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Mom: Daughter in Pledge Case Worships God
Fox News ^ | 7/11/02

Posted on 07/12/2002 10:15:55 AM PDT by marshmallow

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:08 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN FRANCISCO The California schoolgirl whose atheist father successfully sued to have the Pledge of Allegiance declared unconstitutional has no problem with reciting the pledge, her mother said Thursday.

"I was concerned that the American public would be led to believe that my daughter is an atheist or that she has been harmed by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, including the words 'one nation under God,"' said the mother, Sandra Banning, in a statement. "In our home we are practicing Christians and are active in our church."


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 9thcircuit; christians; newdow; pledge; pledgeofallegiance
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1 posted on 07/12/2002 10:15:55 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
I'm not surprised by this. The dad always seemed to squirm when asked about his daughter.
2 posted on 07/12/2002 10:20:57 AM PDT by sweet_diane
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To: marshmallow; Grampa Dave
Seems like the injured party is the girl ... but not by the pledge in the least ... by THE FATHER!

He should be sued and the case dropped and set aside forthwith. There NEVER WAS A CASE.

You can bet these Judges knew this too. They are all activists against the principles and foundation this nation was established upon IMHO.

3 posted on 07/12/2002 10:22:15 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
So now the true snake in the woodpile surfaces. It appears to have the look of Newdow's "ME", striped green with greed and a few spots shaped like $....
4 posted on 07/12/2002 10:28:51 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Jeff Head
You bet these two rat judges knew this, well at least the one without senile dementia. The #2 hidden judge's wife is the lead ACLU Rat in California.

The man does not work and was bounced out of Floriduh for trying this bs. He is a pastor at a so called athetist church. Shouldn't that phoney church lose its tax exempt status for his involvement in politics and religion.

How much has the ACLU rats paid this guy to commit this act of child abuse on his daughter?

He is an abuser of his girl and uses her to advance his mentally insane agenda!
5 posted on 07/12/2002 10:29:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Wait a minute. He doesn't work? I thought he was an emergency room doc?
6 posted on 07/12/2002 10:33:40 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: homeschool mama
I thought you'd be interested in the thread. Nednow is a lunatic.
7 posted on 07/12/2002 10:40:01 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: grlfrnd
Wait a minute. He doesn't work? I thought he was an emergency room doc?

Sure, he works...a guy like that works real hard at being obnoxious.

8 posted on 07/12/2002 10:43:18 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: marshmallow
Divorce no-no 101: Never put kids in the middle of a parental dispute.
9 posted on 07/12/2002 10:45:16 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Grampa Dave
He is a pastor at a so called athetist church.

I didn't know that!

10 posted on 07/12/2002 10:45:53 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: VRWC_minion
He and the mother of the child were never married.
11 posted on 07/12/2002 10:52:48 AM PDT by MattMa
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To: grlfrnd
He quit working so he could work on bringing this lawsuit.

What a piece of work.

12 posted on 07/12/2002 10:57:08 AM PDT by ThreeYearLurker
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To: MattMa
He and the mother of the child were never married.

Oh. Either way, the parents should never put the child in the middle.

13 posted on 07/12/2002 11:02:43 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: marshmallow
Newdow is a father who wants to be involved in his daughter's life. Whether the general public thinks he should be or not isn't the point. Newdow's atheism never stopped this mother from accepting child care payments.

Hmmm... Where are the Father's Rights people now? I guess "father's rights" only apply when the father believes in an imaginary omnipotent being, huh?
14 posted on 07/12/2002 11:07:17 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
I think you're mixing apples with oranges. He is involved in his daughter's life but this lawsuit has nothing to do with his daughter. He's using his daughter to further his own agenda. The lawsuit, as stated by Newdow, is just for his own purposes. Fathers should have rights with their children. This case has no bearing on Fathers Rights.
15 posted on 07/12/2002 11:11:55 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Tired of Taxes
Supporting a lier and someone who would use his daughter to further his personal agenda isn't going to help support fathers' rights one bit no matter what he believes.
16 posted on 07/12/2002 11:17:29 AM PDT by Smittie
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To: Tired of Taxes
Newdow is a father who wants to be involved in his daughter's life.

Is that why he doesn't live with her? Did he tell you this himself or are you simply surmising?

Whether the general public thinks he should be or not isn't the point. Newdow's atheism never stopped this mother from accepting child care payments.

Why should it? Even if she loathes the ground he walks on she has every right to demand he support the child he fathered.

Does Newdow's atheism prevent him from handling the filthy green stuff which proclaims "In God We Trust"? I think not.

Hmmm... Where are the Father's Rights people now?

