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NASA Discovers 'Motorway' Network Between Planets
Ananova ^ | 7-18-2002

Posted on 07/18/2002 4:13:04 PM PDT by blam

Nasa discovers 'motorway' network between planets

Nasa says an interplanetary superhighway discovered by one of its engineers will make space travel simpler.

The solar system 'motorway' is a virtual network of winding tunnels and channels around the Sun and planets.

Each planet and moon has five locations in space called Lagrange points, where one body's gravity balances another. Spacecraft can orbit at those points while burning little fuel.

He came up with the superhighway by mapping out all the possible flight paths among the Lagrange points to see how fast or slow the spacecraft would travel.

Experts say the superhighway flight path will drastically cut the amount of fuel needed for future missions.

Nasa hopes to use the system for future human space missions by building spacecraft docking and repair platforms around the Lagrange points.

The system was discovered by Nasa Jet Propulsion Laboratory engineer Martin Lo.

He's using the theory to draw up a flight path for the Genesis Sun probe and plans to map out a superhighway for the entire solar system.

Mr Lo told the Nasa website: "Designing the Genesis spacecraft's flight path with traditional methods used to take eight weeks - now we design a new flight path in less than a day.

"The savings on fuel translates into a better and cheaper mission."

Story filed: 11:30 Thursday 18th July 2002


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gegenschein; motorway; nasa; network; planets; space
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To: VadeRetro
Read on. You're right about three, wrong about two.

Yeah, I saw.....

So, I claim I was 60% right. (THat's what I get for going for a conclusion without ever having looked at the calculation.)

But I'll amend my comment in this way: I would think that the two stable Lagrange points are small islands of dynamic stability embedded in a larger island of dynamic instability. So, I still doubt there will be much space flotsam there....

101 posted on 07/18/2002 8:15:19 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
How much fuel does it take to travel in an orbit? I assume this is yet another example of idiotic journalism.

Once you get to one of the two dynamically stable Lagrange points, it shouldn't take any fuel to stay there, but at the other three, which are dynamically unstable, it would require occasional small maneuvering thruster burns to null out the effects of pertubations, which would otherwise cause the spacecraft to drift out of the unstable equilibrium.

At least I think that's the case....

102 posted on 07/18/2002 8:21:17 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
How much fuel does it take to travel in an orbit?

It depends upon where the orbit is. Orbiting anywhere other than a Lagrange point is unstable and the orbit will decay without using fuel to stay in place. Think about all the space stations that have crashed.

103 posted on 07/18/2002 8:21:40 PM PDT by altair
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To: longshadow
So, I still doubt there will be much space flotsam there....

I don't know. I'm an ex-JPLer but a programmer not a rocket scientist. I recall reading a science fiction story that used that idea as a plot twist. The space ship in the story was accidentally sent through a Lagrange point and the ship suddenly started getting pummeled with junk until they changed course to avoid it. The moral being what you don't know can kill you.

My guess is that there would be garbage there, the same as Jupiter captured asteroids as moons, but I'm neither a rocket scientist nor a mathematician.

104 posted on 07/18/2002 8:30:35 PM PDT by altair
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To: altair; RadioAstronomer
My guess is that there would be garbage there, the same as Jupiter captured asteroids as moons, but I'm neither a rocket scientist nor a mathematician.

And I haven't seen the calculations, so I'm just going with a gut impression; I trust others who know for sure will be able to fill us in....

105 posted on 07/18/2002 8:49:09 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Just another Joe
42! wasnt that the answer to life, the universe, and everything? It has been working for me so far.
106 posted on 07/18/2002 9:02:42 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: altair; All
everything that anyone ever wanted to know about Lagrange points but was afraid to ask:

http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/LagrangePoints.html

enjoy!
107 posted on 07/18/2002 9:06:43 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: petuniasevan
I'll buy what you related to me

Low gravity zones between planets -- but honestly don't these things cahnge minute to minute the planets are rotating what you may save in fuel economy you would loose as you had to keep place with your low gravity portal and the faster the planet moves the more impractical this sounds. Say for example we want to chart a flight to mercury it travels around the sun in 88 days I think how many rorations would it achieve before you arrived? 10 - 15 trying to stay in it's gravity well would not be possible at this time.

What then about Mars 2 years of flight I'm told to get there using the straightest route and compensating for orbit -- how would you in a two year flight in this highway?

In theory it may sound reasonable but the application is nott very practical sounding

I'll have to give this some more thought.

