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Rumsfeld: AC-130 Tape 'Clearly' Shows Ground Fire
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 7/22/02 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 07/22/2002 5:50:39 PM PDT by kattracks

The Pentagon (CNSNews.com) - An air strike that Afghan officials said killed more than 40 civilians in Oruzgan on July 1 was based on observations by U.S. troops on the ground, not false information from rival Afghan forces, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters Monday.

"We had people on the ground with eyes on targets who saw anti-aircraft [weapons] and targeted them," Rumsfeld said. "It was not some rival warlords turning the United States on their rival warlord enemies."

Rumsfeld said he had reviewed 15 to 20 minutes of a four-hour videotape from the Air Force AC-130 gunship that attacked the villages.

"Clearly there was ground fire," the defense secretary said. But the formal U.S.-Afghan investigation now underway will provide answers, he said.

"It's an unfortunate fact of war that inevitably innocent civilians are killed," Rumsfeld said. "This has been true throughout the history of warfare and it remains true even in this age of advanced technology and precision-guided munitions."

Progress in Nine-Month-Old War

Nine months into the war on terror, the United States is closer to the beginning than to the end, Rumsfeld warned.

"Our goal is that Afghanistan not become a base for global terrorist networks again," he said. "That work is of course by no means complete. Taliban and al Qaeda fugitives are still at large, some in Afghanistan, others fled across the borders waiting for the opportunity to return."

In response to questions, Rumsfeld confirmed that Pakistan had captured several suspected al Qaeda fugitives in the past two weeks, including one who may have been a top finance official for the terrorist network.

Although U.S. officials are not certain of the identity of those who were apprehended, "there is some hope" that one is a high-ranking al Qaeda finance official, Rumsfeld said.

"It's hard to know in near real time after someone is picked up what they are," he said. "There is so much lying and disinformation and so many aliases."

Rumsfeld predicted that Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect behind the Sept. 11 attacks, will eventually be captured or killed, if he is not already dead.

Rumsfeld said, however, "it would be nice to find [bin Laden]." The al Qaeda leader is either dead or alive, but not sending out videotaped messages because he's physically disabled or afraid to expose his location, he said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: oruzgan; southasialist; warlist

1 posted on 07/22/2002 5:50:39 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Ping. Who Is Marla Ruzicka? (the source of the "Afghani civilian deaths" tale...Drudge headline)
2 posted on 07/22/2002 6:01:12 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: kattracks
These afghans have had tribal warfare for years.

Still think we were set up on that one as I couldn't see why "orphans" were shipped in for this wedding party (which was not attended by the bride and groom).

These people want reparation from us for the body of a good guy or bad guy and they go on their way to fight their tribal wars and kill their own good neighbors.

Sac

3 posted on 07/22/2002 6:04:00 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
These people want reparation from us for the body of a good guy or bad guy and they go on their way to fight their tribal wars and kill their own good neighbors.

We assume people are being mistreated and can be liberated by us because our motives are pure - we're the good guys (we actually are.) Only happens if the many factions fighting each other actually stop. Apparently that's going to take some time. Until then civilians will continue dying.

4 posted on 07/22/2002 6:25:50 PM PDT by toddst
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To: *southasia_list; *war_list
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5 posted on 07/22/2002 6:46:48 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: kattracks
Gunfire? No, it must have been sunlight rythmically glinting off broken pieces of glass and a few puddles.
7 posted on 07/22/2002 8:24:20 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Wm Bach
Waco
8 posted on 07/22/2002 8:29:29 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: kattracks
There is so much lying, disinformation, and so many aliasas

This is culture of Arabs in a nutshell
9 posted on 07/22/2002 9:36:39 PM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: Joe Montana
fyi, the thread's article, and the link here by ragtime
10 posted on 07/22/2002 9:52:38 PM PDT by piasa
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To: kattracks
Why not release the footage?

That is the only thing that will get the truth onto the nightly news.

11 posted on 07/22/2002 9:55:05 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: dagoofyfoot
There is so much lying, disinformation, and so many aliasas

This is culture of Arabs in a nutshell

When and how did this become limited to Arab culture? From what I have observed it could easily be attributed to any number of cultures with the western culture very near the top.

12 posted on 07/22/2002 11:19:10 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: kattracks
>Although U.S. officials are not certain of the identity of those who were apprehended, "there is some hope" that one is a high-ranking al Qaeda finance official, Rumsfeld said.

More evidence bin Laden is dead. This would not happen to a high level finance guy, if the person he needed to finance was still alive.

13 posted on 07/22/2002 11:35:04 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: MosesKnows
When and how did this become limited to Arab culture? From what I have observed it could easily be attributed to any number of cultures with the western culture very near the top.

Unless were refering to the Mob or Biker gangs, I strongly disagree with you. With an open society as ours, facts are hard to keep hidden. Have you ever dealt with a middle eastern bussisnessman? If you did you would know this sort of thing is just par for the course of their general population.
14 posted on 07/23/2002 6:53:58 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: dagoofyfoot
Unless were refering to the Mob or Biker gangs, I strongly disagree with you

Was President Clinton in a biker gang? Let me make some introductions, dagoofyfoot, I'd like you to meet the folks that ran Enron, and over here are the guys from Authur Anderson, and down in Bermuda are the Global Crossing founders, guys I'd like you all to meet dagoofyfoot. The team from Worldcom couldn't make it today. To the best of my knowledge at this time none of these people were members of biker gangs.

15 posted on 07/23/2002 9:47:20 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows
I'd like you to meet the folks that ran Enron

I haven't heard that any of folks at Enron were going by any aliasas, and the fact that you know about the corruption in the company just goes to show the honesty of our nation as a whole. The truth will come out.

I also believe that because of a few bad apples, the majority of Americans are honest, hard working people.

If you even think that you can convince me that the integrity of America could even be compared to that of Afghanistan you're wasting your time. I think that you better look at the big picture.
16 posted on 07/23/2002 6:19:29 PM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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