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FBI Agent Cleared Of Criminal Charges After Shooting Pasadena Man
WBAL Radio Website ^ | 7/2/2002

Posted on 07/02/2002 2:09:18 PM PDT by caa26

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To: caa26
Does anyone think there could have been jury tampering?

Of course not. Feeb Braga just has bad luck,that's all. This is the second bad shooting he has been involved in,and he was found blameless in the first one,too. Remember,"Feeb Happens!". It's nobody's fault.

Then again,I also think Madonna really is a virgin,and that Michael Jackson is a hetrosexual man.

61 posted on 07/02/2002 3:50:57 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: caa26
A ******* outrage.
62 posted on 07/02/2002 3:52:35 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: caa26
It is a disgrace.

The F.B.I. Agent committed attempted murder.

In the absence of knowing that the target definitely is a criminal on the loose, the authority to take life is also absent a direct threat --- there is no allowance for maybe.

Mr. Schultz was entirely innocent.

This is an example of the worst abuse of government power by a government agent.

The F.B.I. Agent should not only lose his job and benefits --- because of his gross misconduct and ignorance --- but he, not knowing who he was shooting at in his actions where he was the first to fire, especially absent the appearance of a weapon in Mr. Schultz's hands --- violated every tenet of a law enforcement officer's responsibility to restrain from taking life:

Therefore the F.B.I. Agent did not have the power under our rule of law.

That Mr. Schultz might have appeared --- by his action to reach for his seat belt release, to maybe, could have, perhaps ... well ... he possibly had a weapon --- offers no basis for the taking of life.

There was no weapon visible at any time; not even the shape of a weapon; not even the shadow of a weapon; not even the glint of a weapon; not even the sound of the metal of a weapon.

The F.B.I. Agent meant to kill Mr. Schultz; the Agent tried to "blow his head away" --- Braga meant that the victim should never talk.

It was attempted murder.

63 posted on 07/02/2002 3:57:07 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Joe Hadenuf
He was ordered to step out of the car and was shot when he reached for the seat belt release button.
64 posted on 07/02/2002 3:57:07 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; jimkress
An obvious moron who has been reported as such.

Clearly...

65 posted on 07/02/2002 3:58:12 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: Squantos; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; harpseal; pocat; SLB
The problem is that SOP now is to have these guys running around in suburbia with weapons war for as mundane a task as collecting contraband.

Too bad .... because as far as investigating crime and forensic work, the FIBers used to be second to none. Like any government agency however it eventually becomes a counterproductive, unaccountable monster that winds up doing more harm than good. We're way past the point of diminishing returns.

As usual Squantos, you're right. They can no longer be trusted .... they just can't seem to get it together. Most of what they do needs to be given back to states and municipalities. They need to all be issued .38 snub noses and go back to nailing mobsters on tax crimes, or lab work or something. These domestic "tactical units" need to be disbanded.

The biggest outrage here is the total lack of accountability. By putting the POS right back to work they're showing that they simply can not police themselves.

I hope his life gets completely ruined by the lawsuits that follow.

66 posted on 07/02/2002 3:58:35 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: EBUCK; Joe Hadenuf; harpseal
Why would they delay medical treatment?
67 posted on 07/02/2002 4:00:48 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: caa26
Allow me to be one of many to say BS.
The agent in question should at LEAST be assigned to toilet bowl cleaning before being fired and thrown in jail.
68 posted on 07/02/2002 4:04:53 PM PDT by Saturnalia
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To: caa26
Check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/647080/posts
69 posted on 07/02/2002 4:08:05 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: NC_Libertarian
Why would they delay medical treatment?

Delay in medical treatment = 1 less witness.

Had they killed the guy, his girlfriend would've told what happened...but who'd take HER word over the FBI, right?

70 posted on 07/02/2002 4:10:14 PM PDT by TryMe
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To: NC_Libertarian
I don't know. But would love to read the official FBI report.
71 posted on 07/02/2002 4:21:11 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: caa26
This 'open season' thing cuts both ways.
72 posted on 07/02/2002 4:24:55 PM PDT by Noumenon
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To: caa26
As long as feds are outside the rule of law, they can forget about any cooperation from me.

