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1 posted on 06/25/2002 4:24:39 PM PDT by BlackJack
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To: BlackJack
The damn fools will eventually starve themselves to death, at this rate.
2 posted on 06/25/2002 4:26:43 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: BlackJack
Nationalization?

No. Just theft.

3 posted on 06/25/2002 4:27:25 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: BlackJack
Diamonds are not mentioned. DeBeers is pretty good at getting exceptions. Did they escape?
4 posted on 06/25/2002 4:29:13 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: BlackJack
The best things the South African government could do for all its citizens is to get the crime situation under control, to promote foreign investment, to promote local investment and then to stay out of the way. In considering this, they are going down the socialist Tanzanian path (which only furthered the impoverishment of the Tanzanian people). If the government takes these mineral rights, the predictable results will be a drop in foreign investment (who would invest, when that investment could be taken away from you at any time), massive corruption of the mineral industry (like Pemex in Mexico, or the oil industry in Nigeria), a massive brain drain of expertise from the country and a loss of competitiveness. South Africa is going down the tubes. It's too bad. It's got great people and great resources. Guess it has to learn the hard way (like most of the rest of Africa).
10 posted on 06/25/2002 4:35:07 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: BlackJack
It's worse than nationalization. It's communism.
12 posted on 06/25/2002 4:36:16 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BlackJack; All; *AfricaWatch
"Pity about Africa..."

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17 posted on 06/25/2002 4:46:43 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: BlackJack
Are we going to have to sacfrice all of Africa to prove to the world that Comunism doesn't work?

I hope not.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

18 posted on 06/25/2002 4:48:54 PM PDT by LonePalm
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To: BlackJack
Some people will never learn from history.
21 posted on 06/25/2002 5:37:34 PM PDT by freeforall
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To: BlackJack
mining companies argue that the bill violates property rights

Apparently, they haven't figured out that there are no property rights in a communist mobocracy.

22 posted on 06/25/2002 5:45:33 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: BlackJack
Yet again the relentless march to dismantle the parliamentary democracies of Southern Africa continues. The whole area is toast.
25 posted on 06/25/2002 6:09:18 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: BlackJack
I don't guess it would do any good to sing a few verses of 'Give me hope Joanna' Mugabe's way?

That's the beginning of the end for South Africa if they sign that into law. I suppose it's been the beginning of the end for a few years now- but this just puts an official stamp on it. I hate to see it. Sub Saharan Africa will be a chaotic shambles soon (as if it isn't now). But at least before people always had South Africa to flee to when it got bad. They'll have to flee the continent altogether when South Africa falls.

Even the preacher who works for Jesus
The archbishop who's a peaceful man
together say that the freedom fighters
will overcome the very strong.

I wanna know if you're blind Joanna
if you want to hear the sound of drums
Can't you see that the tide is turning
Don't make we wait till the mourning comes

Give me hope Joanna...

I suppose they got what they wanted...</jaded cynicism>

27 posted on 06/25/2002 6:43:34 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: BlackJack; Clive; robnoel; Byron_the_Aussie; shaggy eel
Nationalization?

Theft by any other name.

29 posted on 06/25/2002 6:50:02 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: BlackJack
This worked so well for the Mexicans!
32 posted on 06/25/2002 7:47:10 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: BlackJack
But the Minerals and Energy Minister, Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, told the BBC the bill "will help attract more investment to South Africa because it will create more opportunities on a more level playing field".

This kind of stupidity can't be taught. South Africa...the giant flushing sound.

33 posted on 06/25/2002 7:53:48 PM PDT by Faraday
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To: BlackJack
I ran across this item from a lefty site called "One World.org". Check out the wording these people use- terms like "landless peoples" and this ominous passage:
...white farmers who continue to occupy 85 percent of the country's land to prevent poor black and landless people from exercising their rights to land, life, justice and dignity...

6/6/2002
National Land Committee and Landless People's Movement Press Statement

"Ermelo Six walk free.but apartheid remains in Ermelo"

The National Land Committee - a national network of 10 land rights civil society organisations working with poor and landless communities struggling to access land reform across South Africa - and the Landless People's Movement - an independent national movement of landless people demanding land reform - celebrate the freedom of the Ermelo Six following the State's dismissal of charges yesterday, but demand the urgent transformation of the apartheid rural injustice system that remains the order of Ermelo.

