Posted on 07/26/2002 2:11:17 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
While you might say there is no proof that kiddie porn leads to other crimes, we are accumulating evidence. Every time there is one of these murders, we are finding the killer has enjoyed kiddie porn. Besides vicimizing children in the making of the porn, there appear to be other consequences, that is, people making their fantasies a reality.
I am NOT talking about porn depicting freely choosing adults, being viewed by adults. Surely, protecting of little children from being murdered -- as opposed to protecting them from a Big Mac or second-hand-smoke -- (the original topic of this thread is the murder of a six-year-old) has to be a priority.
How convenient to hide it behind upholding the constitution. I often wonder if those proponents are already involved in pornography and it has a hold on them - either addiction, enjoyment or money.
No matter their reasons - it is trash, it is destructive. How can a person involved in child porn find any release for his desires - other than with a real child? That is what is wrong with it period.
All of this talk about parents protecting their children. What about doing it by getting rid of child porn?
Absolutely! While it's gratifying on one level to know that they'll be "dealt with" by their fellow prisoners, it simply must be official policy that these monsters be put down swiftly like the animals they are.
You have greater faith in the California judicial system than I do.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
All they care about is their liberal agenda and how to further it by legislating from the bench. It's time we all woke up to that simple fact: There is no justice in the justice system. There is only advancing The Cause. And it's done by a group of arrogant judicial activists who act with impunity and answer to no one.
Only libertarian Canadian lawyers and judges are pushing for the rights of pedophiles to be extended. They believe in absolute freedom of speech, which is contrary to the tenets of socialism. Freedom of speech and expression are specifically guaranteed by our Constitution, and rightfully so. Unfortunately such guarantees only hold as much water as the judge making the decision.
Child pornography strengthens the appetites of pedophiles rather than weakening it and serves no good purpose. Having access to media which depicts children having sex is indefensible on any grounds. I'll take absolute freedom of speech and expression over anything you might want to offer up and from what I know of Canada via my step-mother and step-sisters that just about covers everything you might wish to say.......
Whenever the security of children clashes with the demands from pdeophiles and their libertarian lawyers to complete freedom of speech and expression, I'm on the side of protecting children from pedophiles. For what it's worth, DON'T EVER MENTION CANADA AND LIBERTARIAN IN THE SAME SENTENCE OR YOU WILL BE LAUGHED OUT OF DODGE....... Except that many socialists agree with social conservatives that infringing on the rights of pedophiles to access child pornorgraphy is justifiable while libertarians would never agree.
Here's some for starters:
FACTS ABOUT PORNOGRAPHY AND VIOLENCE Among 932 sex addicts, 90% of the men and 77% of the women reported pornography as significant to their addictions. The study also revealed that two common elements in the early etiology of sexually addictive behavior are childhood sexual abuse and frequent pornography accompanied by masturbation. (Patrick Carnes, Don't Call it Love: Recovery from Sexual Addictions, (1991).) Research gathered over the past few decades demonstrates that pornography contributes to sexual assault, including rape and the molestation of children. (See S. Rep. No. 102-372, 102nd Cong., 2nd Sess. 23) (Aug. 12, 1992) (Pornography Victims Compensation Act of 1992, Senate Comm. on the Judiciary). Child molesters often use pornography to seduce their prey, to lower the inhibitions of the victim, and to serve as an instruction manual. - W.L. Marshall, Ph.D., Pornography and Sexual Offenders, in PORNOGRAPHY: RESEARCH ADVANCES AND POLICY CONSIDERATIONS 189 (D. Zillmann & J. Bryant eds., 1989). Of 36 serial sex murderers interviewed by the FBI in 1985, 81% admitted using pornography. -- Victor Cline, Ph.D. in Pornography Effects: Empirical & Clinical Evidence, pg. 19. 87% of girl child molesters and 77% of boy child molesters studied admitted to regular use of hard-core pornography. -- 1983 A Report on the Use of Pornography by Sexual Offenders by Dr. William Marshall, Ottawa, Canada for the Federal Department of Justice. One in three American girls and one in seven boys will be sexually molested by age 18. July 1993 article by David Finkelhor, Answeres to Important Questions about the Scope & Nature of Child Sexual Abuse, pg. 8. --
I'd rather err on the side of prohibiting child pornography than blindly aquiescing to libertarians like ACLU who worry themselves more about pedophile rights than protecting children.
Sorry sport but I stand by my statement that Canada is hardly a bastion of Libertarianism. Whether you wish to admit it or not Judges = Government and your government has told you that you must accept pedophilia. You who lives in a socialist society are bashing Libertarians merely on one issue, child pornography and pornography in general. For what it's worth, I happen to support your disgust in this issue but I am hardly going to rely on my government to decide what is morally right and morally wrong which is precisely what your GOVERNMENT JUDGES AND OURS are doing. That is up to you and your fellow citizens if you've got the balls to stand up to this type of crap.
Of course I am assuming you still have the right to public protest and to public demonstrations outside the halls of your lawmakers and outside the doors of the establishments producing this crap.
Except that many socialists agree with social conservatives that infringing on the rights of pedophiles to access child pornorgraphy is justifiable
Social Conservatives? Here in the U.S. such folks are considered by us REAL conservatives as Socialists, period! These government funded/educated social engineers are also the elites who advocate safe sex over abstinance, AIDS awareness over ABSTINANCE and HOMOSEXUAL acceptance. ALL THESE PROGRAMS ARE GOVERNMENT MANDATED, hardly a position that the Libertarians support.
The Libertarian party here in the U.S. is all about limited government, period. Not a government that wishes to dictate your every move.
Morality should be defined by the masses, not the government!!!! Unfortunately that is not what is happening and it certainly is not a Libertarian principle. As soon as the U.S. and your Socialist country can accept that then perhaps the journey to Gomorrah can be averted......
I've voted against this government in two elections and volunteer for a political party (Canadian Alliance) which consistently stands up against this type of crap. It's not working. The libertarian philosophy that government can not legislate morality means all shall be permitted, absolute freedom of speech and expression must be ensured.
These government funded/educated social engineers are also the elites who advocate safe sex over abstinance, AIDS awareness over ABSTINANCE and HOMOSEXUAL acceptance. ALL THESE PROGRAMS ARE GOVERNMENT MANDATED, hardly a position that the Libertarians support.
I don't know want went wrong with American social conservatives but Canadian social conservatives advocate abstinence while opposing condom handouts, homosexual marriage, homosexuals adopting, and Planned Parenthood. AIDS awareness, safe sex, and homosexual acceptance programs are government-funded and vigorously opposed by leading Canadian social conservative groups such as the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, REAL Women, and Lifesite. Canadian socialists and libertarians are diametrically opposed to social conservatives.
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