"I didn't see nuthin. Ain't seen nuthin since 1962.
Thought I was blind 'til I saw you come in here!"

Why should I help people who shoot innocent citizens in the face and then walk?

73 posted on 07/02/2002 4:34:48 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: AAABEST
GOVERNMENT TERRORISM

"The FBI spent $3 million of your tax money to blow up the World Trade Center." - Joseph Farah

FBI COVER-UP OF CHINESE INFILTRATION OF WHITE HOUSE

THE FBI'S FAVORITE HITMAN - Lon Horiuchi

Sham FBI conference used as cover for party - Your Tax Dollars At Work!
"More than 140 persons, including as many as nine FBI executives and special-agents-in-charge (SACs) of bureau field offices, attended the Oct. 9, 1997, party in Arlington for veteran agent Larry A. Potts, while only five persons showed up for the Oct. 10, 1997, conference in Quantico, Va., -- which lasted about 90 minutes, including lunch.

Two months before the party, Mr. Potts -- a onetime FBI deputy director -- was under criminal investigation over his questionable handling of a standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, during which three persons died."

FBI Chief Mueller Expresses Support for Muslim Group

VINCE FOSTER - The Mirage of Suicide and the Reality of Murder
"Miquel Rodriguez kept holding the photograph up in the light, wondering. He knew there was something wrong with it. The resolution was too blurred, even for a blowup of a Polaroid.

All you could see was a smear of blood on the right side of Foster’s neck. It was the mysterious "contact stain" that nobody was able to explain. How had the blood found its way there, against the laws of forensic science, against gravity? It was nagging at him day and night.

The Fiske Report said this blood smear had been "caused by a blotting action." The head must have fallen on the shoulder, and then bounced upright again. But that did not make any sense. There was not enough blood on the upper side of Foster’s right shoulder, and the alignment was all wrong for a mirror transfer effect.

Clutching at straws, the forensic pathology panel brought in by the Fiske investigation had concluded that somebody at the crime scene must have moved the head, and was refusing to admit it. But what did the panel know, or care to know?

Dr. Charles Hirsch, chief medical examiner for New York City and the man called to represent the panel in the 1994 Senate hearings, did not speak to the Park Police or the paramedics who attended the crime scene. He did not interview the medical examiner who did the autopsy. He did not even visit Fort Marcy Park.

He relied on autopsy documents, even though the investigation had been fatally compromised by that stage. It was imperative to go deeper into the case. But Dr. Hirsch barely skimmed the surface. This did not stop him testifying in tones of Olympian authority that Foster died where his body was found. "It is my unequivocal, categorical opinion that it was impossible for him to have been killed elsewhere."

Though they were involved in the most important death investigation since the 1960s, the doctors on the Fiske Report’s forensic panel were remarkably incurious. Perhaps forensic pathology is a more slapdash profession than we laymen had imagined. Or perhaps it is more attuned to politics. These gentlemen certainly have the most rococo resumes I have ever seen. They go on for 67 pages at the end of the Fiske Report, longer than the report itself.

We learn, for example, that Dr. Charles Stahl attended a one-day workshop at the Quillen-Dishner College of Medicine at East Tennessee State University in Johnson City on May 23, 1984. We also learn that he was the guest speaker at the Kiwanis Club of Bristol, Tennessee, on April 21, 1983.

Their resumes are quite revealing. They show that three of the four experts have close ties to the FBI and the Pentagon. Dr. James L. Luke, who essentially ran the panel and furnished it with the case documents, is Forensic Pathologist to the Investigative Support Unit of the FBI. He has a "Top Secret" security clearance.

Miquel Rodriguez, however, was not a fully signed-up member of the Washington power elite. A man of slight stature, a high-pitched voice, Iberian features, and large, round, Pre-Raphaelite eyes, he does not look the part of a tough prosecutor. But he has an almost reverential passion for his work as an Assistant United States Attorney in Sacramento. Clearly, Kenneth Starr did not know quite what he was getting when his young Hispanic—a child of migrant farm workers and a graduate of Harvard Law School—arrived in Washington in the fall of 1994 to take up his new post of Associate Independent Counsel.

