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(Vanity) Explain to me why it's "OK" for Israel to have settlements on The West Bank?
My Mind ^ | June 25th, 2002 | Johnny Shear

Posted on 06/25/2002 1:20:13 PM PDT by Johnny Shear

This is an honest question, no offense towards anyone is intended...

I won't try to claim I'm any kind of scholar on the subject of Isreal Settlements but I have done a bit of research on the subject. Yet, one question still remains...

I can't justify the Isreal Settlements in The West Bank and Gaza...In my own mind, anyway...

As far as I can tell, Isreal officially justifies these settlements based on the fact that they lay claim to Gaza and the West Bank due to defeating Arab aggressors in the 1967 war. And, Isreal is still technically at war with some Arab states so they can continue occupying these areas...

What I don't understand is how they justify the settlements. Occupation is one thing (Based on protecting themselves against an aggressor) but settlements are something completely different (In my opinion, anyway).

If anyone can educate me, I know Freepers can. And as a bonus, if anyone can supply information or sources on how the Palestinians "See Things", that would be great. (In the spirit of "Two sides to every story").


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; Israel; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: israel; isreal; palestinians; settlements
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Comment #101 Removed by Moderator

To: rabidone
"I do not agree with the reaction of the minority of Palestinians who participate in terrorism"

What about the majority who support such terrorism?

102 posted on 06/25/2002 3:00:18 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: terilyn
1947 Partition

Armistice lines following 1948 War of Independence

Arab attack, May 1967

June, 1967 cease-fire lines

1993 Oslo Accords

Jerusalem, 2000

More maps here

103 posted on 06/25/2002 3:01:44 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Johnny Shear
1. Do you think that the Indians should get all the land in North America back?

2. Do you think that Germany should get Prussia back?

104 posted on 06/25/2002 3:04:28 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Johnny Shear
1. Do you think that the Indians should get all the land in North America back?

2. Do you think that Germany should get Prussia back?

105 posted on 06/25/2002 3:04:30 PM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Alouette; Johnny Shear
Thank you Alouette!

Ping to you JS (see #103)
106 posted on 06/25/2002 3:05:19 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Johnny Shear
As far as I can tell, Isreal officially justifies these settlements based on the fact that they lay claim to Gaza and the West Bank due to defeating Arab aggressors in the 1967 war. And, Isreal is still technically at war with some Arab states so they can continue occupying these areas...

Even if they werne't "still technically at war" with any "Arab states", Israel could still hold that territory.

Why? Because they won a war, silly. Victors in war often gain land. In fact that is the primary way states gain land. A better question would be whether anyone could come up with an argument for why Israel should not hold this land they won in a war and have decided they need for security purposes. Again, short of losing a war (which they haven't yet), how can you justify saying Israel ought to voluntarily give up their land? The burden's on you. The "Palestinians" who want that land either ought to come up with a brilliant irrefutable justification, or they need to win a war against Israel. Short of that, there's nothing to say. It's Israel land to do with as she pleases.

What I don't understand is how they justify the settlements. Occupation is one thing (Based on protecting themselves against an aggressor) but settlements are something completely different (In my opinion, anyway).

Explain?

To be honest, from my point of view "occupation" is much worse than "settlements". Think about it: In "occupation" an army moves in and stations troops around your neighborhood. But what is "settlement"? Regular people go and live in a place. What is so objectionable about that? (Aside from the fact that these people are Jews, of course.)

107 posted on 06/25/2002 3:06:26 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: demsux
Why in the world would we want Japan? LOL
108 posted on 06/25/2002 3:07:14 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Johnny Shear
Explain to me why the Palistinians are permitted to have settlements inside Israel.
109 posted on 06/25/2002 3:07:52 PM PDT by advocate10
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To: MEGoody
Look what the Spaniards finally learned after 700 years of Muslim invasion of Spain. They ended up kicking them all out of Spain and saved their country from them.
110 posted on 06/25/2002 3:09:06 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Johnny Shear
I'm sure we would like to have Cuba but how would we justify taking it?

Have you heard of Guantanamo Bay?

-PJ

111 posted on 06/25/2002 3:09:44 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too
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To: SteamshipTime
It isn't complicated to me.

They lost.

We "aint givin' Manhatten back to the indians either.

The Arabs are just a bunch of panty waist whining cowards.

No matter what you aceeded to or gave them they'd still cry like babies.
112 posted on 06/25/2002 3:11:18 PM PDT by BADJOE
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To: Johnny Shear
Well they conquered them much like we conquered most of North America. The settlements in these territories are akin to our Ft. Detroit, Ft. Miami, etc. See it's simple. :-)

P.S. Oh yeah there's a Biblical justification too.

113 posted on 06/25/2002 3:12:53 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Johnny Shear
Here's is a good source for you to gain some understanding...

HISTORY OF ISRAEL

115 posted on 06/25/2002 3:13:44 PM PDT by hope
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To: jonatron
Why should arab's be allowed to have "arab countries" while everyone else has to be dilluted with diversity, immigration, affirmitive action and other crap?

Thank you! This point is almost never stressed. The same people who would lecture us about "multiculturalism" see nothing wrong with the fact that there are "Arab countries" and "Muslim countries"! And not only that, but these "Arab countries" and "Muslim countries" can do no wrong, and we must bend to their every wish, according to the hypocritical leftist geniuses.

I mean the hypocrisy is so blatant but for some reason no one notices it. No one bats an eye that there are "Muslim countries", it's just accepted for some reason. I really don't get it.

116 posted on 06/25/2002 3:13:57 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: rabidone
The recent occupation is clearly illegal and intended to provoke violence and keep the cycle of violence going.

If I see the phrase "cycle of violence" one more time I'm going to be sick.

117 posted on 06/25/2002 3:15:47 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Neckbone
You claim on your profile page that your political views are "more moderate than most people", then you proceed to make this statement:

They are all subhumans in that part of the world, and we have no stake.

I sense some cognitive dissonance going on here.

118 posted on 06/25/2002 3:17:36 PM PDT by jpl
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To: Johnny Shear
The Bible is the story of one God who chose one people through whom He would tell the rest of the world. He is the only LIVING God, all the rest are dead, dead, dead. All the other things are denominations to which you refer. I refer to the Bible, period. It has been proven over and over again to be a thoroughly reliable source of information, historically, culturally, archaeologically, geographically, genealogically and so on. Why, in all that matters, would the authors than lie about the main character? No matter, no one was ever debated into heaven and I am not about to try.
119 posted on 06/25/2002 3:18:11 PM PDT by elephantlips
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
As I recall, al-Qaeda's fight with us is the U.S. military (i.e., infidel) presence in Saudi Arabia and the continuing war and sanctions against Iraq. In that sense, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict had nothing to do with 9/11. To the extent U.S. support for Israel is a factor, we are getting ourselves involved in a religious war which will rage on regardless of how uneconomic, illogical, or unethical it becomes.
120 posted on 06/25/2002 3:21:14 PM PDT by SteamshipTime
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