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Are Environmental Wackos Really Wacky?
www.devvy.com ^ | Devvy Kidd

Posted on 06/28/2002 2:17:44 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Grampa Dave
The most extreme proponents of isolating humans from nature are the so-called “deep ecologists.” These people urge that humans adopt a “biocentric” per-spective (as opposed to an anthropocentric, or human-centered view-point). The purported goal of biocentricism is to incorporate all of nature into one’s perspective, to identify with all ecosystems in nature as one’s personal interest. Sadly, deep ecologists seem incapable of expressing that perspective themselves. The first three tenets of Deep Ecology, as articulated by Arne Naess and George Sessions, dialectically separate humans from nature, rendering a biocentric perspective, an impossible paradox:
  1. All life has value in itself, independent of its usefulness to humans.
  2. Richness and diversity contribute to life’s well-being and have value in themselves.
  3. Humans have no right to reduce this richness and diversity except to satisfy vital needs in a responsible way.

The principles of Deep Ecology (there are 8) fall afoul of several constraints. First, (as they constantly remind us) humans already are an interconnected part of nature, competing for our individual benefit in our own manner as a species. Second, “Richness and diversity” are perceptions of value, important only to humans (near monoculture is a common phenomena in nature). Third, the idea that humans are responsible for maintaining a status quo among populations of existing species as a matter of “rights” is imposing a human set of values onto the results of mortal competition among species. It is a denial of dynamic equilibrium in natural selection and antithetical to the cyclical ebb and flow of populations of predators and prey.

If humans are so inherently destructive that they must be separated from nature, how could it be possible for humans to have a biocentric view? There would certainly be no hands-on opportunity to learn one. Although that might save having to expend a lot of physical effort, how would it help?

Further, these same people believe that nature is so robust and so rugged that it is fully capable of recovery without intervention, but that it is too fragile to survive our attempts to help. To decide not to take action because of the view that nature will somehow “know better” what to do, is just as much a projection of human impressions onto nature, as is the conclusion that the situation demands the investment of time and money. There is no mechanism in the process of natural selection, that implies volition on the part of nature, much less prospective reversibility.

On the other hand, humans DO exhibit prospective volition. However, if we adhere to this perspective of doing nothing, what good is preventive intervention? How would we learn to exercise it effectively and benevolently? How would we learn to reduce the impact of urban technology if we did not interact? Such a process bias toward inaction precludes even the significant probability of constructive errors.

A biocentric perspective also presumes that humans are capable of anything other than human perception. If one is busily experiencing a totality, from what perspective does one notice that?

If humans cannot assume this pan-perspective, and are operating under the belief that they are inherently destructive, then why would they consider the effort to learn it of any redeeming value? Would that choice not also be corrupted by human desire? Why, then, act to prevent action?

Any humans action in a competitive system results in harm to something. Deep ecologists would feel distraught at the loss and guilty of the failure to prevent it. Thus, to actively seek collective dominance over people they disdain, politically forcing others into mandated inaction in order to protect themselves from risk to their personal feelings, is not only anthropocentric; it is an egocentric view.

Perhaps that is why it seems to be so popular!

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21 posted on 06/29/2002 9:26:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Tailgunner Joe; madfly; Grampa Dave
Nice post, Tailgunner Joe!
Thanks for the pings, and the link. Gotta love the Pope!

BTTT!

22 posted on 06/29/2002 9:32:23 AM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Oh man, this is one of those subjects that really gets me riled!
We had to deal with all kinds of crazy rules before we could build our house up here in the Sierras. We have an endangered plant environment adjacent to our property and had to have a botanist comb through our place before we could even get a building permit.
Also we had to have an archeologist search everywhere because "they" thought we might have some Indian campsites on the property. So after many moons of jumping through political and beaurocratic hoops I finally got to build a home in the mountains.
The property with the endangered species is "managed" by the Nature Conservancy. Their management consists of tying a ribbon to the plants that are being protected. However, there is so much chapparel growing on the hillside, if a wildfire comes through, my place is toast!(And so is their protected area!) So we have to be very vigilant in cutting brush and clearing a wide fire protection line because these nature boys don't really know how to manage the area.
23 posted on 06/29/2002 10:04:55 AM PDT by senorita
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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks, this really looks like an excellent source to find out about the reality of the envirals who don't like humans: (Link to an excellent source to understand the nature of the Enviralists and suggestions on how to handle them!)
24 posted on 06/29/2002 10:17:13 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
Yes !!

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

25 posted on 06/29/2002 11:30:27 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

26 posted on 06/29/2002 11:31:33 AM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Pope is right !!

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

27 posted on 06/29/2002 11:34:40 AM PDT by blackie
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Did you ever think that the Pope would agree with us the dangers of the enviral whackos?
28 posted on 06/29/2002 11:40:41 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To tell you the truth, I never gave it much thought; I'm not Catholic... :o)

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

29 posted on 06/29/2002 11:45:36 AM PDT by blackie
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I'm not either, but many of church leaders of all denominations got brainwashed into accepting the enviral dogma as good for people. It is nice to see that Pope may be starting something positive.
30 posted on 06/29/2002 11:54:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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Right-on !!
31 posted on 06/29/2002 12:15:29 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"All life (human and non-human) has equal value."

"Equal opportunity for all. Special privilige for none." --Al Gore, Third Way summit, 2000

32 posted on 06/29/2002 1:12:23 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Grampa Dave; madfly
Thanks for the pings, both.

"If the protection of the environment is promoted as an end in itself, there is the risk that new modern forms of colonialism will come into being, which might injure the traditional rights of resident communities in a specific territory," the Holy Father explained.
... as an end in itself ... is exactly where the watermelon enviralists and their enablers and minions are taking us. Agenda 21 is the guidebook they are using, and all too much of it has already been codified into current local, County, State, and Federal rules and regulations via the 'sounds good - feels right' acceptance of the composite boilerplate suggestions therefrom.
33 posted on 06/29/2002 2:13:12 PM PDT by brityank
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bump
34 posted on 06/29/2002 10:17:06 PM PDT by mafree
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To: madfly

35 posted on 07/01/2002 6:54:15 AM PDT by KLT
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I think they REALLY ARE whacky! I went to visit my cousin and her daughter this weekend. Both, EXTREME LEFT WINGERS - or they were... I didn't know what to contribute to the dinner, I thought it would be wild berries and tofu, so I didn't take anything. My cousin's beautiful daughter is an environmental engineer (EE), graduated Humboldt State, both were tree huggers, my cousin was VERY hippie in the 60s and 70s... Anyway, I was SHOCKED, SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!! The EE began talking about how ignorant the environmentalists are, especially a particular group in Guerneville (sp?), how they are causing poop to be dumped into the rivers with the tunnel vision about the local waste facilities, etc. It was more detailed than that, but that's how my peabrain is interpreting it to shorten the conversation. She was really irritated about them environmental whackos! Funny how when one grows up, buys a home, plies their trade - they usually begin to change some of their preconceived notions (I say usually, but that's not usually true of most demoncraps/environmentalists). Anyway, I was shocked. The girl knows her stuff, has a brilliant mind, and I'm proud she's cast off the chains she wore for so many years, along with the blinders.
36 posted on 07/01/2002 12:30:11 PM PDT by tinacart
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