Right here. I'm in favor of Father's Rights. I'm also in favor of "one nation under God"

I guess "father's rights" only apply when the father believes in an imaginary omnipotent being, huh?

Nobody is saying he didn't have a right to bring the lawsuit. He has a right, nay a duty to act in the child's best interests. It's just that nobody believes that this is his primary motivation.

17 posted on 07/12/2002 11:30:31 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Tired of Taxes
"Where are the Father's Rights people now?"

The man sired a kid, for sure. As a father, he fails miserably to qualify.

BTW, belief has very little or nothing to do with Newdow's financial responsibility to his daughter.

18 posted on 07/12/2002 11:42:50 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: grlfrnd; Smittie; marshmallow
Newdow wants to raise his daughter with an atheistic viewpoint. He said he doesn't want the gov't taking his tax money then using it to promote a religious view to his child in a "pledge" in public schools.

Whether or not his view or atheism itself appeals to anyone else isn't the point. The point is that Newdow is trying to have some say in his daughter's upbringing.

Here's what I read in an article yesterday that I can't find now:

The mother moved away with the daughter, and Newdow moved, too, so that he could be closer to his child.

In addition to constitutional law, he has also been studying family law which he says is unfair. In seeking custody for his daughter, he has been ordered to pay the mother's legal fees, too.

Though the mother is an "active Christian", that hasn't stopped her from accepting child care payments from atheist Newdow.

19 posted on 07/12/2002 11:43:31 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes; grlfrnd; Smittie; marshmallow
"Though the mother is an "active Christian", that hasn't stopped her from accepting child care payments from atheist Newdow."

Why should it stop her? His money still says "In God We Trust"....

20 posted on 07/12/2002 12:00:13 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Tired of Taxes
Your reasoning is simply not logical. I think what we have here is a freeper looking for a fight, and I won't do it.
21 posted on 07/12/2002 12:01:58 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Tired of Taxes
In its opinion, the 9th Circuit panel noted that Newdow asserted his daughter is injured when compelled to "watch and listen as her state-employed teacher in her state-run school leads her classmates in a ritual proclaiming that there is a God."

That doesn't appear to be the case. What say you?

22 posted on 07/12/2002 12:06:28 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: EggsAckley
I don't want a "fight". I'm just trying to inject alittle commonsense into all of the hysteria on this forum.

Suppose the tables were turned: Let's say an ATHEIST MOTHER moved away with her daughter, and the CHRISTIAN FATHER followed her to be closer to his child. The Christian father makes child care payments, and, all the while, the atheist mother is fighting him in a custody battle.

Then the Christian father sues to keep his child out of a public school class promoting abortion, for example, saying it violates his daughter's religious beliefs. But the atheist mother disagrees.

Isn't it the father's right, too, to decide what his daughter learns? Of course it is! Fatherhood doesn't stop with the child care payments.

In this case, the mother is insisting the daughter is a "Christian", but the mother isn't the only person who gets to decide how to raise the child. If this mother didn't want her daughter to be raised with an atheistic influence, she should've chosen another man to father her child!

And that is the whole crux of the issue. Both the mother AND father decide how to raise the daughter, whether the general public likes it or not.
23 posted on 07/12/2002 12:13:07 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Though the mother is an "active Christian", that hasn't stopped her from accepting child care payments from atheist Newdow.

Why should her Christianity stop her from accepting payment? This guy sired the child. He should be paying! Mom is raising her. Sire is trying to use her. Hope Mom is successful in protecting daughter from the junk this man is spewing her way.

24 posted on 07/12/2002 12:14:50 PM PDT by twigs
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To: Tired of Taxes
He said he doesn't want the gov't taking his tax money then using it to promote a religious view to his child in a "pledge" in public schools.

Mom: The California schoolgirl whose atheist father successfully sued to have the Pledge of Allegiance declared unconstitutional has no problem with reciting the pledge, her mother said Thursday.

He says lots of things: The San Francisco court based its June 26 ruling in part on Newdow's claim that the girl was "injured" by being forced to listen to others recite the pledge at the Elk Grove Unified School District.

"This is MY issue. I have a right to send my child to a public school without the government inculcating any religious beliefs. I'm saying I'M injured," he said.

Courts can only hear cases in which there is an injured party, and if there is no injury there is no grounds for a case, said Rory Little, a Hastings College of the Law professor who follows the 9th Circuit.

He gets busted on the fact that his daughter hasn't been injured by anyone other than himself; now it's time to backpedal and claim that he is the injured party.

Newdow said that taking an 8-year-old to church doesn't mean the girl is choosing to be religious — and at any rate, it doesn't matter what the child believes.

