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Could Mr. Right be white? [Black women choosing white men]
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 7/13/2

Posted on 07/13/2002 4:41:51 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker

"No, she didn't. . . ."

Natasha Bailey hears the whispered scorn. She spots the dirty looks on the streets. She listens to the lectures from her friends.

The 23-year-old Bailey is an ebony-hued woman with dreads, a baby doll voice and a love of African culture so strong that she joined a West African rites of passage society.

But she's a traitor to some because she's dating Jason Walker, a 22-year-old white man. How could she, her friends ask, given how white men have treated black people.

"I'm the first one to say, OK, let's look at the history," the Atlanta resident says. "But to take that and put that on a person that's right here and now, I can't do that. That's unfair to that person. I judge them as they come."

Bailey represents a quiet revolution taking place among some black women. For years, they've complained about the shortage of eligible black men. Now they're no longer content to vent on "Oprah." If Mr. Right happens to be white, more are willing to cross the color line.

"I'm not going to sit on a porch in a rocking chair, all alone at 80 years old because of color," says Wanda Dunn, a 37-year-old Stone Mountain Web designer. "I don't see it as a turning away from black men but as expanding my options."

When it comes to interracial dating, people have traditionally focused on the taboo nature of black men dating white women. Yet statistics show that more black women are becoming involved with white men.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the number of black female/white male marriages remained relatively static between 1960 and 1980, increasing from 26,000 to 27,000. But by 2000, the number had jumped to 80,000.

Images of black women pairing with white men are now common in popular culture as well. Commercials and music videos are full of such couples. Halle Berry recently won an Oscar for her controversial role in "Monster's Ball," a film in which she plays a waitress who becomes involved with a white man. Berry also played the girlfriend of a white man in another film, "Swordfish." And Angela Basset played the girlfriend of Robert De Niro in "The Score."

Changing the script

The reasons driving black women to flip the dating script are varied. Some of it is simple exposure. Social divisions along color lines remain, but they aren't as rigid. Black women find themselves more in contact with white men in school, at the office and in social settings.

Janice Flowers is the Atlanta coordinator with Pre-Dating Events, a national company that schedules mixers for professionals. She says more black women are telling her that they're willing to date white men.

"Because we're so used to seeing them in social situations, it's becoming less of a taboo," she says.

The reason most often cited, though, for the change in dating attitudes is demographics. A disproportionate number of black men are in jail, or are murder victims. One in every 20 black men older than 18 is in prison, the 2000 Human Rights Watch report concluded. Black teenage males are seven times more likely to be murdered than white teenage males, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.

The result is that black women face a marriage squeeze. According to the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington, the percentage of black women who are married declined from 62 percent in 1950 to 36 percent in 2000.

Melanie Robinson, 29, says many black men know the numbers favor them so they have less incentive to treat a black woman well.

"They have their options, so they can pick and choose," the Marietta resident says. "I've just found that there is a lack of appreciation of black women in Atlanta. We come a dime a dozen here."

Robinson, who has dated three white men, says they're more romantic and willing to go on dates like walking in the park or visiting a museum.

"I haven't found any black men trying to take me to the museum," she says. "I wish they would make an effort other than, 'Let's go and have a drink' or 'Let's go to the Red Lobster for all-you-can-eat crab legs on Monday.' "

Another complaint about black men involves insecurity. Black beauty-shop conversations ring with the same complaints from black women who say many black men can't handle an independent, professional black woman who often has more formal education than they do.

At least 60 percent of blacks who get awarded college degrees are women, according to the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education.

Flowers, the Atlanta coordinator with Pre-Dating Events, says a black man backed out of a relationship with her after she purchased a home and he learned that she had a college degree, something he had not earned.

"He said I didn't need him," she says. "It blew me away. I never could get him to see that [his lack of a college degree] was not a hindrance to me."

Black men have traditionally shrugged off these criticisms from black women, saying they are too demanding or obsessed with status and money.

