AL QAIDA IN THE RANKS? Noncitizen (Naval) reservist suspected of ties to terrorist network

Navy Times | July 29, 2002 | Christopher Munsey & Patricia Kime

[aristeides]

Particularly odd that the chief preacher at a mosque should want to be an E-1 reservist at that age.

[aristeides]

On second thought, since he was an E-4 less than a year after joining up, he probably affiliated at that rank. But still...

[Victoria Delsoul]

If that can be proven, Osman would likely be the first U.S. service member publicly linked to a terrorism group since Sept. 11.

Uh-oh.

[agrandis]

Thanks for the ping. This does not surprise me, but it's a revealing story, in many ways.

[JustSayNoNWO]

Thanks for the ping

Why would anyone be surprised that there are Al-Quaida so called moles in the ranks?

You know that since the last Administration, we had(and still have) many in this gov't that gladly accepted political donations from Red China. The same China that still holds most favored nation status(trading)...along the while committing crime after crime against it's own citizens.

Oh, btw is there any reason to keep Saudi Arabia as a fav? (besides oil and political donations)?

[dcwusmc]

It's common and a good way for many to gain citizenship... MOST who do are loyal and quite motivated. Some few, like this one, would make it hard for the good ones...

[CJ Wolf]

We should make them wait and once they have fully served and shot the enemy down from positions placed by our actual military citizens. Then perhaps we should consider it, but only on a case by case basis and judged by their military and civilian peers. It should be something special not a wholesale bulk item.

[xzins]

Absolute need to require a complete background check on every military inductee before their placement in critical positions of trust. The entrance national agency check is a joke.

The military is able to "profile" for certain categories that require background updates and remove access to information and position. They do so for excess debt, drug use, AFFILIATION with particular groups.

If I remember the group listing accurately, certain religious groups were on the restricted listing. Adherence to any wahhabi Islamic sect should require loss of access.

[mafree]

I still can't get over allowing non US citizens to serve in the armed forces, even in the reserves or some auxiliary.

[aristeides]

It's a good way for noncitizens to get citizenship, but I think xzins is right that they should first pass the kind of security check that he suggests.

[aristeides]

Well, if the Pakis are out of West Trenton, maybe that means no more anthrax.

[Brownie74]

I still can't figure out how a non citizen can be in our military!!! Why???

Because our dumb government says so. Check out this link from the Selective Service System.

Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees.

The United States doesn't need any help from any of the above but our diversity crazed multicuturalist leaders seem to think nothing of putting American lives in harms way for a vote to save the party.

Election time is coming up. Make your statement to these people at the polls.

Thanks for the ping C11.

[Snow Bunny]

Thank you Saber for the ping to this.

[Travis McGee]

When a "moderate muslim" is smiling at you, he is thinking about Danny Pearl.

[Travis McGee]

A suicide sleeper Islamikazi on a Navy ship could easily blow it up by sneaking a small explosive device into a magazine etc.

The biggest explosion in French history was done by an Islamikazi a few weeks after he got a job in a fertilizer plant.

[Travis McGee]

I think a lot of islamikazis have been disappearing lately, either to go home, or hide underground.

[MoJo2001]

I worry about those problems here. I worry about the fact that some of our assets aren't so secretive anymore. ( I won't mention which ones out of respect for our AWESOME COUNTRY) However, it's scary!

[Michael2001]

Trouble indeed. We shouldn't allow Muslims in our armed forces.

[arm958]

"I still can't figure out how a non citizen can be in our military!!! Why???"

It's becoming more prevalent. When I joined the Army 20 years ago I don't recall any non-native born soldiers in Basic, AIT, or my first duty station. Now I see it all the time. We have soldiers from Pakistan, Nigeria, Surinam, you name it. Most enlist as green card holders. I don't like it and I was just as shocked as you when I found out we do this. It reminds me of the waning days of the Roman Empire when the Roman Army relied on Gauls, Goths and Vandals to fill-out the ranks.

[arm958]

Absolute need to require a complete background check on every military inductee before their placement in critical positions of trust. The entrance national agency check is a joke.

Good point, but how do you do a complete background check on someone who has only been in the U.S. for two years and spent the first 20 in Lahore, Pakistan (like one guy I recently served with)? Answer: You can't.