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AL QAIDA IN THE RANKS? Noncitizen (Naval) reservist suspected of ties to terrorist network
Navy Times | July 29, 2002 | Christopher Munsey & Patricia Kime

Posted on 07/26/2002 11:00:47 AM PDT by aristeides

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To: Betty Jo; aristeides
Are you familiar with the Congressmen who resigned from the Republican group that controlled the "Task Force On Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare" that authored a report written by BODANSKY that they toltally freaked out about?

I know about Bodansky and his pro-Serbian and anti-islamist views, and his warnings about islamofascist infiltration of our country. I also know that many who don't like Bodansky's views have accused him alternatively of being an Israeli Mossad agent and a Serbian agent working for Milosevic. But I don't know about these Congressmen.

I was mainly--and sarcastically--referring to those Freepers who used to accuse yours truly of being a "Serb propagandist hatemonger from Milosevic's disinformation ministry in Belgrade", or some similar tommyrot.

Unfortunately, muslim subversives and fifth columnists are not the creation of any propagandist--Serbian, Russian, Indian, Israeli, or Republican--but are all too real, and are worse than any propaganist could imagine. On the other side of things, the Serbs are mainly good and Christian people, who were merely defending themselves, their ancestral land, and their faith and culture from the New World Order and muslim onslaught. The REAL disinformation is the false picture of the "evil Serb" and of the "innocent, multicultural 'moderate' muslims" who were supposed to be the leaders of muslim "Bosnia" and Albanian Kosovo.

41 posted on 07/26/2002 5:36:56 PM PDT by Honorary Serb
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42 posted on 07/26/2002 5:39:16 PM PDT by christine
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To: Sabertooth
great post! ;)
43 posted on 07/26/2002 5:40:13 PM PDT by christine
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To: Our man in washington
. . . and about a fourth of my unit are non-citizens . . .

Disturbing trend. When I was in the service (late 60s), non-citizen soldiers were few and far between.

IIRC, Rome fell largely because its army was composed almost entirely of non-citizens. Its citizens were too wussified to serve themselves and its non-citizen soldiers had nothing invested in the society and weren't about to die defending it. Of course, it's much worse if the enemy is actually infiltrating the army.

Multicultural RAT-ism is to blame for this. Damn them.

44 posted on 07/26/2002 5:47:26 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Travis McGee
BUMP!!
45 posted on 07/26/2002 5:48:09 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Sabertooth
How many Muslims are in the US military and how will they react when (not if) we go to war or have hostilities against their fellow Muslims elsewhere in the world?
46 posted on 07/26/2002 5:52:06 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Sabertooth
Osman is only a reservist. I doubt if Bush's order would apply to him and give him citizenship.

On the other hand, if there are any noncitizen traitors serving on active duty, that order would have given them citizenship.

47 posted on 07/26/2002 5:53:39 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Sabertooth
Wow!
48 posted on 07/26/2002 5:54:43 PM PDT by Registered
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To: aristeides
Osman is only a reservist. I doubt if Bush's order would apply to him and give him citizenship.

I believe you're correct. It would apply if he was called up to active duty.

And there will be plenty of that soon, when we go into Iraq.




49 posted on 07/26/2002 5:56:52 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: aristeides
I will wait and see what develops here. The Military has a tendency to jump faster than they can think sometimes. If it is true the UCMJ *Article 32 hearing" is fair but extremely tough. Leavenworth is not a nice place.
50 posted on 07/26/2002 6:01:34 PM PDT by habaes corpussel
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To: Askel5
You ask way too many questions.

What makes you say that?




51 posted on 07/26/2002 6:04:38 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Travis McGee
"This country may be too naive to survive."

I worry.

52 posted on 07/26/2002 6:05:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: habaes corpussel
If the intent was just to have a sleeper in position, I'm not sure any crime was committed that an Article 32 proceeding could punish.
53 posted on 07/26/2002 6:24:32 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Osman is only a reservist. I doubt if Bush's order would apply to him and give him citizenship.

In certain Army M.O.S. it can give him access to secrets just for being a grunt. {Such as Ammo handler, gun crew ect.} Navy wise most Navy Aviation Bosuns Mates {fuelers} task from what I remember were at best confidential. But he could have befriended quiet a few in more knowing ratings though. I could understand our letting the Phillipines in as we had a long standing alliance with them up till recently or post Marcos. Basically we ran the nation and had sufficent means to do back ground checks. But why in the world are we letting persons from other nations in? I think it's time to make our enlistees who are not U.S. natural citizens subject to a very extensive back ground check. And what about this guys age to rank ratio? It's not adding up.

54 posted on 07/26/2002 6:24:56 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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I suspect that, until 9/11, military organizations, including reserve ones, were happy to get any warm bodies they could. I also suspect that 9/11 changed the situation totally, and has made it possible for them to be much more selective. So probably the worry now is basically about those let in in the past.
55 posted on 07/26/2002 6:29:51 PM PDT by aristeides
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"And what about this guys age to rank ratio?"

I noticed that as well. First thought was we must be scraping bottom. But last I knew the cutoff age was 35.

56 posted on 07/26/2002 6:34:25 PM PDT by rdavis84
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57 posted on 07/26/2002 6:35:27 PM PDT by mhking
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To: rdavis84
The Navy Times article conspicuously lacks a photo of Osman. If he's from Sierra Leone, he's presumably black. Maybe that's the reason.

By the way, I've been reading a book about the settlement of Tories in Canada after the American Revolution. Some of those settled initially in New Brunswick were American blacks who had fought on the British side. Shortly after their settlement in New Brunswick, a lot of them were resettled in Sierra Leone, I take it because they found the Canadian climate hard to take.

58 posted on 07/26/2002 6:36:43 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
I just caught this he was a Sea Bee. My bad! This indeed is not good news folks. For those who don't know he would be in a first deploy unit to set up air strips roads ect. Lot's of classified stuff there like plans ect. Wonder if he's been to the PI's we have Sea Bee's deployed there now also.
59 posted on 07/26/2002 6:40:22 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: aristeides
"If the intent was just to have a sleeper in position, I'm not sure any crime was committed that an Article 32 proceeding could punish."

That all depends on what Naval Investigations and the federal agencies find out. But there is plenty for an Arty 32.

60 posted on 07/26/2002 6:42:37 PM PDT by habaes corpussel
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