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ARE DEMOCRATS SOCIALISTS
Fiedor Report On the News #280 ^ | 7-28-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 07/27/2002 11:27:25 AM PDT by forest

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To: Nonstatist
No, not really, unless those elected had a more left wing agenda. As it is, a large number of Dems are from districts where they can't afford to move sharply left, and there is a considerable consensus on economics. Health care will gradually get more socialized no matter which party is in power. That is inevitable.
81 posted on 07/28/2002 9:42:01 AM PDT by Torie
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To: Sam Cree
very well stated!

82 posted on 07/28/2002 12:52:42 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: Sam Cree
I enjoyed your essay on post # 67. Am thinking of saving it in a word document. Torie's not pompous or anything is he? Though I agreed with one of his points.

Thanks! Don't be too hard on Torie. Remember, we've been indoctrinated for several generations to believe that only the gov't can solve social problems. A lot of people take that to heart and think that there will be mass starvation, homelessness and death in the streets without benevolent gov't intervention.

Took me many years to shed enough of my public skool brainwashing to learn that just about every social problem (abortion, homelessness, poverty, hunger, crime, etc) is statistically much worse now, after years of fedgov intervention.

83 posted on 07/28/2002 6:03:30 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
just about every social problem (abortion, homelessness, poverty, hunger, crime, etc) is statistically much worse now, after years of fedgov intervention.

I think that's very true. It's almost as if, since they're paying people to be poor, they are now getting all the problems that (liberals tell us) are the results of poverty. I know it may be more complicated (that is, there're faults in the liberal game plan I'm not mentioning), but if we want to end poverty, we ought to quit paying folks to be part of it.

84 posted on 07/28/2002 6:15:47 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
...but if we want to end poverty, we ought to quit paying folks to be part of it.

You praise my ranting & raving and then sum up my hour of typing with this one sentence gem. Excellent!

85 posted on 07/28/2002 6:31:32 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: Torie
No, not really, unless those elected had a more left wing agenda. As it is, a large number of Dems are from districts where they can't afford to move sharply left,

If the Dems had a supermajority, the conservative ones would be swept along, all in the name of Party Unity. The only thing that staved off socialized medicine 8 yrs ago was the fact the Reps had 42 in the Senate.

And I'm not as sanguine as you are about nationalized medicine, but I've got my fingers crossed. Where would the Canadians go to get their hip replacements from (before they died, that is)?

86 posted on 07/28/2002 7:23:55 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
Heres a BTTT and a link to a column on Town Hall this morning that analyzes (in the "cuts into pieces" sense of the word) the "progressive movement" very nicely.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidhorowitz/dh20020729.shtml
87 posted on 07/29/2002 11:06:28 AM PDT by johnb838
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To: forest
I would say,....DUH!!
88 posted on 07/29/2002 11:25:13 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever
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To: forest
The question mark was considered. Titles seem to be exceptions. There is much more to consider in this intellectual post.

Titles "seem to be exceptions"? According to whom? The "Moron Club"?

There is "much more to consider in this "intellectual post"?

While you were "considering", you couldn't take a millisecond to type in a question mark?

Putz.

89 posted on 07/30/2002 5:07:35 AM PDT by handk
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To: forest
The following was transcribed from "The Hour of the Time", hosted by William Cooper:

"Listen to this very carefully. Scoot up next to your radio. I don't want you to miss a word. I don't want you to miss anything. I have told you over and over and over again, for years. I wrote it in my book (click on book cover image below to access Amazon.com, the book's title is "Behold A Pale Horse"); my book's been in print for years, that this is a Nazi thing. The Nazis are coming. Socialism. Nazi means, "National Socialism". The Nazi Party was called the "National Socialist Workers Party."


"The Most Shop-Lifted Book in America!"

Do you understand what I'm telling you? There is no such thing as oppression on the right. There is no such thing as Nazis on the right. There are no Fascists on the right. A scale measures opposing states.

All the way on the left you have total control, all the way on the right you have the absence of any control. All the way on the left it's called "Communism," where the state owns and controls everything, even you, and even your underwear. It's where you pretend to work and they pretend to pay you. It's where if you say the wrong word you disappear forever. It's where they have millions and millions of people in labor camps doing slave labor. It's where pogroms are held and whole populations are murdered, slaughtered, one-by-one, any political opposition is murdered.

