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Glock vs. Beretta (9mm)
Myself | 07/29/2002 | New Horizon

Posted on 07/29/2002 3:51:37 PM PDT by New Horizon

FReepers,

I went and checked out 9mm handguns today. I was looking at the Glock 9mm (mid-size), but was impressed with the Beretta 9mm.

The Glock was light, felt like plastic (or carbon)...what is that material?

The Beretta instantly felt better in my hand (heavier, all metal, etc.)

I am looking for opinions as to which gun is the better of the two. Also, the reasons for your opinions. In any case, I'm looking at the 9mm as a personal protection handgun.

As always, your comments mean a lot to me. Thanks.


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To: New Horizon
I would consider the beretta as the better of the two. It is heavier, has a slightly better barrel life and heavier trigger function. Also, depending on how and where you will carry it, with the holster it will be better concealed on your person. IMHO.
81 posted on 07/30/2002 5:58:48 AM PDT by RollingThunder
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To: OKSooner
No...the only guns I currently have are a Ruger .44 Mag rifle and a 410 shotgun.

I may have to take a closer look at the SIG...I didn't check the price tags, but the Beretta and Glock were around $500 - $600.

Is the SIG much more expensive?

82 posted on 07/30/2002 6:40:17 AM PDT by New Horizon
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To: IsItTimeYet
I toyed with a 9000 a little bit but didn't like the skinny grip on the slide. It was harder to chamber than the 92 and a little awkward for my hand. I did like the de-cocker placement (close in to the thumb and right next to the slide lock), but I'm not too adventurous with my pistol purchases ( budget constraints have a way of making a man selective, I like to think of it as "discriminating". It sounds better than "poor" :) so I'm sticking with the "mini-me" 92 (the "custom-carry")

At the time last year, the 9000 was at the top of the magazine 'hype' parade. I'm very happy with my Glock 23 and have no regrets on passing on the Beretta. Perhaps they should market it to the fanny pack runner crowd.

83 posted on 07/30/2002 6:51:53 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: *bang_list
BANG!
84 posted on 07/30/2002 6:52:42 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: New Horizon
You can get the same size handguns in 40 S&W, if the size of the firearm was a concern for choosing 9mm. I own Beretta's, and am very satisified.
85 posted on 07/30/2002 6:59:43 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: New Horizon
BTW, the Beretta Vertec is out. It is shaped more like a 1911, and is a better pistol than the 92/96.
86 posted on 07/30/2002 7:00:31 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: IsItTimeYet
I'm going to jump in here and correct you about the .45. The .45 is a big and slow round that allows a person to control the recoil. I taught a bunch of Boy Scouts two weeks ago and we used full house .45 loads. After explaining how to hold the 1911 and telling them what to expect, the kids, who averaged in age to about 13, were experiencing a two inch height in recoil and they were doing fine with hitting. There was one kid who wasn't listening through the entire instuction. That boy was experiencing the torque when he fired.
If you're having trouble with recoil, it's because:
You're holding it wrong.
This is something someone told you.
You're using some mini-concealable gun.


87 posted on 07/30/2002 7:18:31 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: New Horizon
I've had a Glock 17 in 9mm. Very dependable but didn't fit my hand well. The Beretta I have no experience with. I do like the Walther P99 (available in 9mm and .40 S&W) which is like the Glock in weight but has many features that the Glock doesn't. Still, the 1911 is my favorite.
88 posted on 07/30/2002 7:21:19 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: All
HELP: Need help getting an approximate market value on a gun.

I know there are many internet sites where you can look and get some price ideas for a "used" gun.

If anyone knows the url for a site please let me know. Specifically, A golf buddy has a 8-9 year on S&W .22 with a 7 inch barrel used for around 1,000 rounds. I'm looking for a plinking/target .22 and thought that I'd make him an offer but don't know what it's worth. I guess he also has a laser target attachment but I have know idea what brand etc. I think it's a model 41?

89 posted on 07/30/2002 7:27:52 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: L_Von_Mises; Mulder
I agree with Mises and Muler - I have a Glock, and it's a fine pistol, but I use a Sig 226 9mm in USPSA competition. 9mm ammo is cheap and the Sig is fun to shoot. Sigs are very accurate and dependable, and you can choose the .40 in either model if you want a bit more stopping power.

The 239 is a compact version of the 226, so you could have two very similar guns for a house/carry gun combo, if you can afford them both... :)

The Sigs are a bit expensive new, but they are so well-made that there is no reason not to look for a good used one. My 226 is an older West-German made police trade-in with more holster wear than shooting wear, and I found it for $290 (including one high cap mag). Currently, I'm spending my fun money on pistol training, but eventually I'll pick up the 239.

90 posted on 07/30/2002 7:33:59 AM PDT by Fletcher J
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To: New Horizon
I've never fired a Beretta but have carried a Glock 26 for personal protection. The Glock is light and easily concealed but I've never gotten over the need for a postive safety. I am always worried that I'll accidentally discharge a round whenever I re-holster the weapon.
91 posted on 07/30/2002 7:39:35 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Fletcher J
"Currently, I'm spending my fun money on pistol training,

Do everything you can to enroll in a Jeff Cooper GunSite class. He's not getting any younger and he's a National Treasure. The class will teach you everything you need to become a pistol expert. More importantly it will teach you the skills to continue your education.