Nonconformist in every way, the man even spelled his name with a dash of Portuguese defiance. No, my name isn’t Miguel, it’s Miquel. Please be so good as to get it right.

The job of Rodriguez was to reopen the investigation into the death of Vincent Foster. It was generally agreed that the Fiske investigation was so amateurish that the work would have to be done all over again. But this meant very different things to different people. For Rodriguez it meant starting from scratch with an open mind. For Mark H. Tuohey III, the head of the Office of the Independent Counsel in Washington, it meant accommodating the agenda of the U.S. Justice Department. Rodriguez was astounded when Tuohey, his boss, took him aside and told him that it would be ill-advised to challenge the essential findings of the Fiske Report.

This was to be a "friendly takeover." It would be wrong to understand this as an effort to protect the Clintons. Like most Washington lawyers Tuohey happens to be a Democrat, but that is neither here nor there. In my experience, people of his ilk are first and foremost loyal to the group, and the group is an idiosyncratic subculture of like-minded lawyers. They move in and out of the U.S. Attorney’s office in Washington, D.C. They clerk for the same Supreme Court Justices. They are members of the Metropolitan Club. They are Episcopalians and high Catholics. They are alumni of Georgetown Prep. They do not expose each other’s dirty linen in public. And there was a great deal of dirty linen in the Fiske Report. It had to be finessed as gracefully as possible.

The mission for Miquel Rodriguez, then, was to produce a better suicide report, one that was not so self-evidently mendacious. Whether or not Tuohey already knew the secrets of the Foster case is something that he will have to answer to his conscience, and to history. But it did not look good when he left the Starr investigation in September 1995 to work for the Houston law firm of Vinson & Elkins. As reported by Christopher Ruddy in The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, this was the same firm that was representing the Rose Law Firm—Where Hillary Clinton, Vincent Foster, and Webster Hubbell had been partners—in its dealings with the Office of the Independent Counsel. Vinson & Elkins issued assurances that Tuohey would recuse himself from matters relating to the Rose Law Firm. Very wise. Nobody is accusing Mr. Tuohey of switching sides in the thick of battle, but it goes to show how incestuous this circle of lawyers can be.

At first Rodriguez pretended to be following orders. He went about his business quietly, confiding only in his closest aides at the Washington office of the Independent Counsel. Unlike some of the other prosecutors—aristocratic in their work habits, caught up in the whirl of Georgetown social life—he was spending his evenings combing through the archive of documents in the Foster case, and he did not like what he saw.

It became obvious that the FBI agents who did the nuts and bolts work for the Fiske Report were engaged in a systematic cover-up. Now, a year and a half later, the same FBI agents were still there in the Office of the Independent Counsel, the gatekeepers who controlled access to the witnesses, the documents, the evidence. Yet Kenneth Starr had kept them on, allowing them to be the judge of their own past work.

Rodriguez kept muttering about the photograph. "Is this all there is?" he asked.

"Yes, that’s all there is; that’s the original", replied his FBI staff. And so it might have rested if it had not been for the courage of one person in the Office of the Independent Counsel who managed to gain access to the locked files. Hidden inside was a folder of crime scene photographs that had been deliberately withheld from the prosecutor.

Among them was the original Polaroid of Foster’s neck. What it showed was something very different from the "contact stain" in the fraudulent picture that had been circulating. Evidently, somebody had taken a photo of the original and then touched it up to disguise the incriminating evidence. This second-generation copy had then been used to create an enhanced "blow up."

It was blatant obstruction of justice. Indeed it was worse. Whoever had done this was now an accessory after the fact in the death of the Deputy White House Counsel, and they had made the mistake of failing to destroy the original."
The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
[End of Partial Transcript]

A federal appeals court has ruled that six of 10 Polaroid photographs taken of White House counsel Vince Foster's body as he lay dead from an apparent gunshot wound in Fort Marcy Park nearly a decade ago remain secret


THE LONELY CRUSADE OF LINDA IVES - The Train Deaths

The FBI knows who murdered Kevin Ives & Don Henry

"Sharlene was surprisingly frank about her job at the Mena Airport in the mid-1980s. The cocaine was flown in on twin-engine Cessnas, sometimes as often as every day. "I'd pick up the pallets and make the run down to Texas. The drop-off was at the Cowboys Stadium. I was told that nobody would ever bother me, and I was never bothered....If there was a problem I was to call Dan Harmon."

