Web Site For Atheist Organization Spearheading Anti-Pledge Court Case (9th Circuit Stupidity)

Atheists and Other Free Thinkers of Sacramento, California ^

[Recovering_Democrat]

ATHEIST WEB SITE/CONTACT

The web site for the organization leading the charge to alter the Pledge, JUST in case any FREEPers want to contact them:

Atheists and other Free Thinkers
(URL: http://www.rthoughtsrfree.org/aof.htm)

From the web site, a contact number:

For information on upcoming meetings and activities, or to inquire further about AOF association, or to request informational resources on atheism and freethought, please call AOF's Voice-mail number (916) 920-7834.

1044 posted on 6/26/02 5:49 PM

[Recovering_Democrat]

BTW, doesn't this idiocy just DRIVE HOME the need to press Daschle to get Bush's judges to the floor of the Senate??

[Clara Lou]

I'm not sure how he knows this, but Judge Andrew Napolitano said that the mother and daughter who brought this suit about the pledge of allegiance also wants "In God We Trust" removed from money.

[AmericanInTokyo]

More on the scum that also brought this lawsuit about out in California. He is on the web. Quite a prominent doctor, thinker and atheist. His name is Newdow. MICHAEL NEWDOW And he says he is ready to fight for even atheist victories in America.

"Newdow says his pledge fight -- unlike AU's strategic battles -- is essentially personal. The act of 1954 infringes on his own religious freedom, he claims. He's a minister of atheism, ordained by the Universal Life Church, a controversial California entity that has ordained millions of ministers of all stripes and beliefs at the mere asking. Newdow says he'll be opening his church, the First Amendment Church of True Science (FACTS), soon, likely on the Internet. Atheists, he argues, shouldn't have to pledge to a God in whom they don't believe. He compares his refusal to that expected of Christians, who would surely refuse to pledge allegiance to "one nation under Allah." Atheists, he says, are among the last groups in the U.S. that are fair game for hatred and discrimination. (At least six states still have laws barring atheists -- who make up between 4 and 13 percent of the U.S. population -- from holding public office.) He concedes that there isn't much sympathy for atheists in mainstream America and that his cause, which has been unpublicized until now, is likely to be met with popular derision. Still Newdow says he's certain that the appellate court, on the strength of his exhaustive arguments, will have to rule with him. If it does, the case could eventually land in the Supreme Court, where the act of 1954 would get its final challenge. If the appellate court rules against him, Newdow says he'll refile the case in another district. "I'll just have to start over," he says. "I'm not going to stop banging my head against this wall."

[Clara Lou]

Not "mother" and daughter-- "father" and daughter. He considers himself a "patriot." The dad is big on laswuits.

[browardchad]

Atheists, he says, are among the last groups in the U.S. that are fair game for hatred and discrimination.

Yeah, right, there have all sorts of hate crimes against athiests, like....uh, sorry, I can't think of any, but the truth never seems to deter these people from their preposterous claims.

[muawiyah]

Daschle said the ruling is "just crazy".

[WakeUpChristian]

Call Federal Judge Alfred Goodwin and demand
that he immediately resign... (415) 556-9800

[LiteKeeper]

Bump

[Eastbound]

"I'm not sure how he knows this, but Judge Andrew Napolitano said that the mother and daughter who brought this suit about the pledge of allegiance also wants "In God We Trust" removed from money."

Then the oath "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help me God" would be next. If that happens, you may as well change the whole system of justice to find the truth without the testimony of sworn witnesses. What a can of worms this is going to be. Furthermore, whatever testimony is gained without an oath would be meaningless, for there would be no penalty for lying under oath. Hey! Is Crinton behind all this?

[Howlin]

You don't have to say "so help me God" now; you can AFFIRM that what you're telling is the truth.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of Christians out there who will not swear on the Bible.

[Howlin]

Dog says this guy sued last year to keep Bush from saying the oath at his inauguration.

He's gonna be on with Connie Chung at 8 and H&C at 9.

[Dog]

Let me see what I can find out about Newdow..

[Clara Lou]

He's gonna be on with Connie Chung
I don't think I can stand to see this guy again. I don't have blood pressure problems, but watching him (on Chung, of all things) might change that.

[Dog]

Under God" Under Appeal Physician Michael Newdow of Broward County, Florida, has appealed the dismissal of his 1998 lawsuit seeking to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and restore its original language dating to 1892. The part-time resident of Fort Lauderdale is suing on behalf of his daughter, 5

. U.S. District Judge Ursula Ungaro-Benages dismissed the case because his daughter wasn't yet school-age. Newdow argues that permitting his daughter to sit out the pledge, as provided for by a 1940's Supreme Court case, still subjects her to outsider status and religious dogma in school. The court has not considered the pledge since it was amended to include "under God" in 1948, although it recently let stand a federal court ruling dismissing a similar challenge out of Chicago. The U.S. House didn't open each daily session with the pledge until 1988, and the U.S. Senate didn't follow suit until June 24 this year.

[Clara Lou]

Newdow is big on lawsuits. He's been a busy boy.

[Carolinamom]

From Broward county......it figures.

[masadaman]

Good point. Other outcomes include stripping Christmas of national and state holiday status - the banks and the courts must be open on December 25; elimination of all military chaplains; elimination of all religious symbols in military cemeteries; elimination of tax free status for all religious institutions including somewhat covert churches like the Salvation Army; elimination by state law of licensing any religious practioner to conduct legal marriages; elimination of any tax free status for a religiously sponsored college or university like Notre Dame, Baylor, SMU, University of Chicago, Peppardine, Yeshiva University, etc.

After the aforementioned become facts of life, next come the money scamming tort lawyers suing all of the aforementioned for damages done by their conduct of what is now no-longer a legitimate activity activity just like they did with asbestos, tobacco, IPOs, etc. We are owned bag and baggage by the corrupt bar.

[Dog]

I found the article at the Sacbee site but it is in their archives........

[Howlin]

Do you suppose this guy moved to get a better court, if you will?