"Even though the numbers may be in Atlanta men's favor, that doesn't make black women in Atlanta any less choosy," says Keith Aikens, a 36-year-old single black man. "Men still have to do a lot to prove themselves worthy."

Aikens, of College Park, says he sympathizes with black women who complain black men don't take them on cultural outings, such as to a museum.

"On the other hand," he says, "how many women are suggesting a museum instead of simply giving in and moving on to the next guy?"

Not an easy road

Once black women begin dating white men, though, hurdles remain. Many of them are internal.

Some wonder if a white man can really understand them, and the effects of racism. Will they draw a blank stare at the first mention of P-funk, nappy hair and playing the dozens?

Bailey has sifted through those fears with Walker and concluded they're overrated. She's had in-depth discussions about slavery, the light skin vs. dark skin caste system among blacks -- all with Walker, a white man.

"I've dated a lot of black men and they don't understand me, either," says Bailey, who is a published writer and a temp worker. "It's all about what you've read, what you've studied. I've dated people who have no understanding of the Middle Passage, colorism, any sort of understanding of the black experience. And they were black."

Sometimes, Bailey added, the fact that a white man is an outsider can be an asset. Often black men succumb to European ideas of beauty, but not her boyfriend. Once, she says, Walker turned to her while she was reading and said, "Your hair looks so beautiful."

"He pierced through my fears and my issues that have to do with blackness," she says. "From my past dealings with brothers, Jason has been more willing and open to see that I am beautiful as is."

Despite the harassment they sometimes get, Bailey says most people don't give her a problem when she accompanies her boyfriend in public.

"We'll get an occasional nasty look, but for the next two looks we get like that, we get a lot of those, 'Oh, look, a happy couple,' " Bailey says.

Yet Robinson, the Marietta resident, voices a fear that black women often have with dating white men. They wonder if white men's interest in dating is driven by sexual curiosity.

"White guys find us exotic," she says. "They want to know how we [have sex], but they aren't going to take us home."

Bailey, however, doesn't worry about those sexual stereotypes driving her relationship with Walker.

"The gist of it is, if we remove sex, we still work," she says about their relationship.

Walker, a computer programmer, says that dating a black woman has made him more sensitive. He often attends reggae clubs with Bailey where he is the only white person in the room.

"It's different being the odd man out," he says. "Actually, what goes through my mind is, I wonder if that's what it's like for her being on the other side of the table."

Even after black women have taken the big step and married a white man, some still wrestle with a residue of guilt. Nicole Smith, a Los Angeles actress, has been married to a white man since 1999. She and her husband, Geoff Cunningham, made a movie about interracial dating, "Rocky Road."

Smith says her sister threatened to never speak to her again after she heard about the marriage. Now her sister has changed after seeing how well her marriage works.

"My sister said that she dreams of having a relationship like ours," Smith says. "That was huge."

Still, Smith sometimes questions if she's being true to her black identity. "I question how much of a conscious black woman I am," she says. "I always keep that dialogue going."

Bailey doesn't appear to have those questions now. She's in love. She says she's decided that compatibility, not color, is what's ultimately important in her relationship.

"I've always understood that you can love your heritage and live your heritage," she says. "But that doesn't mean you close off the rest of the world, especially when you're dealing with matters of love."


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To: NativeNewYorker
At least 60 percent of blacks who get awarded college degrees are women, according to the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education.
. . . and most women want to marry UP. This situation just doesn't compute very well.

21 posted on 07/13/2002 5:56:19 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: NativeNewYorker
Kevin Costner & Whitney Houston in The Bodyguard comes of age.
22 posted on 07/13/2002 5:58:37 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: NativeNewYorker
When 'Minister' Farakhan was in Dallas a couple of years ago, he orated before a crowd of 4,000 brothas, that if every black man mated with a white women, the white race would go away. They roared with joy.

My thoughts were who would be left to do the work.

23 posted on 07/13/2002 6:13:57 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: SamAdams76
Yep. Condi's not too bad looking.

