Dems Claim Bush and Cheney Killed Flight 93 Heroes

Newsmax.com ^ | June 29, 2002 | Carl Limbacher

[Paul Atreides]

A web site with ties to the Democratic Party and ex-President Bill Clinton is charging that President Bush is most likely "personally and directly responsible for the deaths of 37 passengers and 7 crew members on Flight 93," claiming that evidence shows Bush and Vice President Cheney ordered the plane shot down on 9-11.

The left-wing web site Democrats.com goes so far as to contend that the famous photo depicting President Bush talking on the phone that morning aboard Air Force One was likely taken as Bush was authorizing Cheney to give the order to have Flight 93 blown from the sky.

"Here is a very likely scenario," says the web site. "Bush was approving the shooting down of hijacked airliners, which led Dick Cheney to order the shooting down of Flight 93 - with all of the Heroes on board."

The photo, offered earlier this year for $150 as part of a GOP fundraising package, has the Democratic web site complaining that sale of the picture was "a huge insult to the victims of 9-11 — who died never knowing they were helping raise big bucks for the Republican party."

The report, by Democrats.com co-founder Bob Fertik, blames Bush - and not the terrorist hijackers - for killing the Flight 93 heroes:

"A careful analysis of all available evidence points to a shootdown as the most likely cause of the crash of Flight 93 - thus making George W. Bush personally and directly responsible for the deaths of 37 passengers and 7 crew members on Flight 93."

Democrats.com accuses the Bush administration of perpetrating a massive cover-up by going along with the convenient cover story that it was the battle between Flight 93's passengers and the plane's hijackers that caused it to crash into a rural field in Shanksville, Penn.

"Certainly, the White House has every reason to lie," says the Democratic Party's web promoters. "After all, it would look pretty horrible if Bush and Cheney were responsible for the deaths of the crew and passengers about Flight 93, even if the planes were shot down to protect Washington DC."

"Unfortunately for the White House" says web site continues, "there is overwhelming evidence that Flight 93 was shot down - and no evidence at all that the Heroes succeeded in taking control of the cockpit."

In fact, no one has ever claimed that Flight 93's heroes "succeeded in taking control of the cockpit." Otherwise the crash might have been prevented. The question is, did their failed efforts to regain control distract the hijackers long enough to foil their ultimate plans to attack Washington, D.C.

Given their public comments to date, the families of Flight 93's heroes seem to have no doubt about the cause of the crash.

Last April, after hearing the in-flight recording of the plane's final 30 minutes in a special session arranged by the FBI, family members seemed convinced that their relatives' heroic effort to storm the cockpit - and not a missile from an F-16 - was what brought the plane down.

"I felt incredible pride," said Deena Burnett, whose husband, Tom, died on the United Airlines plane, told reporters after hearing the tape. "It was obvious they all acted heroically."

"I never doubted that there were specific individuals who worked together, and the tape confirmed that," said Alice Hoglan, mother of Flight 93 hero Mark Bingham. "I never doubted that the cockpit had been taken over by terrorists who were thwarted, and the tape definitely confirmed that."

Hoglan, who along with the other Flight 93 relatives was asked by the FBI not to discuss specifics, described the tape as "wonderful in a strange and odd way" - hardly the words of someone reacting to evidence that her son was killed on orders of the president.

Further proof of a shootdown, Democrats.com argues, comes from reports that debris from Flight 93 was discovered eight miles away from the actual crash site, a detail the continues to perplex those on both sides of the political aisle.

But if Flight 93 did explode in midair, there are other plausible explanations, such as the bomb the hijackers said they had and threatened to detonate, according to several passengers who relayed the news in cell phone calls to relatives.

But Democrats.com doesn't let details like that get in the way of accusing President Bush of responsibility for the crash and the ensuing "cover-up."

"The FBI has stated that there was no evidence of a bomb at the crash site," the web site argues. "If the hijackers detonated a bomb, it is hard to imagine a reason why the FBI would cover it up."

Democrats.com has at least nominal connections to ex-President Bill Clinton.

Former Clinton pollster Stan Greenberg sits on the web site's advisory board.

And last August, Democrats.com boasted it had "arranged with the office of former President Clinton for birthday greetings sent by e-mail to be delivered to him personally," adding, "Please join us in thanking the last legally elected President of the United States for his dedication to public service."

