaas-selected sketch artist to meet with Mary Katherine, even though the parents had been heard earlier to support the idea on the grounds that "we need all the help we can get". It subsequently came to light that Mark Klaas' involvement in the case was due his being paid by Fox news, the artist was to be paid by Fox News, and that SLC police did not want any sketch distributed. Most likely, Tom knew these facts before the parents, because the parents had asked him to act a spokesman and he was having more regular contact with various sources than they were. When they heard why he didn't think the Klaas-selected artist should be brought in, they probably just said, "oh, we didn't know that; okay you're right, let's not get her involved".

From this type of thing, some freepers have decided that there is some secret Mormon system for empowering certain male family members to control the lives of others, and are determined to get the low-down on the secret system. Get a grip, folks!

87 posted on 06/24/2002 11:05:01 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: freedox; Bella; Utah Girl
Mr. Smart having provided Ricci with a car......the family is explaining that as a barter, but it does sound unusual, especially since the family is saying he only worked for a couple of months.

Not unusual at all. Often, lower income people ASK to be paid with goods they need...and it can work ou to advantage of employer as well. Barter is a way of life for many jobless or poor people. I.E: husband of a woman who cleaned for me absolutely begged me to pay with old rusty van sitting forgotten in garage. He was mechanically inclined, but van had no value to us as it would cost more to fix it than book value...anyway, these little deals take place all the time.

I hope this creep didn't kidnap Elizabeth. As others have said, there's slim chance she'd be found alive if he did. We were better off with our rather creative conspiraciy theories, most of which offered a reason why perp would want to keep her alive.

88 posted on 06/24/2002 11:05:23 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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A news story released before the daily news conference...

Authorities Questioning Convict Who Used to Work in Home of Missing Utah Girl

Published: Jun 24, 2002

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Detectives investigating the disappearance of 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart have been questioning a convict who worked in the Smart home more than a year ago and said they haven't ruled him out as a suspect.

The man, Richard Albert Ricci, was arrested on an unrelated parole violation June 14, police spokesman Fred Louis said. That was nine days after Elizabeth Smart was reportedly taken at gunpoint from her bedroom in an affluent Salt Lake City neighborhood.

Police Chief Rick Dinse told KSTU television on Sunday that investigators haven't been able to pin down the man's whereabouts on the morning of the abduction. Detectives have been questioning the man for more than a week; he has not been charged in the kidnapping.

"He is potentially a big piece of the puzzle," Dinse told KSTU. "Just how big, we're not sure at this point.

"We haven't been able to satisfy ourselves that he was not involved."

Ricci, 48, had been living in the Salt Lake City suburb of Kearns. He has a long criminal history in Utah, beginning with a burglary conviction in 1973. He was been in and out of prison for the past three decades, and was most recently freed on parole in 2000.

Ricci's convictions also include aggravated robbery, attempted homicide and a prison escape.

Chris Thomas, who has been acting as a spokesman for the girl's family, said Ricci last worked in the Smart's Federal Heights home more than a year ago, painting and doing handyman work.

Authorities scheduled a news conference for Monday in Salt Lake City about their interview of Bret Michael Edmunds, whom they had sought for two weeks for questioning in the abduction investigation.

Edmunds was interviewed at a West Virginia hospital by FBI agents and Salt Lake City police detectives.

Investigators were analyzing the interviews, Louis said.

FBI spokesman Kevin Eaton didn't return messages left by The Associated Press. He said Saturday that questioning Edmunds, 26, likely would not substantially change the Smart case because he was a possible witness and not a suspect.

A milkman helped police trace a car owned by Edmunds that was spotted in the family's neighborhood two mornings before her June 5 abduction.

The car was seen in a suburban Salt Lake subdivision in the days following the girl's disappearance, but searchers recovered nothing after dogs picked up a possible scent in the area on Friday.

Edmunds checked himself into a hospital in Martinsburg, W.Va., on Thursday for treatment of drug-related liver damage. He was listed in serious but stable condition Monday, hospital officials said.

Authorities said Edmunds was cooperative with investigators and allowed a search of his vehicle.

AP-ES-06-24-02 1253EDT

89 posted on 06/24/2002 11:05:41 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
Can you please add me to the ping list?
90 posted on 06/24/2002 11:06:43 AM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: FR_addict
Gets stranger and stranger. What kind of business deal is this? To avoid paying taxes, to avoid Ricci losing unemployment benefits? Something's not right. You might make a deal about work in exchange for a car with a teenager, but not a grown man unless you are trying to get away with something.

I suspect there are many FReepers who not only advocate this sort of dealing, but do it extensively themselves. For years now it's been called the "underground economy," and/or the barter system. It's a very common practice, especially in the building trades, to work on a cash basis. It only seems odd here because it's a kidnapping case.

If you look at Ricci's record, there are very good reasons for him to avoid taxes: if he's paying them, they know where he lives. And in case you missed it, he was originally picked up on parole violations. When the choice is between jail and unemployment....

91 posted on 06/24/2002 11:07:25 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: freedox
this is what I heard from Fox....that Ricci worked as much as for 6 mos for the Smarts...that he was fired because Ed thought he, Ricci, had stolen from the home...and I thought I heard that one of the items stolen was a skate- board..

NOw, skate board's are usually kept in the garage aren't they?...was the garage opened at that time too?

Is that just an odd coincidence?
92 posted on 06/24/2002 11:07:30 AM PDT by cherry
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To: brigette
Handyman Admits Burglarizing Smart Residence Last Year

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93 posted on 06/24/2002 11:07:30 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: Bella
Doesn't sound strange to me at all. In fact, now that Ricci is in the picture, it all starts making sense and aligns with statistics.

First Ricci was known to the family. They likely thought they were helping out someone who was down on his luck, and both parties were benefitting. Ricci was probably working for less than market wages, because he couldn't get a proper job where they checked references.

Ricci may have been attempting a kidnapping, but the ransom demand was foiled when it became apparent that MK was in the room and had heard his voice.

The ONE thing I can't get over is the mean-spirited blame it on the victim's family mentality that seems to prevail in these threads. Perhaps the poster who said that these vicious theories stem from a desperate need to convince oneself that "it couldn't happen to me," is right.

94 posted on 06/24/2002 11:11:02 AM PDT by Boatlawyer
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To: Neenah
I was replying to the comment the Smarts made, (that 2 or 3 months is not as short as they would like to claim) 2 or 3 months gives this guy plenty of time to figure out their daily routine, get used to the children and the children's personalities. (That was not an attack on your post... but what the Smart's said about it not being very long...)
95 posted on 06/24/2002 11:11:04 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: cherry
I sure wouldn't want a guy with Ricci's record having a grudge against me!
96 posted on 06/24/2002 11:12:24 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Tom took a lot of heat on these threads last week for deciding not allow a Mark Klaas-selected sketch artist to meet with Mary Katherine

UNcle Tom took a lot of hear because of his bizarre statements

97 posted on 06/24/2002 11:13:54 AM PDT by cherry
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To: FR_addict
"Another thing that doesn't add up to me is that if you were burglarized, it seems you would be much more careful about setting the burglar alarm."

You make an EXCELLENT point.

99 posted on 06/24/2002 11:15:29 AM PDT by freedox
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Brigette's PING LIST - Elizabeth Smart Case



If you would like on my Ping list send me a PRIVATE REPLY, with your request. This way I will not miss your request that may be buried in a public thread. To see who is on my Ping List... please click on my name in this post.
100 posted on 06/24/2002 11:16:21 AM PDT by stlnative
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