A lot of cocaine that came into Mena was taken up to Springdale in northwest Arkansas, she said, where it was stuffed into chickens for reshipment to the rest of the country.

But she had another job, which she revealed to me two years later when we were allowed to meet and talk in relative privacy at the prison library. This time she was trembling with emotion, giving free rein to the terrible remorse that had been eating at her for nine years. She used to pick up cocaine deliveries on the railway tracks near a little town of Alexander, thirty miles south of Little Rock.

'Every two weeks, for years, I'd go to the tracks, I'd pick up the package, and I'd deliver it to Dan Harmon, either straight to his office, or at my house....Sometimes it was flown in by air, sometimes it would be kicked out of the train. A big bundle, two feet by one and a half feet, like a bale of hay, so heavy I'd have trouble lifting it....Rodger the Dodger picked it up a few times.'

But in the summer of 1987 one of the drops disappeared. Furious, Harmon brought out some of his men to watch the delivery on the night of August 22. They were expecting a delivery of 3 to 4 pounds of cocaine and 5 pounds of "weed." Sharlene was supposed to make the pickup that night but she had been "high-balling" a mixture of cocaine and crystal and was totally "strung-out." They told her to wait in the car, which was parked off Quarry Road. It was around midnight.

"It was scary. I was high, very high. I was told to sit there and they'd be back. It seemed forever....I heard two trains. Then I heard some screams, loud screams. It... it...," she stammered, breaking into uncontrollable tears. She never did finish that sentence.

"When Harmon came back, he jumped in the car and said, 'Let's go.' He was scared. It looked like there was blood all down his legs."

She later learned that a group of boys had been intercepted at the drop site. According to Sharlene some of the them had managed to get away, but Kevin Ives, 17, and Don Henry, 16, were captured. Harmon's men interrogated them as they were lying on the ground, face down, hands tied behind their backs. They were kicked and beaten, and finally executed. One of the boys was stabbed to death with a "survival knife." The bodies were wrapped in a tarpaulin, carried to a different spot on the line, and placed across the railway tracks so that the bodies would be mangled by the next train.

The following day Harmon told Sharlene that she would have to ditch her car. He gave her $500 in cash and told her to deliver a packet of cocaine to an address in Rockford, Illinois. She went to an auto auction and bought an Olds Cutlass Supreme for $450 in cash and drove to Rockford. From there she fled to the obscurity of Nebraska.

....Cournan( Phyllis Cournan - FBI Agent) contacted Jean Duffey in Texas, persuading her to open the files of the drug task force. She went to see Sharlene in the penitentiary. "She asked me if Rodger Clinton had been on the railway tracks that night," said Sharlene.

..."The boys were murdered, said Phyllis, and the FBI knew who did it. But the forensic evidence was contaminated. We couldn't get anything out of the DNA," she said. "All we had were witnesses with huge credibility problems; we couldn't go to trial with that...What were we suppose to do?"

She was putting the best face on it, trying to convince herself. I could sense her slipping away into the embrace of the Bureau. She had poured her heart and soul into the case, but when it came to the crunch she was going to be a team player."
[End of Partial Transcript]
THE SECRET LIFE OF BILL CLINTON - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Federal Government Conspiracy - Remarks By Rep. Bob Barr

"We are the only ones who know what is good for the country, and we are the only ones who can do anything about it."
FBI Special Agent Joseph G. Deegan - 1977 - Source.

"We are potentially the most dangerous agency in the country,"
FBI Director Louis Freeh - testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime on June 5, 1997.

74 posted on 07/02/2002 4:49:49 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Noumenon
Explosives rocked FBI HQ in '87: Agency illegally stored foreign military devices

"What do you want, tears?"

