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Glock vs. Beretta (9mm)
Myself | 07/29/2002 | New Horizon

Posted on 07/29/2002 3:51:37 PM PDT by New Horizon

FReepers,

I went and checked out 9mm handguns today. I was looking at the Glock 9mm (mid-size), but was impressed with the Beretta 9mm.

The Glock was light, felt like plastic (or carbon)...what is that material?

The Beretta instantly felt better in my hand (heavier, all metal, etc.)

I am looking for opinions as to which gun is the better of the two. Also, the reasons for your opinions. In any case, I'm looking at the 9mm as a personal protection handgun.

As always, your comments mean a lot to me. Thanks.


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1 posted on 07/29/2002 3:51:37 PM PDT by New Horizon
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To: New Horizon
Both are fine handguns. If you can, shoot them (borrow just about any model 9mm of each). Pick whichever feels the best for you. I know experienced shooters who would pick a Glock, and I know experienced shooters who would pick a Beretta.
2 posted on 07/29/2002 3:57:06 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: New Horizon
I'm looking at the 9mm as a personal protection handgun.

Then I'd go with a .45 instead of a 9mm. More stopping power and less 'punch through' which puts non-targets at risk.

3 posted on 07/29/2002 3:57:08 PM PDT by zandtar
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To: New Horizon
In 9mm's I'm impressed with the small Taurus and the Kahr line of 9mm's. I personally don't like the Glocks because the only way you can decock one of them is to remove the magazine, empty the chamber, and then drop the firing pin. Otherwise you're stuck in SA mode after the first shot. The SIGs are nice too, if you can afford them.

Do you own a good .357 revolver?

4 posted on 07/29/2002 3:58:00 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: New Horizon
Look at a Sig Sauer also.
5 posted on 07/29/2002 3:58:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: zandtar
.45 with less "punch-through" than a 9mm???
What kind of crappy .45 are you shooting?
6 posted on 07/29/2002 3:58:54 PM PDT by axxmann
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To: New Horizon
I love my Sig! Especially the night sights.

But what do I know, I'm a girl...
7 posted on 07/29/2002 4:00:42 PM PDT by luckodeirish
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To: New Horizon
Get ready for about 1,000 replies.

I've often wondered whether these queries ("which gun is better?") aren't posted by one of our friendly government agencies, compiling records on gun ownership.

Blame it on paranoia, but I wouldn't tell a stranger what guns I own, and certainly wouldn't post it on the internet.

8 posted on 07/29/2002 4:01:04 PM PDT by JoeFromCA
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To: New Horizon
Both are fine pistols which serve the intended purpose well. You didn't say if your "personal protection" would involve daily concealed carry. If so, then you might consider that the Beretta is a bit heavier than the Glock. Also, one thing that I have a hard time getting used to is the transition from the first shot to the second shot with the DA/SA Beretta. Some people are very comfortable with the latter, of course. The best thing is to try out each gun to see which one you like better, but my opinion is to get one of each!
9 posted on 07/29/2002 4:04:45 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: JoeFromCA
To all friendly government agencies: I own several firearms, and I don't intend to give them up. The Constitution says I don't have to.
10 posted on 07/29/2002 4:06:25 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: New Horizon
Personally, I like the Beretta. The 92S is a reliable and easy to control pistol. They also make a version of the 92 that is intended as a concealed carry pistol. It is slightly smaller than the standard but is essentially the same gun.

I've shot both the full size and the "custom carry" competitively (I brought in better numbers with the smaller size "custom") and found them to be both accurate and reliable ( and alot safer than a glock). Needless to say, I have a high opinion of them.

My vote goes with the Berretta...
11 posted on 07/29/2002 4:13:39 PM PDT by IsItTimeYet
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To: axxmann
The 9mm will punch through a wall or the side of a house cleaner thaqn the 45 acp so the chance of shooting your neighbor is higher with the 9mm.

A nine mm is just to small IMHO for personal protection.

The other thing with a Semi auto is that you must put a lot of time in on the jam clearing drills etc. If you are going to depend on one of them for protection. I elected to not spend countless hours on those drills and just use a revolver. Simple, no jams. I don't have the amount of follow up shots but I am not in law enforcement and will just hope that 6 will do the job.
12 posted on 07/29/2002 4:20:58 PM PDT by dannyc
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To: axxmann
What kind of crappy .45 are you shooting?

Check the muzzle velocity and mushrooming of the two rounds and you'll see. The .45 was designed around the round, to stop a human in their tracks with one shot.

