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VIGILANTE RIFLEMAN GETS 9 YEARS
New York post ^ | 7/20/02 | CLEMENTE LISI

Posted on 07/20/2002 1:06:37 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:07:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: kattracks
It is time for an experiment in the Bronx.

Continue current policy for one year. Count vehicle B & E's and thefts.

A year later try the new policy of total amnesty for anyone who can shoot car thieves or B & E perps in the act. (Of course publicize the policy widely.)

Gee, I wonder what would happen in this experiment...
21 posted on 07/20/2002 5:19:25 AM PDT by cgbg
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To: Movemout
Note also the slanted title of the article. "Vigilante Rifleman Gets Nine Years." Obviously, the writer is inferring how those nasty vigilantes took law in to their own hands, and went wild. Whereas the true history of vigilantes is that vigilantes would get together, clean up their town, then disband and go back to working for a living. This is not to say that vigilantes were not ruthless, however, the common modern interpretation is that they were one step removed from savages, which is far from the truth.
22 posted on 07/20/2002 5:25:52 AM PDT by stylin_geek
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To: stylin_geek
I don't know about that. Vigilanteism is a nasty business, a court of last resort, only to be used when there are no other solutions. They are only as good as their leadership which has been very suspect in many instances. This is a lone individual trying to protect his property. In Texas he would still be a free man but he chose to live in New York. I am just saying that this another good reason not to live in New York. This judge is a turd living amongst citizens who allow him to be a turd.
23 posted on 07/20/2002 5:42:59 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: TomGuy; kattracks; *bang_list
The opposite message? That being, that good citizens who have no criminal record should succumb and allow crackheads, excons, and the like to rummage, steal, destroy, take over their possessions, etc

Actually, the primary message here is redistribution of wealth through busywork bureaucracy and vote-buying.

Remember,as a prison guard you get all the benefits of salary,pension, medical care and benefits you would get in the real world with half the competency required in most jobs with equivalent pay.

Who would you rather guard? An ordinary docile civilized citizen who mostly obeys the rules and is unlikely to cause trouble or a vicious felon who is usually smarter, meaner and more capable than you even(or especially) when he/she is under the influence of mind altering drugs?

If you guard the docile civilized citizen you get all the benefits of taking on "a necessary societal task" without any of the danger of engaging in real work.

Naturally, you vote for the politician or party who can best confer these benefits upon you.

24 posted on 07/20/2002 5:57:26 AM PDT by Copernicus
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To: kattracks
"I cannot send out a message to the community that this is acceptable behavior," Judge Martin Marcus said before sentencing Vicenty.

Straighten up, Judge! What you are saying then is that the burglary is acceptable!!!

25 posted on 07/20/2002 6:46:44 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Zeroisanumber
The message is that you can't shoot someone for stealing your goddamn stereo, get it?!!

Which is a major flaw in the system. The notion that you should allow yourself to be a passive victim in society while the local cops refuse to do anything more constructive to clean up your neighborhood than sit around in the donut shop is a major contributing factor to the decay of certain areas of the country. Criminals know they can basically depredate at will in certain cities and as long as they don't cross over that magic legal line that justifies lethal force for the peons, they can have a nice, productive criminal career. I'm always amazed when I read of these scum getting arrested for rape or murder and the news account mentions that they were "arrested 17 times before on various charges ranging from larcenty to assault" yet he was somehow still out on the streets, with good people legally impotent to do a thing about it.

26 posted on 07/20/2002 6:49:31 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: kattracks
I hope everyone remembers this is you ever find yourself on a jury in a case like this. You have to find the man totally innocent of all charges and not allow the judge to get a crack at him.

As a citizen I refuse to play by their rules and instructions of guilt or innocence when their rules are unjust. Evidently alot of other people feel the same way, thus the attempt to over rule and do away with jury trials.

27 posted on 07/20/2002 6:58:17 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: fporretto
You have just witnessed the creation of an American nobility.

Frank, ordinary cops are sometimes punished severely for the “use of force” – observe the latest video tape case in LA.
…………….. BUT……………
… let us contrast that to the FBI agent who shot the Maryland guy in the face as he rode home from the mall with his girlfriend. He was not suspended; he was not even given a letter of reprimand, even though this was his second shooting! The Federal Police definitely are immune from the law – the definition of a Police State.