"If there is going to be a Big Brother in the United States, it is going to be us. The FBI."
FBI Supervisory Special Agent Paul George - ZDNet News - April 5, 2000. Source

"Help is on the way".

Congressional investigators released a ``smoking gun'' 1965 memo yesterday showing FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover knew informant Vincent ``Jimmy The Bear'' Flemmi murdered seven men but still protected him from the electric chair and let four other men go to prison for one of the murders

FBI Knew Wrong Man Was Convicted Of Murder

The Associated Press
By Ralph Ranalli
Friday, December 22, 2000
Source

BOSTON -- Secret documents recently discovered in a Justice Department investigation of FBI corruption appear to show that the bureau knew that the wrong men were convicted of a 1965 gangland murder.

They also indicate that agents were told about the plot two days before it happened and apparently did nothing to stop it.

The reports, found at FBI headquarters in Washington, were turned over this week to lawyers for reputed Mafia associate Peter Limone, who has served 32 years in prison for the slaying of small-time hoodlum Edward "Teddy" Deegan.

They strongly suggest that the FBI's chief witness at the 1968 trial, legendary Boston hit man Joseph "The Animal" Barboza, framed Limone and several other men.

As Limone languished in prison for three decades, documents that might have proved his innocence sat in secret FBI informant files in Washington and were never turned over to the defense, attorney John Cavicchi said.

"This is a disgrace. If it weren't so tragic it would be laughable," said Cavicchi, who is handling Limone's bid to have his conviction overturned in Middlesex Superior Court.

Boston FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz declined comment.

The new documents also reveal for the first time that the brother of infamous gangster and FBI informant Stephen Flemmi was also successfully recruited as an FBI informant for five months in 1965 -- even though other informants were telling the bureau that he was responsible for numerous killings and that he had vowed to become Boston's "No. 1 hit man."

FBI evaluation reports of Vincent "Jimmy the Bear" Flemmi's potential usefulness as an FBI mole show the chilling lengths the FBI was willing to go to in its clandestine organized crime informant program.

Special Agent Dennis Condon, for example, wrote one 1964 report that an unnamed informant said Jimmy Flemmi had boasted about becoming Boston's most prolific full-time assassin.

"Flemmi told him (the informant) that all he wants to do now is kill people and that it is better than hitting banks," the report states. "Informant said Flemmi said that he feels he can now be the top hit man in this area and intends to be."

Another report said Flemmi was a suspect in the Deegan murder and several other killings, but that recruiting him as an informant was "worth the risk."

Even supporters of Limone and the other defendants, who claimed for years that they were the victims of an FBI frame-up, called the contents of the documents shocking.

Boston attorney Victor Garo, who represents Limone's co-defendant, Joseph Salvati, went as far as telling WBZ-TV, Channel 4, that the prosecution was an FBI "murder conspiracy" because the punishment for murder at the time was death in the electric chair.

Four of the defendants, including Limone and Salvati, actually received death sentences that were later changed to life.

The reports were turned over to Cavicchi, Garo and Suffolk County District Attorney Ralph Martin's office by Special U.S. Attorney John Durham, who for the past several years has been investigating corruption in the FBI's informant relationships with gangsters Stephen Flemmi and Whitey Bulger.

Durham could not be reached for comment.

One key report states that on March 10, 1965 -- two days before the murder -- an unidentified FBI informant told Special Agent H. Paul Rico that Flemmi was planning to kill Deegan and that the murder had the blessing of then-New England Mafia boss Raymond Patriarca.

"Informant advised that he had just heard from Jimmy Flemmi, and Flemmi told the informant that Raymond Patriarca has put out the word that Edward 'Teddy' Deegan is to be 'hit,' and that a dry run has already been made and that a close associate of Deegan's has agreed to set him up," Rico's report states.

One day after the murder, another informant told Rico that Flemmi, Barboza and three other men had committed the crime.

Neither Limone, Salvati nor two other co-defendants, top New England Mafia adviser Henry Tameleo and underworld figure Louis Greco, were mentioned.