"The main thrust of this case is not my daughter, it's me.

.....and now it's, "So what if she really never was injured? It's always been about me".

In its opinion, the 9th Circuit panel noted that Newdow asserted perjured that his daughter is injured when compelled to "watch and listen as her state-employed teacher in her state-run school leads her classmates in a ritual proclaiming that there is a God."

She hasn't been injured.

25 posted on 07/12/2002 12:15:52 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Tired of Taxes
In this case, the mother is insisting the daughter is a "Christian", but the mother isn't the only person who gets to decide how to raise the child. If this mother didn't want her daughter to be raised with an atheistic influence, she should've chosen another man to father her child!

What you say is true. This mom will have her hands full, but the sire does have a right to be part of the decisions. He sounds very unstable though and is willing to use his daughter for his own ends. I'm sure this Mom has wished many times that she had found a better father for her child. However, I'm sure that that was not foremost on her mind at the time.

26 posted on 07/12/2002 12:18:13 PM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs
Would you please read my other post, too? This man didn't just "sire" a child. Apparently, he wants to be involved in her life, and the mother is unwilling. Doesn't matter if anyone else disagrees with his views; the fact is that she slept with the man, became pregnant, and now Newdow, as a father, has a right to influence how his child should be raised, too.
27 posted on 07/12/2002 12:20:47 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: twigs
Oops... I replied too quickly. You have now read the other post. I need to wrench myself away from the computer now...
28 posted on 07/12/2002 12:22:48 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Newdow says he decided not to marry the mother because he wasn't "in love" with her, although that didn't stop him from sleeping with her. Sorry, but in my view a man who doesn't want to fulfill his responsibility to provide a home and an intact family for his child doesn't get all the rights of a true father. BTW, he's a loon.
29 posted on 07/12/2002 12:29:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Tired of Taxes
From another article:

Newdow denied an Associated Press report that he is raising the girl as an atheist, adding that he reads her Bible stories.

"I want her to know her mother is Christian, and I want her to know I'm atheist, and I want her to decide as she gets older what makes sense. ... I read her Bible stories and say, 'does this make sense to you? Do you believe some guy was able to go all over the Earth and get every two animals from polar bears and marine iguanas ... and tigers and put them all on one boat? Sounds pretty incredible to me. You can decide for yourself.'"

This guy is a walking contradiction. Read the above , Tired of Taxes, and tell me what you see........

........He's not raising her to be an atheist, he just mocks the Bible to his impressionable eight year old.

30 posted on 07/12/2002 12:29:11 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Tired of Taxes
Here's more:

Newdow tells WND he's girding for a bigger battle against the government over family law, which he complains is rife with constitutional violations and "destroys families and injures children." His ire over the family court system has been raised through the custody battle in which he and Banning are embroiled over their daughter, who splits her time between the two homes.

Your boy is a manipulative little twit who doesn't care squat about his daughter, the pledge, etc...........he has another goal in mind.

31 posted on 07/12/2002 12:36:04 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Tired of Taxes
I need to wrench myself away from the computer now...

Me too. Tell you what..........kindly ping me when you get back. I have a theory I would like to share with you. See what you think, you know?

32 posted on 07/12/2002 12:37:30 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Tired of Taxes
Come on! The only reason Newdow "wants" part in his daughter's life is because he probably thinks his child-support payments buys him "rights" and obligates the mother and child to him - whether his influence on the child is constructive or not. He probably hopes the assertions he has made would serve to eventually free him from his C.S. payments if he "ribbs" them long enough and embarasses them badly enough. Remember - his not working = struggle to pay.

He is a lawyer - probably one of those who would use any trick in the book to free themself of a binding legal obligation.
MONEY is motive when you can't stand on principles.
33 posted on 07/12/2002 12:39:29 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Newdow:

"I will muster the liberal ACLU types, and also disgruntled fathers fed up with the court system everywhere. We will advance under the cover of my daughter, so what if she takes a few bullets. This is about me. Chaaaaaaarge!!!

34 posted on 07/12/2002 12:40:49 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: marshmallow
So this case was based on a fraudulent premise, just like Roe v. Wade.
35 posted on 07/12/2002 12:41:05 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: He Rides A White Horse
*** "This guy is a walking contradiction. Read the above , Tired of Taxes, and tell me what you see........
........He's not raising her to be an atheist, he just mocks the Bible to his impressionable eight year old." ***


Well, he certainly doesn't fit my view of an "atheist". An atheist doesn't call himself "Reverend" and then establish a church.