The Ermelo Six - including four LPM leaders and two NLC land activists - were among 100 people illegally arrested on 26 April, 2002 after the conclusion of a peaceful and legitimate march to the Department of Land Affairs to demand land and the transformation of the rural injustice system. The protesters were charged en masse with "illegal march and illegal gathering", despite having complied with the administrative requirements associated with the Constitutional right to Freedom of Assembly. Within an hour, the Ermelo Magistrate's Court had dismissed the charges against all but six of those arrested.

Yesterday, the State finally withdrew its charges against the remaining six, admitting that it had no case against the accused. In so doing, the State has implied its acceptance of the principle that the exercise of the fundamental Constitutional right to Freedom of Assembly as defined by the Regulation of Gatherings Act 205 of 1993 requires no more than the administrative notification of the relevant authorities - in other words that protesters are not required to obtain "permission" to exercise their right. This implied admission is an important victory for all South Africans attempting to exercise their right to protest in a democratic context but faced with apartheid-era interpretations of this right by police and other officials.

The NLC and LPM welcome the State's decision, but condemn the ignorant and racist abuse of power by the rural injustice system which allowed the arrests to be effected and the case to be pursued. The Ermelo Six travelled long distances to appear in court three times on these malicious charges, but were never even asked to plead before the charges were dismissed - making the case a clear attempt by the Ermelo rural injustice system to impose a burden on those daring to challenge the apartheid order in the town.

Racist utterances by the handful of white police who effectively run the Ermelo police station - despite the presence of a black station commander - and one prosecutor's decision to proceed with the case simply because the accused "knew too much about their rights" are just some of the indicators of the lack of transformation in this microcosm of rural South Africa.

Apartheid still lives in Ermelo - and throughout rural South Africa - as police, army commandos, prosecutors and magistrates conspire with the 60,000 white farmers who continue to occupy 85% of the country's land to prevent poor black and landless people from exercising their rights to land, life, justice and dignity.

The NLC and LPM demand the immediate resolution of the demands made by the landless people arrested in Ermelo on the 26 April. They are:

1) That every land claimant in our march receives individual attention today from the Ermelo DLA office, including the opening of our files and an immediate response on the status of each of our claims;

2) That the government must take back the land that is unused, underutilized, and unproductive; as well as the land of abusive, indebted or absentee land owners. If the government does not do this, we will have to do it ourselves. If the government does not know where such land is, they can ask us and we will gladly tell them;

3) That the government must specifically take back the land which has been turned into game reserves - and from which people have been evicted to make way for animals - because this land is unproductive;

4) That the government must immediately stop all evictions and make all evictions illegal (impose a moratorium on evictions) until a proper Land Summit is held as agreed to in Durban in November 2001 at the Land Tenure Conference;

5) That the United Nations launches an investigation into gross human rights violations on farms in our region in particular and across South Africa as a follow up to the Human Rights Watch report of 2001;

6) That the laws affecting landless people, including the Extension of Security of Tenure Act, the Land Reform (Labour Tenants) Act and the property rights clause of the Constitution are urgently reviewed in consultation with the landless. This review cannot be done by bureaucrats in Pretoria - the government must come down to the people to find out what is needed;

7) That the commando system inherited from apartheid is immediately abolished and private security companies replaced by a fair and effective police service which serves the whole community - not just the white farmers;

8) That Operation Gijimatsotsi must be replaced by an investigation of farm abuses by the Scorpions who have the power to investigate the role of the police and to take back the property of criminal farm abusers;

9) That the Department of Land Affairs must take responsibility for ensuring that our demands are met, including those demands that involve other departments, in terms of the principle of "cooperative governance".

ISSUED BY: The National Land Committee and Landless People's Movement on 6 June, 2002

40 posted on 06/27/2002 12:12:06 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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I wouldn't worry the Oppenheimers are I suspect the world's wealthiest family if the South African government f**** with them they'll be a new government.
41 posted on 07/12/2002 1:43:59 PM PDT by weikel
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