The information was forwarded to FBI headquarters in Director J. Edgar Hoover's name, although there is no indication Hoover himself actually saw it.

All four men were convicted. Tameleo and Greco died in prison, while Salvati's sentence was later commuted.

None of the information, Cavicchi said, was turned over to the defense in the case. Barboza, who was recruited as an FBI witness by Rico and Condon, was the key witness in the case and the only witness against Limone.

Privately, even law enforcement officials involved in the case were calling the new documents significant.

"You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that it's not trivial stuff," one official said.


Boston FBI Office - Reed Irvine
"William Safire says that the Justice Department induced President Bush to claim executive privilege in refusing to give the House Government Reform Committee documents relating to crimes sanctioned and even committed by FBI agents based in Boston. Among the examples he cites are granting a mobster on the FBI payroll immunity for 10 murders he is charged with committing and knowingly keeping an innocent man in prison for 30 years to protect FBI sources in the Mafia. He quotes James Wilson, the chief counsel of the House Government Reform Committee, as labeling the abuse of power by the FBI’s Boston field office as "the greatest failing in law enforcement history."

That might be exceeded if the Bush claim of executive privilege to keep the committee from exposing who was responsible for the criminality that pervaded the Boston office succeeds. It is argued that revealing who made the decisions and why they made them would not be in the public interest because it would deter federal employees from giving their best advice to their superiors.

Just the opposite is true. If Ashcroft’s effort to extend executive privilege to federal employees at all levels succeeds, forget about Congressional oversight deterring misconduct and abuse of power in the executive branch. Why is this born-again Christian doing this? Here’s a possible clue. His handpicked FBI director, Robert Mueller, served in the U.S. attorney’s office in Boston in the 1980s, rising to the top job. A veteran FBI agent says the U.S. Attorney must have known about the corruption in the FBI Boston field office."

FBI Chief Mueller Expresses Support For Muslim Group

76 posted on 07/02/2002 6:22:04 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill; Askel5
Uncle Bill bump.
77 posted on 07/02/2002 6:52:30 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
LOL!

Nice try.

78 posted on 07/02/2002 6:54:21 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: Uncle Bill; _Jim; Jim Robinson; sneakypete; Cap'n Crunch; harpseal; Travis McGee; Lazamataz; ...
FBI Knew Wrong Man Was Convicted Of Murder

The Associated Press
By Ralph Ranalli
Friday, December 22, 2000
Source

BOSTON -- Secret documents recently discovered in a Justice Department investigation of FBI corruption appear to show that the bureau knew that the wrong men were convicted of a 1965 gangland murder.

They also indicate that agents were told about the plot two days before it happened and apparently did nothing to stop it.

The reports, found at FBI headquarters in Washington, were turned over this week to lawyers for reputed Mafia associate Peter Limone, who has served 32 years in prison for the slaying of small-time hoodlum Edward "Teddy" Deegan.

They strongly suggest that the FBI's chief witness at the 1968 trial, legendary Boston hit man Joseph "The Animal" Barboza, framed Limone and several other men.

As Limone languished in prison for three decades, documents that might have proved his innocence sat in secret FBI informant files in Washington and were never turned over to the defense, attorney John Cavicchi said.

"This is a disgrace. If it weren't so tragic it would be laughable," said Cavicchi, who is handling Limone's bid to have his conviction overturned in Middlesex Superior Court.

Boston FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz declined comment.

The new documents also reveal for the first time that the brother of infamous gangster and FBI informant Stephen Flemmi was also successfully recruited as an FBI informant for five months in 1965 -- even though other informants were telling the bureau that he was responsible for numerous killings and that he had vowed to become Boston's "No. 1 hit man."

FBI evaluation reports of Vincent "Jimmy the Bear" Flemmi's potential usefulness as an FBI mole show the chilling lengths the FBI was willing to go to in its clandestine organized crime informant program.

Special Agent Dennis Condon, for example, wrote one 1964 report that an unnamed informant said Jimmy Flemmi had boasted about becoming Boston's most prolific full-time assassin.