13 posted on 07/29/2002 4:23:31 PM PDT by zandtar
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To: New Horizon
Either one is probably as good as the other.

My question would be,why 9mm? IMHO 9mm is a weak round that requires very good placement to be effective. The .45 auto or the .40 S&W would be a better choice if it were up to me.

On the other hand I'm wedded to wheelguns, .357 and .45 LC ,or .38 Special for that matter, so what do I know?

14 posted on 07/29/2002 4:28:33 PM PDT by oldsalt
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To: New Horizon
"The Beretta instantly felt better in my hand.."

Sez it all.

15 posted on 07/29/2002 4:30:25 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: OKSooner
"I personally don't like the Glocks because the only way you can decock one of them is to remove the magazine, empty the chamber, and then drop the firing pin."

Huh? The Glock's firing pin is put into a "halfcocked" position when a round is chambered. A pull of the trigger fully cocks and then releases the firing pin. If you don't pull the trigger it won't shoot. If you drop a Beretta or other autos with a cocked hammer it may go off. The trigger pull on the Glock remains constant from the first round to the last. My Glock 23 has been kept loaded with a chambered round for over ten years and still functions perfectly. Having fired most of the automatics that are on the market (I'm a gun dealer) I would put the Glock first overall. BTW, Glocks should only be carried in a holster that covers the trigger.

16 posted on 07/29/2002 4:30:55 PM PDT by bruoz
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To: New Horizon
The Glock 19 is an excellent pistol. That is the model you are refering to, mid size 9mm Glock. Glock has a well earned reputation for reliability and ease of service. Very simple to operate, just like a revolver. No safety levers, just press trigger and fire. That is also one of the reasons some people don't like the Glock, it is easier to fire, thus the fear is that it would be easier to have a negligent discharge.

I have a Glock 17, full size 9mm, that I have put over 4,000 rounds through with no failures at all, period. I have a G32C, mid size 357 SIG with compensator ports, that I have put over 1,000 rounds through with no failures. I can't speak highly enough about them.

On the other hand, I had a G36, compact 45ACP, that was a POS, so not all Glocks are created equal.

I don't have a lot of experience with the Beretta, but the experience I've had has been good.

17 posted on 07/29/2002 4:32:49 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: New Horizon
I am looking for opinions as to which gun is the better of the two. Also, the reasons for your opinions. In any case, I'm looking at the 9mm as a personal protection handgun.

I've fired both, in various calibers. To tell you where I come down on this, I'll put it this way: I own three Glocks. I've yet to buy a Baretta.

What I like about Glocks (short list, since Glock lovers can go on and on and on):

1. It feels comfortable in my hand -- hands down (no pun intended) the most important factor for me.

2. It's simple to operate, disassemble, clean and reassamble.

3. I really grew to like the lack of an external safety and the unique safety features that Glock offers. Trust me, you'll get used to them. And you'll come to appreciate the inherent safety features the gun offers.

4. It is simply the most accurate handgun I've ever fired.

As for your choice if caliber, if this gun is for personal protection, I'd seriously consider something a little stronger than a 9mm, but then I freely admit I'm a .45 caliber snob.

18 posted on 07/29/2002 4:35:57 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: New Horizon
I don't have any experience with the Beretta but I am happy with my Glock 17. I have shot over 50 boxes worth of ammo at the local firing range and have never had a jam.
19 posted on 07/29/2002 4:36:42 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: New Horizon
The Beretta instantly felt better in my hand (heavier, all metal, etc.)

Dude, you're gonna get a Beretta</Dell Dude off>

(although the Glock is always the better choice...)

20 posted on 07/29/2002 4:36:59 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer
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To: OKSooner
You cannot decock a Glock at all. That is because the striker is never fully cocked until you apply pressure to the trigger. The first 1/4" of take-up is what pulls the striker back to firing position. Doing what you descibed will allow the striker to move to the forward most position, but as soon as you chamber a round, the striker is positioned back on the trigger. It is not cocked at that point though.
21 posted on 07/29/2002 4:38:49 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: New Horizon
Demo, demo, demo.
I was happy with my Glock 19 for years until I shot a Kimber .45.
Bought a Kimber Gold Combat two weeks later and havn't shot the Glock since.
22 posted on 07/29/2002 4:40:55 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: New Horizon
I have a Glock .45 and my son has a Beretta 9mm. Both are fine firearms and I'll recommend either, although for personal protection I think .45 is way superior in stopping power.

BTW, that extra heft can feel like considerably more weight after carrying for some time.The best carry gun is one you will carry comfortably and that you can handle and shoot accurately. There is a good article in the current American Rifleman magazine from the NRA on this issue (August) that is worth reading.