On its "Community" page, the left-wing web site explains:

"Democrats.com is the largest online community of Democrats. We have created a unique space where Democrats can meet, discuss, and work towards building a stronger Democratic Party.... Take our Voter Pledge to sweep all Republicans out of office."

[cake_crumb]

"If you don't believe Bush shot down a plane of innocents, then you can believe he took no action at all!"

Great catch!

[Conservative til I die]

You're an ass. Say the President did give the orders to shoot the plane down. He killed 44 civilians. He lets the plane hit its target and we're talking about a 767 crashing in the streets of Washington DC, likely killing hundreds more innocent civilians and maybe taking out the Capitol Building. Which do you choose? It's obvious.

[cake_crumb]

"I do not recall any referances to the airplane exploding prior to imact with the ground."

Neither do I, or anyone else I know. Some people never let a little thing like LOGIC interfere.

[doug from upland]

MIDI - CAMP GRENADA

Hello democrats dot commie…we will make you cry to mommy
If for battle, you’re insistent…in a game of wits your IQ’s non-existent

What a website…trite and boring…in just seconds…all are snoring
A-ho Fertik…watch him edit…we would call him stupid but that’s too much credit

Here’s a question…will you level…is your deal with the devil?
Just admit it…you are jealous…your site ought to read “We stink, click on and smell us”

You supported the Sinkmaster…for our country, a disaster
Are your kneepads now retired…or in lies and treason are you guys still mired

You are all such whining losers…and misguided hopeless boozers
Get a job…we know the pay’s not good when you’re bused in with rent-a-mob

What accounts for your behavior…lowlifes you see as your savior
It is clear…if anyone looks close…your head is in your rear

Wait a minute…here’s fair warning…if we hear of FReeper scorning
There’s no pris’ner we’ll be taking…you can bet that your whole body will be aching

We’ll have mercy…you look sickly…death for you guys will come quickly
We are ready…are you frightened…by that look we know your sphincter has just tightened

[Stultis]

He is married to his college sweetheart mealticket Antonia Stolper, a law partner at Shearman & Sterling.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

I could not be President if I did not believe in a divine plan that supersedes all human plans. Politics is a fickle business. Polls change. Today's friend is tomorrow's adversary. People lavish praise and attention. Many times it is genuine; sometimes it is not. Yet I build my life on a foundation that will not shift. My faith frees me. Frees me to put the problem of the moment in proper perspective. Frees me to make decisions that others might not like. Frees me to try to do the right thing, even though it may not poll well.

...Pastor Mark Craig, was telling me that my re-election was the first Governor to win back-to-back, four-year terms in the history of the State of Texas. It was a beginning, not an end... People are starved for faithfulness. He talked of the need for honesty in government. He warned that leaders who cheat on their wives will cheat their country, will cheat their colleagues, will cheat themselves.
President Bush's statement of faith

[Republic]

It is very easy to respect President Bush. Everything about him relates to his faith, his groundedness and his ability to cut through all the gunk, staying focused and strong. He draws people to him by way of example...quite an amazing man.

Clinton drew people to him by way of his words, his intentions and his jolly ol good ol boy ability to smooze. Once within his clutches, many found nothing there, as said by jesse jackson the extortionist (who should recognize shallowness and lack of character without a problem) and just recently, Strobe Talbott in his new book. Clinton was not even close to being smart-no one with an ounce of intelligence would trash the Presidency of the United States like he and his fellow flying monkeys did.

This stuff the democratic web site is putting out is cruel. It is also heartless. And it is breathtakingly proof of their desparate need to bring others to their level. I am wondering if democrats, basically, are a little short on character (make that a lot short) and kinda weak in the intelligence dept, as well. Such losers. Quite amazing.

They always remind me of that old little rhyme- How LOW can you GO?. Obviously, many democrats have yet to find the bottom. They keep going lower with each passing week.

[Paul Atreides]

They have a point about one thing; it's not as heroic as bombing an empty aspirin factory. (/sarcasm)

[hoosierham]

I see name-calling is the best you can do; it must be frustrating to be so limited.

Here's some advice : " Of two evils, choose neither."