All the way on the right is total absence of control. it's called anarchy! Anarchy is terrible. it means if I see your shirt and I want it, I just shoot you in the head and take it, and nobody cares. Except you, and you're dead.

In between is the range between these two things. Just above Communism are Nazis. Somewhere in the middle is a Republic, which is the United States of America. This is not a democracy, never was, it was never intended to be. If you don't believe it, read the writings of our Forefathers, who warned us against democracy."

[Reading]: "During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans and other people on the right -- the militias, patriots, Christians -- as Nazis, due to their attempt to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic! I remember the Nazis, and let me share with you a little about them and recall some of their exploits."

[Cooper speaking for himself]: "This letter appeared in the Arlington Washington Times, on June 7, 1995. It's a letter to the editor, and I'll tell you who wrote it at the end. Listen to every word ladies and gentlemen, you're not going to believe what you hear, but it is absolutely true!"

[Words appearing in brackets below and bold-faced are those of William Cooper, adding comments as he reads the letter]:

"During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans and other people on the right -- the militias, patriots, Christians -- as Nazis, due to their attempt to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic! I remember the Nazis, and let me share with you a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, "Nazi" was gutter-slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Beider-Meinhoff gang gave themselves the moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "National Socialist Workers Party of Germany." Hitler and the Brown Shirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, natural resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement." [Hello? Anybody home? One ringy-dingy... Does that ring any bells for you folks? Let me continue...]

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed and academic elite against the Conservative Republic. After Der Fuhrer's election, the Nazi Party ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon. Party membership was especially popular with educators, bereaucrats, and the press. Being a Nazi was politically correct. They called themselves, and this is an exact quote; "The Children of the New Age of World Order," and looked down their noses at everyone else.

As Hitler accrued more power, he began referring to his critics as; "...the dark forces of anarchy and hatred." Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness and the German press was branded a "conservative reactionary."

Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Communications, proclaimed, and I quote exactly; "A New World Order." The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the radio and in the newspapers. Paramilitary groups of Poles, Jews, Bohemians and Gypsies were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order," and Hitler demanded that "all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of terrorists and madmen," and that's a direct quote; "...fall into the hands of terrorists and madmen."

"Right-wing fanatics" of the old order who protested firearms registration were arrested by the SS and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the government of the German people."

Then the Reichstag [which was the "seat" of the German government, just like the our American equivalent, the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, D.C.] was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an emergency anti-terrorist act through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extra-ordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be consfiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermacht [which was the federal law enforcement and the military.]

German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when "the jackboots" Gestapo came calling were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo was the Federal Marshall service of the Third Reich. The SWAT Team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the "enemies of the German people."

When the Polizei, Bewalken (or local police) refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the SA and the SS. Those were the Nazi versions of the BATF and the FBI. When several Lutheran ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military.

Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout Central Europe were closed to prevent escape of fugitives into the wilderness and to prevent movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools re-wrote history and Hitler Youth Groups taught children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared.

Pagan animism became the State Religion of the Third Reich, and Christians were widely condemned as "right-wing fanatics". Millions of books were burned first, and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it.

Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers".

Yes. Indeed. I remember the Nazis, and they weren't republicans or right-wing or patriots or militias, they were Socialists and they were monsters!"

[Cooper]: And this letter was written by Thomas Colton Ruthford from Arlington, Washington. Did any of that sound familiar to you? It is word-for-word what is happening in the United States of America, as I have told you many, many times before.

What happened in Germany during Hitler's rise to power, is exactly what is happening in the United States of America today!

And if you don't want to believe it, and if you want to sit on your lazy sheep butts until they come and drag you out in the street and shoot you, then you go ahead and do it. There's a lot of us who ain't gonna be there with you. Got that? [End of transcript]



Milton William Cooper

Born: May 6, 1943

Died: November 6, 2001

Loving Father

Loving Husband

Loving Friend

True Patriot

God Bless You Bill.
You are Greatly Missed.


Bill & Crusher - Oct. 2001


90 posted on 07/30/2002 5:12:54 AM PDT by handk
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To: johnb838
Heres a BTTT and a link...

Good article. Thanks!

91 posted on 07/30/2002 4:56:52 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: Redcloak
Here's a dirty little secret: Most Republicans are also socialists.

Here's an even dirtier secret: Hillary still has those 1200 FBI files. One can not help but wonder if that influences Republican action.

92 posted on 08/04/2002 12:27:45 PM PDT by forest
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