23 posted on 07/29/2002 4:43:49 PM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: New Horizon
Whoa...I thought this was a Robert Blake thread!
24 posted on 07/29/2002 4:51:54 PM PDT by JennysCool
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To: TroutStalker
I owned all plastic semis until I put a Springfield Armory "loaded" .45 in my hand and did some impulse shopping. After carrying and using the light stuff, holding steel in your hand really feels good.

send me your email address I'll email you a pic of me holding a wild spawned, high mountain lake, rainbow trout that I was catching last week.

Ernie

25 posted on 07/29/2002 4:52:59 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: New Horizon
Check out the H&K UPS .45. Like you I didn't like the feel of the Glock but love the UPS. It's used by the Navy Seals and has many great features (i.e. corrosion resistant finish, left or right hand models, great decocker, reliability, reduced recoil, accurracy and more).
26 posted on 07/29/2002 4:58:02 PM PDT by FireTrack
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To: New Horizon
I am a Civillian trainer working for the U.S. Army. I work with the M9 (Beretta 92) and have a very low opinion of the weapon for durability - firing pin breaks and can result in a discharge when decocking - guns are prone to failure to feed - firing pin block actuator is prone to breakage during assembly. It is a difficult gun to shoot well.

Glocks are no more likely to discharge unintentionaly than any othe pistol if you don't pull the trigger. I shoot combat courses and see many Glocks and seldom see a Beretta. Glocks have feed problems too but I believe they are generally associated with the .40 S&W hand loads so is not an issue for your choice. Glocks seem very durable and while I do not like the plastic feel of the gun, it points very well. After market equipment to adjust or tune your trigger to different weight pull is readily available and not too spendy. The Glock is, in my opinion, a superior pistol compared to the Beretta.

I will not enter the .45 vs 9mm argument. I have my on oopinion but you desire a 9mm and I assure you that you can buy ammo delivered to your door for $120 per thousand. Only thing cheaper is a .22. With any caliber, you have to put the bullet where it needs to be put. Do that and all will be well.

27 posted on 07/29/2002 5:01:00 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: big ern
I'm not going to give up searching for better firearms, just speaking from my own experience so far. Looking ahead: SA, Kimber, H&K.

email addy is coming by FReepmail.

28 posted on 07/29/2002 5:01:02 PM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: FireTrack
Correction = H&K USP
29 posted on 07/29/2002 5:05:08 PM PDT by FireTrack
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To: big ern; New Horizon
Having owned and shot both the Glock and Beretta (in .40 cal) for many years, I found it easier to shoot tighter groups with the Glock. That being said, I became a convert to the Colt 1911 .45, and prefer it for everyday protection over both the Glock and the Beretta. (fewer rounds but feels flatter, shoots better)

For hiking, camping etc. I still go with a wheelgun in either .357 or .44 magnum. Taurus and Ruger are fine choices, but go with stainless.

30 posted on 07/29/2002 5:05:15 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: New Horizon
You may wish to look at a CZ -75. Can still get hi-cap mags. Accurate, dependable. A bit heavy, but not for most. At $350, cheaper than most.

My Glock 26 (pocket rocket) is a nice little pistol. A bit small for a hog-head like myself. Be sure not to "limp wrist" it. Also, I've noted they tend to shoot down and to the L. Practice makes perfect.

Some will tell you a 9MM is an insufficient man-stopper. Yet, 9MM have been killing people for years. Try Gold Dots. Or Cor-Bon. Main thing is to get what is right for YOU!

Inspite of owning numerous pistols, I keep a PYTHON .357 Mag for a "pillow gun." Wheel guns are dependable beyond all. And in .357Mag? If used for home defense, you'll need to call Service Master afterwards...

31 posted on 07/29/2002 5:05:43 PM PDT by donozark
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To: luckodeirish
Only people that can afford SIGs are Feds and bankrobbers. Which are you? HaHa!

You may be "only a girl," but you have excellant choice in weapons! That will be my next purchase in handguns...if/when the stock market recovers.

32 posted on 07/29/2002 5:11:36 PM PDT by donozark
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To: New Horizon
I would recommend that you check out the Sig 226 (home protection) and the Sig 239 (for carry) before buying anything.
33 posted on 07/29/2002 5:12:06 PM PDT by Mulder
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To: New Horizon
Forget about 9mm’s. Think - Slide-action Shotgun.

Picture yourself in a quite house with a suspected prowler downstairs. You simply shuck a round into the chamber and the universally recognized sound and globally feared acknowledgement of a shotgun in the area will do the trick.