108 posted on 07/18/2002 9:06:47 PM PDT by Rocketman
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To: VadeRetro; altair
AH, I now can claim partial vindication:

from:

http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Lagrangian+Point

we find:

"In practice the stability of Lagrange points is not real, as there are more than three bodies in the universe. Additional gravitational pulls from elsewhere cause objects to move away from the point. The first three Langrangian points are stable only in the plane perpendicular to the line between the two bodies. This can be seen most easily by considering the L1 point. A test mass displaced perpendicularly from the central line would feel a force pulling it back towards the equilibrium point. This is because the lateral components of the two masses' gravity would add to produce this force, whereas the components along the axis between them would balance out. On the other hand, if an object located at the L1 point drifted closer to one of the masses, the gravitational attraction it felt from that mass would be greater, and it would be pulled closer. (The pattern is very similar to that of tidal forces.)"

"However, in the particular case of the L4 and L5 points, Coriolis forces begin to act on an object moving away from the point, and bend the object's path into a stable, [kidney bean]?-shaped (from the viewpoint of the smaller mass) orbit around the point. This arrangement is stable. In the Jupiter-Sun system several thousand asteroids, collectively referred to as Trojan asteroids, are in such orbits. Other bodies can be found in the Sun-Saturn, Sun-Mars, Jupiter-Jupiter Satellite, and Saturn-Saturn Satellite systems. There are no known large bodies in the Sun-Earth system's Trojan points, but clouds of dust surrounding the L4 and L5 points were discovered in the 1950s. Clouds of dust, fainter than the notouriously difficult gegenschein,
are also present in the L4 and L5 of the Earth-Luna system."

So, in summary, even the L4 and L5 points can't be truly stable, because there are more than three bodies exerting force. Lastly, an object at L4 or L5 subjected to a pertubation assumes a "orbit" around the Lagrange point that is stable, but it is NOT forced back into the original equilibrium location.
109 posted on 07/18/2002 9:33:23 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
How much fuel does it take to travel in an orbit?

The Algoresat, sitting in a warehouse and ready to fly on his inauguration day carries enough onboard fuel to stationkeep at L1 or is it L2 for several years. If they can stay inside a small radius, all that is needed is a puff of gas now and then. There are already a couple of satellites there, though, and I wonder if they can safely avoid each other or if it matters since they would hardly be moving relatively anyway. L4 and L5 wouldn't need any fuel at all, they will orbit forever.

110 posted on 07/18/2002 9:55:23 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: longshadow
Clouds of dust, fainter than the notouriously difficult gegenschein, are also present in the L4 and L5 of the Earth-Luna system."

I claim vindication as well -- there is garbage there. Thanks for the info.

111 posted on 07/18/2002 10:31:13 PM PDT by altair
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To: snopercod
Lots of stuff. In my post I was referring to something from a book called The Mote In God's Eye. This is a great book which I highly recommend.
112 posted on 07/19/2002 7:32:59 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: CaptRon
Powder..Patch..Ball Fire

The Mote in God's Eye... See there are a few of us...

113 posted on 07/19/2002 7:36:50 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: longshadow
I'm vindicated too because if everyone else is I'm not going to be the only one that isn't.
114 posted on 07/19/2002 12:07:38 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I'm vindicated too because if everyone else is I'm not going to be the only one that isn't.

Why not! Plenty to go around!

115 posted on 07/19/2002 2:26:05 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: VadeRetro; longshadow
Hey, I'm vindicated too - I was right all along about...whatever it is. And you can't prove otherwise. Mainly since this is my first post on the subject, but that's all over now...

So I was right all along. You guys just didn't know it..

116 posted on 07/19/2002 2:42:00 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re; VadeRetro; longshadow
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I suspect you're all wrong.
117 posted on 07/19/2002 2:46:02 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
SOHO is in one of the earth-sun points. Did you see the SOHO pictures of the solar flare?
118 posted on 07/19/2002 2:54:24 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Did you see the SOHO pictures of the solar flare?

No, and it was a really crappy night for trying to see auroras where I live. Oh, well! I did manage to see a little red flickering in the north some months ago when another big one went earthward.

119 posted on 07/19/2002 5:01:42 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: general_re
Mainly since this is my first post on the subject, but that's all over now...

So I was right all along. You guys just didn't know it..

Ah; one of those "vacuously true" scams...... pretty sneaky of you. You probably are hiding something behind the 1st Amendment, or the 2nd Law of Thermo, or something like that.

120 posted on 07/19/2002 5:32:16 PM PDT by longshadow
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