However, like Newdow, I, as an atheist, also discuss religious stories and so on openly with at least my oldest child (the others are still too young to comprehend it all). That is, I want my children to decide on their own, as long as they reach their conclusions through careful thought and consideration (which, of course, would lead to my view. =) ). I think most atheists do the same.
36 posted on 07/12/2002 12:41:16 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Newdow:

"Oh, by the way, if I hadn't mentioned it before, the target is Ms Banning. It always was."

37 posted on 07/12/2002 12:42:12 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: azhenfud
Actually, he wants custody of the girl. At least, that's what I read and cannot find anywhere....

Still haven't wrenched myself away from this computer... Hmmm... can I do it this time? Trying...to...pull...myself...away...
38 posted on 07/12/2002 12:45:43 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
I know - I do that all the time too...

I still believe he only wants to curtail his C.S. payments.
We'd probably see him fade away if the money obligation vanished...

Regards,
Az
39 posted on 07/12/2002 12:48:08 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Tired of Taxes
The fact of the matter is that the man LIED in order to advance his case. What type of man LIES about his child to the court in order to advance his own agenda?
40 posted on 07/12/2002 12:48:54 PM PDT by constitutiongirl
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To: constitutiongirl
"What type of man LIES about his child to the court in order to advance his own agenda?"

I don't know, but his initials are: "Michael Newdow"

41 posted on 07/12/2002 12:54:47 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: kcvl
Yeah, he is the pastor of Unitarian Athesist Church. I'm not sure of the name.

I think that Sean Hannity had that data. It was posted here after the fecal matter hit the windshields from this decision.
42 posted on 07/12/2002 1:26:34 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: grlfrnd
My wife is in the health field. The day after this fecal storm hit, one of her doctor friends said that this guy apparently did not practice medicine in the state of California.

Then, she heard this on Fox and I'm sure that it was posted here during that week.

Maybe someone will either correct me of affirm that he is not a practicing MD in California.

43 posted on 07/12/2002 1:32:01 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: kcvl; All
Here is some data about this creep and his first attempt in Floriduh to bring this about.(Link to article on Creep!)

Here is the part of him being a minister:

Newdow says his pledge fight -- unlike AU's strategic battles -- is essentially personal. The act of 1954 infringes on his own religious freedom, he claims. He's a minister of atheism, ordained by the Universal Life Church, a controversial California entity that has ordained millions of ministers of all stripes and beliefs at the mere asking. Newdow says he'll be opening his church, the First Amendment Church of True Science (FACTS), soon, likely on the Internet. Atheists, he argues, shouldn't have to pledge to a God in whom they don't believe. He compares his refusal to that expected of Christians, who would surely refuse to pledge allegiance to "one nation under Allah." Atheists, he says, are among the last groups in the U.S. that are fair game for hatred and discrimination. (At least six states still have laws barring atheists -- who make up between 4 and 13 percent of the U.S. population -- from holding public office.)

44 posted on 07/12/2002 1:47:11 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Tired of Taxes
That is, I want my children to decide on their own, as long as they reach their conclusions through careful thought and consideration (which, of course, would lead to my view. =)

FWIW, my wifes dad brought up her and her siblings in atheistic environment. Mom was nuetral. She learned the gospel while singing in the musical Godspell and accepted Christ 4 years later at age 24. About 12 years after that her sister and her sisters children accepted Christ largely by the influence of my wife and 14 years later her mother accepted Christ.

All of them wish they knew about God's love earlier and wish their father had taught the about it.

45 posted on 07/12/2002 2:04:32 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: tuibguy
ping

If you haven't already seen, I thought you might be interested in more info about your hero Newdow.
46 posted on 07/12/2002 3:20:58 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Utah Girl
I thought you'd be interested in the thread. Nednow is a lunatic.

Why ascribe to lunacy that which can more easily be pinned on plain old holier-than-thou arrogance? (No pun intended.)

47 posted on 07/12/2002 3:25:10 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Grampa Dave
No doubt, Newdoubt is a doozie - but those Circuit 9 injustices are worse.....
48 posted on 07/12/2002 5:06:50 PM PDT by azhenfud
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To: marshmallow
If there's no injured party, how can there be a lawsuit? Did Dada perjure himself, perhaps?
49 posted on 07/12/2002 6:19:55 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: VRWC_minion
All of them wish they knew about God's love earlier and wish their father had taught the about it.

I was raised as a strict Catholic, and then I became an atheist later. My husband was raised very closely involved with his Presbyterian Church, and now he's an agnostic. It seems that people often go their own route.

If you're religious, you ought to be happy to see families like ours raising our children in an atheist/agnostic environment. My sons will probably turn out to be priests. ;)

50 posted on 07/12/2002 9:08:44 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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