OR – Picture yourself in a noisy setting being pursued by a really bad guy with a gun. Use a shotgun – hard to miss.

34 posted on 07/29/2002 5:17:18 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: New Horizon
I got a Glock .45 and a Baretta Cougar .45. I say screw the 9mm idea and get yourself one or the other in .45. The Para-Ordinance .45 P-14 is the best of the three IMHO.
35 posted on 07/29/2002 5:19:46 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: New Horizon
These post make my day!
36 posted on 07/29/2002 5:21:00 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: Dale 1
"Forget about 9mm’s. Think - Slide-action Shotgun."

two words:

Double barrel.
37 posted on 07/29/2002 5:23:14 PM PDT by Wisconsin
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To: Wm Bach
I became a convert to the Colt 1911 .45, and prefer it for everyday protection over both the Glock and the Beretta. (fewer rounds but feels flatter, shoots better)

Id agree with this statment
38 posted on 07/29/2002 5:24:38 PM PDT by ezoeni
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To: zandtar
Yrs. It's balance of characteristics make it the best(though it's better with a ten round clip)
39 posted on 07/29/2002 5:26:48 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: New Horizon
If you plan to carry concealed you might want to consider the lighter Glock. If you are buying the gun to keep in the house then consider the heaver gun if it feels better in your hand. The Glocks will out shoot about anything on the market but the absence of a safety bothers a lot of folks.
40 posted on 07/29/2002 5:49:53 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: New Horizon
the best gun is the one that feels the best when you fire it. but at least a 9mm. I'd say .40 personally.
41 posted on 07/29/2002 5:49:55 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: OKSooner
the firing pin on a glock is not engaged if the magazine is removed
42 posted on 07/29/2002 5:50:23 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: vetvetdoug
Dear VetVetdoug,

I concur with your thoughts. I too shoot a Baretta Cougar and have no complaints. I do have a stainless 92FS and (I hate to say it) can't hit the broad side of a barn with it? It sure is purty though!

MFO
43 posted on 07/29/2002 5:54:10 PM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: KneelBeforeZod
oops I meant if the trigger isn't pulled.....
44 posted on 07/29/2002 5:55:32 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: New Horizon
Check your Freeper email for comments.
45 posted on 07/29/2002 6:01:01 PM PDT by Hang'emAll
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To: IsItTimeYet
Personally, I like the Beretta. The 92S is a reliable and easy to control pistol. They also make a version of the 92 that is intended as a concealed carry pistol. It is slightly smaller than the standard but is essentially the same gun.

I was intrigued by the Beretta 9000 last year when I bought my Glock 23. It felt good in the hand and is lightweight like the Glock. At that time there were very few holsters, etc available for it. The young lady at the gun show jokingly called it the 'Nike' gun, because it looks like it has a swoop on it.

Shoot them all, buy the one you will carry every day.

46 posted on 07/29/2002 6:04:46 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: New Horizon
As others have said, try both (both brands are common enough you ought to be able to find a range that has some for rent). You'll probably find you really like one more than the other. I've tried both, and really, really dislike the Glock on so many levels. But it's a reliable, tough gun and others whom I respect think Gaston Glock is the second coming of John Moses Browning, so if it works for them, great. That's why we have so many wonderful choices! Whatever you do, don't be swayed by any gun-bigot who trashes one or the other (the old "Glocks kaboom and Berettas break their locking block" arguments). Both are fine, fine pistols if operated as intended by the manufacturer, and unless you get a lemon, you will be reliably served by either for a very long time.
47 posted on 07/29/2002 6:07:20 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: New Horizon
BTW, used Berettas 92s are pretty readily available around here (Raleigh, NC) at the cop shops.

(I think they traded them in on Glocks)
48 posted on 07/29/2002 6:13:11 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: New Horizon
A lot of ranges will rent you a gun by hour. Find one that has both. Shoot both.

And consider a larger caliber. I would hate to get shot with a pellet gun, but .45 or even .40 beats 9mm.

49 posted on 07/29/2002 6:14:15 PM PDT by LibKill
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To: New Horizon
You are much better off with a S&W(38spl./357Mag.)revolver if you are going to use it for self-defense.These guns are practically fool-proof.A semi-auto is much more complicated and(therefor)much more accident-prone.The beauty of the double-action revolver is that there are no safeties!You must pull through the trigger-cycle completely to fire it.You don't have to pull the slide back to charge it or keep it"locked and cocked"
50 posted on 07/29/2002 6:22:03 PM PDT by bandleader
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