[TomB]

AS someone who lives in the area of the crash, I can say that the plane was intact and not trailing any smoke just prior to the crash. The local news interviewed dozens of witnesses on camera within hours after the incident, and every one of them saw the plane go down intact.

News reports make it sound like this area was sparsely populated when, while definitely rural, it's well populated.

One other reason it wasn't shot down. If you look at a map of the Shanksville area, the crash site is right in the middle of a number of small towns, along with a lake resort community. However, if you follow the southeasterly heading the plane was on, once it crosses the PA tunpike, only a few miles away, you get into some heavily wooded land with almost no habitation. This would have been clear to anyone in the air at the time and would have only required the firing of the missle a few second later to allow the jet to crash in an area where there were no people.

[Paul Atreides]

LOL! Is there a thumbs up emoticon? If there was, you would get it.

[Paul Atreides]

Interesting how the worst stuff about Dims turns out to be true, huh?

[Paul Atreides]

For real! Bush and Cheney don't have to run out and take a poll before springing into action. Like I said on another thread a few days ago, it doesn't matter if you agree with Bush, you have to admit, he has brought back integrity, civility, and dignity to the White House.

[Paul Atreides]

All of that happened so long ago, I cannot remember. Does anyone remember some good threads detailing the accounts on the subject?

[Paul Atreides]

Also, look at the Clintons's inner and outer circles; a large portion of both circles are people who have some sort of corruption charge against them. It is like flies drawn to the rot. If Bubba had not had a sycophantic media covering his butt, this nation would not have subjected to the eight years of utter corruption we have endured.

The Dim party is a party of division, lies, corruption, and destruction. They have no ideas, so they must destroy others with innuendo and outright lies. Hopefully, this nation will wake up and see them for what they are.

[hoosierham]

The DIFFERENCE is : nearly all the people on the plane will LIVE if an armed pilot or passenger shoots one or twenty half-inch holes in the aircraft, whereas one missile will destroy an engine and wing leading quickly to complete death and destruction.

The choice is so obvious anyone should see it.

All pilots should have been required to be armed since the day they began flying. The pilot is already in control of the plane, if he is suicidal or a terrorist then a gun in addition makes no difference; but a sane pilot can use a gun to stop a terrorist, hijacker or nutcase.....Therefore, anyone who stops a pilot from having the tools he needs is guilty of aiding and abetting terrorism.

[TomB]

See post 170

I'll go back through my bookmarks to see if I can find any of the threads. Many of them are FILLED with this conspiracy crap though.

[hoosierham]

Usually kind of a pearl gray; it seldom is really dark because of all the former city dwellers' security lights.How about where you live ?

[Paul Atreides]

Thanks for the info!

[Our man in washington]

Here's a party game for news junkies:

It's called "Democrat for a Day." Player one comes up with a negative event, such as a company going bankrupt, a dog getting sick on a car ride, whatever. All other players then write on an index card how that event can be blamed on President Bush. Player one then reads off the cards, and each player votes for the explanation that best captures the Democrat's way of thinking, with no one allowed to vote for their own explanation.

Scores are automatically doubled if the players can create an explanation that shows that President Bush was not neglectful, but actually malicious.

Here's an example of how the game might be played:

The event "Cousin Floyd's Dog dying at the age of 17."

Explanation #1: "In his many speeches, Bush has not once explained the need for better veteranary medicine, instead spending his time waging a war against the poorest people on earth to cover up the fact he stole the election. Like most Republicans, Bush doesn't care about dogs, since they aren't campaign donors." (This gets only single credit, since it's only the uncaring angle.)

Explanation #2: "Bill Clinton has been remarkably silent in his criticism of President Bush. Considering Clinton understands better than anyone else how Bush is destroying the nation, it's obvious that Clinton has been intimidated into silence. The death of Clinton's dog Buddy is no coincidence. Note how it happened right when Bush was trying to get support for the war. Bush realized, of course, that if the truth ever came to light, millions of dog owners would never vote Republican again. To reduce possible damage to the Republican party, Bush decided to reduce the number of dog owners in the country as much as possible. Because of watchdogs like Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky, he realized he couldn't get away with killing the owners (yet), but he could kill the dogs. Hundreds of dogs die in this country ever day. It's time the gutless press persued the logical explanation." (Maliciousness implied. Double credit.)

Anyway, have fun!