28 posted on 07/20/2002 7:01:16 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Zeroisanumber
You don't shoot people when they break into your car, you call the cops. …. To record your statement, name, address, phone number, age, date-of-birth, description of stolen property, race, political affiliation, etc., etc. The police are only there to process the victim! They can easily be replaced by an interactive web-page!
29 posted on 07/20/2002 7:07:34 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Zeroisanumber
The message is that you can't shoot someone for stealing your goddamn stereo, get it?!!

11 posted on 7/20/02 3:20 AM Pacific by Zeroisanumber

And your attitude is EXACTLY why we have multiple offenders walking the streets praying on innocent citizens. Boneheads like you sitting on a Jury, listening to some Bleeding heart telling you how poor Jerome had a bad upbringing, so he should be able to rape and pillage throughout the City. Boo hoo only give him probation, cause he is the father to 15 children and he needs to be free to steal to support them.

You become a victim of more than one crime by the these kinds individuals and watch as the Local Doughnut Cavalry rides in to say, "Bummer, unless we see him doing in there isn't much we can do. Were not going to put a detective on something like this. If it happens again call us. "(At the Local Dunkin Doughnut Shop)

Have one of the Slugs of society decide to target you or your family and then lets see how you feel. Expecially when their little pillage is interrupted and someone gets hurt. (like You)

As one that has experienced being the victim of this Bullshit....Texas has it right, Shoot the SOB's on SITE!

30 posted on 07/20/2002 7:23:11 AM PDT by Area51
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To: Area51
This is what happens when folks claim "it aint no big
deal"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/719442/posts
31 posted on 07/20/2002 7:45:19 AM PDT by Area51
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To: kattracks
Another"BLACK ROBED THIEF"issues a wrong ruling!A criminal gets shot,WHO CARES!This agenda driven judge didn't want to send the wrong message to the community but he did,"COMMIT A CRIME AND THE VICTIM GOES TO JAIL"!
32 posted on 07/20/2002 8:00:27 AM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: stylin_geek
Note also the slanted title of the article. "Vigilante Rifleman Gets Nine Years."

Good observation.

If "Justice" is the goal, the Vigilante and Mafia justice systems deliver better justice than our currently perverted "justice" courts.

33 posted on 07/20/2002 8:05:41 AM PDT by thinktwice
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To: Zeroisanumber
The message is that you can't shoot someone for stealing your goddamn stereo, get it?!!

Um, I'll just say it like it is. My stereo that I worked hard for is worth more to me than a criminal's life is.

34 posted on 07/20/2002 8:27:38 AM PDT by BearCub
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To: kattracks
The New York police let Paul Kersey go free for killing many criminals.
35 posted on 07/20/2002 9:01:54 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: kattracks
"The opposite message? That being, that good citizens who have no criminal record should succumb and allow crackheads, excons, and the like to rummage, steal, destroy, take over their possessions, etc."

Of course that's the liberal jurists message. That is what keeps those judges employed and in power.

36 posted on 07/20/2002 9:10:46 AM PDT by sinclair
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To: Zeroisanumber
The message is that you can't shoot someone for stealing your goddamn stereo, get it?!!

Well, you once could, before the criminal was granted license to steal by liberal judges.

"The yellow haired lady was buried at sunset,

The stranger went free, of course,

'cause you can't hang a man

for killing a woman

who's tryin to steal his horse."

(from "The Red-Headed Stranger", Willie Nelson)

I like that old song. ahaha

37 posted on 07/20/2002 9:44:45 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: waterstraat; PaulKersey
Oh yeah? Hey, Paul. They're talking about you in here. ;-)
38 posted on 07/20/2002 9:48:12 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Movemout
Another good reason not to live in New York.

Remember it was in the Bronx that the Leftwing lawyer obtained the $46,000,000 judgment against Bernard Goetz for defending himself effectively on the Subway. Anyone who does not have to, who goes into the Bronx, must be a little bit insane.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

39 posted on 07/20/2002 9:55:38 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Zeroisanumber
You don't shoot people when they break into your car

Around here we do. It saves the taxpayers money.

40 posted on 07/20/2002 9:57:16 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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