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Best Books - Non-fiction military (war story) - Freeper opinions wanted!

Posted on 07/05/2002 4:46:49 PM PDT by Enlightiator

I would like to hear freeper recommendations on military "war story" books. What are your favorites? I have read and highly recommend:

1. "The Last Battle, The Mayaguez Incident and the End of the Vietnam War", Ralph Wetterhahn. The best read ever on the rescue of the crew of the ship 'Mayaguez' from the Khmer Rouge shortly after the Vietnam War proper ended. An absolutely fascinating story, I could hardly put it down (even stopped reading Blackhawk Down to read this). Politics, incredible combat, honor and sacrifice, huge governmental and IMHO military leadership blunders. And astoundingly, the story and shock of discovery of three Marines unknowingly left behind on a small island off Cambodia as the evacuation helicopters flew away. I must warn that this is the worst edited book I have read, repetitions galore, incorrect indexes, etc, but the conviction of the author and the sheer power of the story overcame this for me.

2. "Ghost Soldiers", by Hampton Sides. A great story of WWII rescue of soldiers in the Phillipine POW camps, many of them survivors of the Bataan Death March. In prison for years, abandoned by their country and MacArthur (until he did "return" to Manila and the Philipines as promised), their stories of survival and finally rescue are amazing.

3. "Black Hawk Down", Mark Bowden. IMHO, the new standard of writing for war stories - fair, balanced, bluntly honest, and extremely well researched and documented. Going after the Mogadishu, Somalia warlord, success and tragedy, more failed leadership, hero's on the ground, and last but not least Clinton's wasting of the 18 (I think) lives lost by abandoning the whole effort and freeing the captured leadership of the warlord. Great read, but haven't seen the movie yet.

4. "Band of Brothers", by Stephen Ambrose. WWII, Easy company, 506th, 101st Airborn. Very good book.

5. "We were Soldiers Once..and Young", Lt. Gen. Harold Moore and Joe Galloway. The best book I have read to date on Vietnam, and overall, a great book.

----- Books I am considering buying, but would like freeper opinions of these and others:

"Flags of our Fathers" - by James Bradley, Ron Powers (WWII, Iwo Jima battle and raising of the flag).

"The Commandos: The Inside Story of Americas Secret Soldiers",by Douglas C. Waller

"Inside Delta Force: The Story of America's Elite Counterterrorist Unit", by Eric L. Haney


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To: Ancient_Pistoll
Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed kills by Charles Henderson

I browsed that one at Amazon before your post, now I may take a second look, thanks.

21 posted on 07/05/2002 5:33:09 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: PatrickHenry
Bat-21, We were Soldier Once and Young, Citizen Soldiers.
And yes Killer Angels, by Michael Shaara While is fiction is great, the chapter about little round top is one of the best things I've ever read.
22 posted on 07/05/2002 5:34:34 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Enlightiator
Dreadnaught
Guns of August
The Great Game
Winston Churchill (WWI & WWII)

23 posted on 07/05/2002 5:38:18 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Enlightiator
If you wish to read Military History start with this link and its recommendations.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/

24 posted on 07/05/2002 5:38:39 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: dts32041
great link, thanks dts.
26 posted on 07/05/2002 5:45:27 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: Enlightiator
Bump! I've put it on the Mn. page.
27 posted on 07/05/2002 5:45:38 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin
Disregard I'm an idiot!
28 posted on 07/05/2002 5:46:55 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Enlightiator
Semper Fi Mac

Goodbye Darkness

Both Marine histories in the Pacific WWII
29 posted on 07/05/2002 5:48:17 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Valin
... Killer Angels, by Michael Shaara While is fiction is great, the chapter about little round top is one of the best things I've ever read.

Fiction? Only in the sense that the author purports to get into Lee's head from time to time and tell us what he's thinking. I believe he used Lee's writings as a basis for such passages, and maybe the recollections written later by others. Some of the discussions about the soldiers' reasons for fighting are probably fiction, but based on the sort of things soldiers actually wrote in their letters. But all the facts of the battle, and all the military characters, are real. The description of Pickett's Charge is absolutely breathtaking.

30 posted on 07/05/2002 6:02:20 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Enlightiator
Morotai: A Memoir of War
by John S. Boeman

B-24 ops in the southwest pacific; no heroics, lots of routine bravery, not much sense of accomplishment and a fair amount of confusion. Remarkably like my own war a generation later.

31 posted on 07/05/2002 6:07:19 PM PDT by Grut
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To: PatrickHenry
I probably should have put "" marks around "fiction". It is called a novel and they are usually fiction. Have you read his follow up "The Last Full Measure"?
32 posted on 07/05/2002 6:11:52 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Enlightiator
I read that Neil Roberts's favorite book was TO THE LAST CAARTRIDE by Robert Barr Smit. I've tried to find it but neither bookstore nor the library has it.
33 posted on 07/05/2002 6:12:34 PM PDT by Dante3
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From a Dark Sky by Orr Kelly. The heroic tales of the USAF Air Commandos from their early days in WWII up to the Gulf War. CCT, PJs, Ravens, Carpetbaggers and other little known units are covered. OSS and CIA ops covered also.

CQB by Mike Curtis. Good read on the life of a SAS soldier. Covers Falklands War, the madness in Bosnia and Gulf War

The One That Got Away by Chris Ryan, Story of SAS Bravo Two Zero patrol in Gulf War that went on the run after being compromised while looking for SCUD launchers. Ryan was the only one to E&E out of Iraq to freedom. The others died or where captured. Ryan's E&E is the longest in SAS history and pretty incredible with half the countryside looking for him.

34 posted on 07/05/2002 6:13:34 PM PDT by spectr17
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To: Valin
Have you read his follow up "The Last Full Measure"?

Not yet. It's on my list.

35 posted on 07/05/2002 6:15:09 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Enlightiator
Great read, but haven't seen the movie yet

The book is still sitting on my desk where I quit at page 261.

The hell that those brave guys went through was too much for me. I wanted to do nasty things to the military and civilian pricks who let them down.

For that reason, I won't watch the movie or video-tape.

I trust we learned something useful from this incident but doubt it.

36 posted on 07/05/2002 6:17:45 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: Enlightiator
A couple of my recent reads (concentrating on the German-Russian War 1941-1945):

Ostfront: The German Defensive Battles on the Russian Front 1944 by Alex Buchner

With Our Backs to Berlin: The German Army in Retreat 1945 by Tony Le Tissier
37 posted on 07/05/2002 6:37:02 PM PDT by Lee_Atwater
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To: Enlightiator
"Enemy at the Gates" by William Craig 1973.

I first read it in 1979. I have never read anything as powerful before or since.

When I first heard that a movie was being made from it, I considered it a personal gift from the Gods. The movie is based on a few characters from one chapter of the book. As with most movies, justice to the book was not done.

The story of what Hitler did to the men of the 6th Army is a monument to the stupidity of hubris.

38 posted on 07/05/2002 6:58:43 PM PDT by muleboy
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To: clintonh8r; freedomson; johnboy; pa_dweller; balrog666; Valin; Mike Darancette; ...
Thanks for the great list of military books you are all making here! The books you listed like excellent reads, and I'm checking out some of the detailed reviews at Amazon for some of them.

JimVT, I understand! Black Hawk Down was a bit too graphic, and those few men had to have been in the most one sided firefights ever undertaken.
39 posted on 07/05/2002 7:48:24 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: PatrickHenry
Dittoes - have read this book several times. Always enjoy it.
40 posted on 07/05/2002 10:03:42 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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