(She's just gotta work a bit on those Star Trek forehead worry wrinkles a bit!) ;-)

24 posted on 07/13/2002 6:19:42 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: billhilly
I've dated people who have no understanding of the Middle Passage, colorism, any sort of understanding of the black experience.

I had the same reaction you did.

This must be some public school twaddle they shovel into black kids' heads to make sure they never EVER vote GOP.

25 posted on 07/13/2002 6:26:54 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
College/govt/hi-tech towns are different.

One thing I noticed growing up in NY is that you see very very few inter-racial couples in the more proletarian "outer boroughs". But they're very common in cosmopolitan Manhattan.

Good bet dating couples from around the city come into Manhattan for a change of scenery, and perhaps to escape stares and barbs.

26 posted on 07/13/2002 6:30:57 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
most women want to marry UP. This situation just doesn't compute very well.

If the population of unthreatened, educated males is mostly white, it makes perfect sense for black women to cross the color line.

27 posted on 07/13/2002 6:33:09 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: NativeNewYorker
I judge them as they come."

Her attitude is one that ALL of us should embrace.

28 posted on 07/13/2002 6:36:33 PM PDT by JimRed
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To: NativeNewYorker
College/govt/hi-tech towns are different.

That's very true, and Austin is all three in one. We've never felt out of place here, while we have felt stared-at in other places.

I found this comment from the article to be especially true:

compatibility, not color, is what's ultimately important in her relationship.

Despite the fact that my wife grew up black in San Antonio and I grew up white in Northern Michigan, we both came from working/lower-middle class families. The differences between us were much fewer than the attitudes and beliefs we have in common.

30 posted on 07/13/2002 7:27:21 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
...and the mixing/churning of US society makes happy pairings such as yours increasingly likely as time passes.
31 posted on 07/13/2002 7:34:01 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: the_right_way
Now that you mention it, blondes are disproportionately represented in black male/white female pairs I've seen.

Can't comment on hair dye, tho.

32 posted on 07/13/2002 7:35:47 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: the_right_way
 
Has anyone else noticed that more often than not,
white women that date black men have bleached blonde hair?

Now that you mention it, I can't think of any that
were not bleached blonde.  I guess the black guy
wants white on white, eh?

33 posted on 07/13/2002 7:39:13 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: NativeNewYorker
"Still, Smith sometimes questions if she's being true to her black identity. "

I understand this statement. I'm not in an interracial relationship because i want to be true to my white identity. I know some nice black wemon, but i don't think i'd ever hook up with any of them. I realize i'm unique in wanting to preserve my heritage and history, which includes passing the genes down. Am i a racist for this stance? well, i think of myself as more of a culture preservationist. This is just my own personal standard, and i realize alot of people don't feel this way, so i respect thier choice. My brother is married to a black woman, and we all get along great!
34 posted on 07/13/2002 7:52:24 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: sonofron
". I'm not in an interracial relationship because i want to be true to my white identity."

i think this would have made more sense if it went, " I'm not in a same race relationship because...."

duh!
36 posted on 07/13/2002 7:56:19 PM PDT by sonofron
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To: sonofron
I understood you the first time. The second, I don't.
37 posted on 07/13/2002 8:02:09 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: NativeNewYorker
the mixing/churning of US society makes happy pairings such as yours increasingly likely as time passes.

Well, more interracial pairings, anyway. The happiness level will, as always, depend on the individuals involved.

The growth in the number of interracial couples has been going on for a while... the 2000 census was the first to allow multiracial listings, and a surprisingly large number of people chose to list themselves using those categories.

38 posted on 07/13/2002 8:08:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: NativeNewYorker
"White guys find us exotic," she says. "They want to know how we [have sex], but they aren't going to take us home."

"I judge them as they come."

If the former is true how can she do the latter?

39 posted on 07/13/2002 8:27:40 PM PDT by Lincoln
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To: sonofron
Ultimately, my wife and I decided we had more in common culturally than we had differences. We were both American, after all.

i realize alot of people don't feel this way, so i respect thier choice.

If only more people shared this attitude, the world would be a happier place.

40 posted on 07/13/2002 8:38:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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