"Flemmi told him (the informant) that all he wants to do now is kill people and that it is better than hitting banks," the report states. "Informant said Flemmi said that he feels he can now be the top hit man in this area and intends to be."

Another report said Flemmi was a suspect in the Deegan murder and several other killings, but that recruiting him as an informant was "worth the risk."

Even supporters of Limone and the other defendants, who claimed for years that they were the victims of an FBI frame-up, called the contents of the documents shocking.

Boston attorney Victor Garo, who represents Limone's co-defendant, Joseph Salvati, went as far as telling WBZ-TV, Channel 4, that the prosecution was an FBI "murder conspiracy" because the punishment for murder at the time was death in the electric chair.

Four of the defendants, including Limone and Salvati, actually received death sentences that were later changed to life.

OK, here goes...

Jim Robinson, you know me. I've been here since '98 and you eloquently, if not harshly, educated me on my skewed view on asset forfeiture. My vulgar understanding was a direct result of my law enforcement experience. That is my bona fides with respect to my following statements regarding this news article and the tragedy that occurred in Anne Arundel County, Maryland.

Cap'n - you've done felony stops - correct me if I get something wrong.

_Jim - once and for all, I'm going to force you to take a position regarding the FBI.

___

Here goes - I'd hoped the local grand jury would incict this agent. Just discussed this with another attorney today as a matter of fact. Bottom line, he violated every ounce of training by approaching the vehicle from the front. He put himself in the position that a move to unlock the belt buckle would be a "furtive move" that allowed deadly force. Felony stop procedures attempt to elimate such mistakes. By bypassing those trained responses he put himself outside a good faith exception for his actions.

Every ounce of my law enforcement leanings screams out against such statements - but then again, I have sworn oaths to protect, preserve and defend the Constitution - which means I must acknowledge, preserve and defend the rights of every individual until proven guilty in a Court of Law. I cannot acquiese to this travesty of justice.

By violating training this agent placed himself outside the body of law that revolves around police officers who are engaged in lawful activities. He intended to shoot this individual because he was in fear. He was in fear because he put himself in an exposed position due to his misconduct - therefore he is, at the minimum, exposed to a second degree murder; and or involuntary manslaughter charge under MD law. He intentionally attempted to kill another human being without lawful justification due to a mistake of fact directly attributable to his mistakes.

Prosecutors routinely indict individuals in front of Grand Jurys - I support the concept for a number of reasons. None of those reasons apply here...But the biggest knock against Grand Jurys by the defense bar is that a prosecutor can incdict an english muffin for the rape of mother teresa - and an indictment does NOT equal a conviction - without the defendant being allowed by rules of procedure to put on evidence. Here we have the reverse - a prosecutor put on less than enough evidence to indict this agent. The attorney for the victim is not allowed to put on evidence - nor proffer any questions to any witness. No wonder no indictment was issued.

_Jim - I flagged you, you @sshole government shill, because you always duck the questions posed to you regarding the FBI. Here is a cite from a major news outlet regarding documented misconduct by the FBI. Miscondcut I regularly cite when you defend them. They allowed an innocent man to languish in jail for over thirty years. A man they KNEW to be innocent. Where was their oath they swore to the Constitution? Are you still willing to take them at face value and will you defend the FBI in this shoot? If so, document how many felony stops you've conducted (I've conducted over 20) and how many times you've drawn your service weapon while on or off duty (I've drawn mine over one hundred times, never fired it even though I would have been absolutely justified on at least four seperate times that I can recall right now); how much training and experience as a police officer you have. (I have over 7.5 years LE experience, and am a licensed attorney)

This case is a travesty of F#ck Ups - and that doesn't excuse this agent from shooting an innocent man for obeying shouted orders.

I truly believe that if we do not hold the Feds accountable for their misconduct ( as they hold local law enforcement accountable) then we have lost any check or balance we thought we had over those appointed by the Executive Branch to "protect us" - for anyone that reads this, think upon the unintended consequences of allowing the Feds to kill at will without fear of accountablilty.

79 posted on 07/02/2002 7:25:12 PM PDT by Abundy
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80 posted on 07/02/2002 7:27:13 PM PDT by Askel5
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