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Some MEUs still carry proven .45s
Stars and Stripes ^ | August 6, 2002 | Mark Oliva

Posted on 08/06/2002 11:54:12 AM PDT by demlosers

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1 posted on 08/06/2002 11:54:12 AM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Picture of MEU here:
a href="http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1733.htm">http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1733.htm

I think that the 1911 is one of the most beautiful and well-constructed firearms ever devised. It is simple yet elegant.

2 posted on 08/06/2002 11:56:18 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: demlosers
The upgrade sounds good. Are they going to make it available to ordinary citizens?

If not, does anyone have a recommendation on currently available versions of this weapon?

3 posted on 08/06/2002 11:59:32 AM PDT by Sam Cree
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There are a myriad of M1911 clones for any price range depending on what features you want.
4 posted on 08/06/2002 12:06:03 PM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Sam Cree
The upgrade sounds good. Are they going to make it available to ordinary citizens?

I wish I knew. You probably can get a nice accuratized .45 somewhere.

5 posted on 08/06/2002 12:08:16 PM PDT by demlosers
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>>In fact, the same Marines who carry the beefy .45s also carry MP-5 submachine guns that shoot 9 mm rounds. But when firing those submachine guns, they shoot “double-taps,” or two squeezes on the trigger, to ensure an enemy soldier is hit with a massive amount of lead. <<

My knowledge of the MP-5 is somewhat limited but my understanding is that it has 3 fire modes -- single, double tap, and full auto. It would not be necessary for the shooter to pull the trigger twice with the fire mode properly selected. I would bet the Marines keep it on double tap.
6 posted on 08/06/2002 12:16:59 PM PDT by NerdDad
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To: demlosers
H & K USP bump....
7 posted on 08/06/2002 12:19:09 PM PDT by tracer
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To: demlosers
Can someone give me a technical explanation of the difference between a single-action and double-action pistol?
8 posted on 08/06/2002 12:21:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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9 posted on 08/06/2002 12:21:08 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: demlosers
Howdy

The Marines have it right, the 9mm is a pooch.

10 posted on 08/06/2002 12:22:02 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: demlosers
John Moses Browning Bump.
11 posted on 08/06/2002 12:22:45 PM PDT by gundog
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To: NerdDad
The MP-5 is also available in 10mm if ya really wanna hurt somebody(not just scare little Cuban kids).
12 posted on 08/06/2002 12:24:51 PM PDT by gundog
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To: 1rudeboy
Can someone give me a technical explanation of the difference between a single-action and double-action pistol?

As I understand it, a double-action is when you pull the trigger which cocks the hammer and fires the round, and for single-action is a manual cock of the hammer.

13 posted on 08/06/2002 12:26:14 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Sam Cree; demlosers
This is basically just a 1911 with upgraded parts. Anything sold by Kimber will already have that sort of upgrade built in. Performance 1911 parts are a pretty big market, actually.
14 posted on 08/06/2002 12:28:34 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: 1rudeboy
Can someone give me a technical explanation of the difference between a single-action and double-action pistol?

On a double action pistol, pulling the trigger cocks the hammer and drops the hammer. On an SA (single action) pistol, the trigger does not cock the hammer. On a DA/SA, the trigger typically cocks the hammer on the first shot, while subsequent shots are SA (I say typically because you could decock after the first round for another DA shot, or you could have something like an HK USP, which can be carried safely in SA mode on the first round, or decocked in DA mode).

Another type of action is the Glock type action, which uses a striker that exists in a sort of half-cocked state, so that the trigger pull is lighter than DA but longer than SA.

15 posted on 08/06/2002 12:29:08 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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The single-action pistol requires manual cock for the first cock, then cocks itself while ejecting and loading the next round. Many pistols will fire as double-action for the first round, then single-action for every round thereafter.

Double-action Only (DAO) means you have that long trigger squeeze to pull back the hammer every single time you want to fire.

16 posted on 08/06/2002 12:33:06 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Thane_Banquo
United States Marine Corps Weapons & Equipment

MEU (SOC) Pistol


Primary function: Modified .45 caliber pistol
Builder: Specially trained armorers at the Rifle Team Equipment (RTE) Shop, MCB Quantico, Virginia
Length: 8.625 inches (21.91 centimeters)
Length of barrel: 5.03 inches (12.78 centimeters)
Weight:
Magazine empty: 2.5 pounds (1.14 kilograms)
Magazine loaded: 3.0 pounds (1.36 kilograms)
Bore diameter: .45 caliber
Maximum effective range: 164 feet (50 meters) for specially-trained user
Muzzle velocity: 830 feet/252 meters/second
Magazine capacity: 7 rounds
Unit Replacement Cost: $600

Features: This weapon is a modified M1911A1 .45 caliber pistol sometimes referred to as "near match" or "combat accuratized." The MEU(SOC) Pistol is the designated "backup weapon" of Marines armed with the 9mm MP5-N Close Quarters Battle weapon. The M1911A1 was chosen for this role (and its modifications generated) because of its inherent reliability and lethality, and because the MEU(SOC) modifications make the M1911A1 design more "user friendly."
The unique characteristics of the MEU(SOC) pistol are: commercial/competition grade ambidextrous safety, precision barrel, precise trigger, and rubber coated grips, rounded hammer spur, high profile combat sights, and an extra-wide grip safety for increased comfort and controllability (which aids in a quick follow-up second shot). The issue magazines are replaced with stainless steel competition-grade magazines with rounded plastic follower and extended floor plate.

Inventory: 500

Background: The weapon modifications were designed in 1986 to meet the requirements of the MEU(SOC). Each pistol is hand-built by specially trained armorers at the Rifle Team Equipment (RTE) shop, Quantico, Virginia.

17 posted on 08/06/2002 12:45:50 PM PDT by archy
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To: demlosers
Pick up any gun mag and you will see a myriad of 1911 clones. I would go to Wilson's as they make a variety of the performance parts and may have an exact copy of this weapon ready to ship.

There is much said about the 15 round capacity of the Barretta, but why are we not using the double stack magazine on the 1911? Para-Ordinance originally came out with the wide frame, but it is available from many companies now (including Wilson's)

18 posted on 08/06/2002 12:46:58 PM PDT by maximus@Nashville
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To: Thane_Banquo

19 posted on 08/06/2002 12:48:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Britton J Wingfield
This is basically just a 1911 with upgraded parts. Anything sold by Kimber will already have that sort of upgrade built in. Performance 1911 parts are a pretty big market, actually.

Except that Kimber, in its bid to satisfy the P.C. gods have saddled JMB's creation with a Series II safety, which is prone to failure.

Stupid Kimber, no cookie for you.

20 posted on 08/06/2002 12:50:57 PM PDT by Frohickey
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