92 posted on 07/30/2002 7:50:07 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: FireTrack
I'm curious if there are any other Freepers that have owned a H&K USP or have had experience with one?

My single experience shooting one left me just short of climax.

The next closest was a Para Limited, but it only felt and shot excellently. Cadillac vs the Chevy I was shooting at the time.

You never need apologize for shooting .45 or for shooting USP.

93 posted on 07/30/2002 7:52:13 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: IGOTMINE
Do not, under ANY circumstances, buy a Beretta Model 92

Sorry to disagree with you, but your experiences seem to be with some of the lots Beretta supplied the military in the past. The locking block problem HAS been solved, and the gun does not seize up when hot (personal experience here, and the experience of many, many others). I've put thousands of rounds through an Elite II with NO malfunctions whatsoever. I can't say that for the Glock, or my Sig P220 or my Kimber or my P232 (I can say that for my USP, but hey, it's a USP). Combat conditions (adverse elements, spotty maintenance, hot loads, occasionally ignorant users) are quite different from what any normal person, even an IDPA competitor, is going to put a firearm through.

94 posted on 07/30/2002 7:57:02 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: 1Old Pro
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95 posted on 07/30/2002 8:17:15 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'm going to jump in here and correct you about the .45. The .45 is a big and slow round that allows a person to control the recoil. I taught a bunch of Boy Scouts two weeks ago and we used full house .45 loads. After explaining how to hold the 1911 and telling them what to expect, the kids, who averaged in age to about 13, were experiencing a two inch height in recoil and they were doing fine with hitting.

You are right. It boils down to a training issue. As you observed, knowledgable instruction can make an attentive student effective with the "heavy" calibers as well as the lighter punch of a 9mm. The overiding rule is still "hit what you aim at" and in a desperate situation, any size hole will do if it's in the offending torso and not in the wall.

Besides, I'm not about to argue with a troop of boyscouts packing 1911's

96 posted on 07/30/2002 8:43:56 AM PDT by IsItTimeYet
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To: New Horizon
Holy cow it's amazing how gun threads get attention around here, 'specially them "which is best" ones.

Selecting a handgun for "personal protection" is a big decision, the choice depends on a number of important criteria. Your experience level and your willingness to train with the gun are probably more important than the gun you choose. If you're not experienced and don't care to spend time at the range frequently, it's probably best to disregard the semi-auto's and go with a revolver - the manual of arms is much simpler and easier to remember under stress. It's tough to go wrong with a quality, medium frame 38/357 sixgun.

If you choose to go the semiauto route, it's probably best to ignore the "buy a 45 and pack it cocked and locked" advice as few can really shoot a 45 well under stress without regular practice. If you want to be a true hard core pistolero, you have to pack a 45, but be prepared to put in the time necessary to master it. Even the best 45 shooters will run a 40 or 9mm faster and with greater accuracy, simply due to the reduced recoil. If you want the biggest, baddest fighting handgun out there, the 1911 .45 is probably it - the bad news is they are generally not as reliable as some newer designs "out of the box" and often require tweaking to get them to operate reliably. The best versions are customs and VERY expensive.

That leaves the alternatives, including Glock, Beretta, SIG, HK, et al. Glocks tend to dominate most forms of pistol competition where 1911's are not allowed, and are actually the only alternative format that's competitive with the 1911 on it's own merits - at least in IDPA and USPSA competition. Glocks are reliable, lightweight and durable, but they are not for everybody as they require careful attention to trigger control and upon reholstering.

SIG and HK are probably "the best of the rest" and are often preferred choices for concealed carry, as they offer ultra-safe modes of carry that still allow you to put the gun into operation quickly. For concealed carry, both the Glock and 1911 models require somewhat more training and experience than double action automatics with manual safeties.

Caliber is important, but bullet selection is critical. A quality 9mm JHP like Golden Saber or Cor-Bon is a more effective bullet than 45 FMJ- don't assume 9mm is an ineffective caliber. With the right bullets 9mm is an excellent choice, and they're much easier to shoot than larger calibers like 40 and 45.

40SW has taken off like gangbusters and I think outsells every other caliber by a large margin, because it combines much of the power of the 45ACP with only slightly greater recoil than 9mm -many see it as the ultimate compromise, and it also permits greater magazine capacity in pre-ban or law enforcment magazines.

Whichever gun you choose, seek out competent training, and practice with it frequently.

97 posted on 07/30/2002 8:45:48 AM PDT by xsrdx
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To: New Horizon
I have an early Berretta 92SB Pietra from the late 70s and a Taurus 99 which is essentially a copy. I love the action on both...and the feel overall. Some folks love Glocks. I don't. I think it's personal taste.
98 posted on 07/30/2002 8:47:12 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: FireTrack
Now that's a big gun. My little bro has the tactical version.
99 posted on 07/30/2002 8:50:38 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: IsItTimeYet
I agree ...and btw...howdy!
100 posted on 07/30/2002 8:51:11 AM PDT by wardaddy
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