Some MEUs still carry proven .45s

Stars and Stripes ^ | August 6, 2002 | Mark Oliva

[Atlas Sneezed]

MP5 "double tap" would properly be called a two-round burst. A skilled shooter (and these are rare) can quite reliably get a two round burst from a full auto, but undoubtedly the two round burst is what is referred to in the article.

That said, my preferred sidearm would probably be this:

[dhuffman@awod.com]

Single action (SA) - requires that the action be cocked. The M1911 is SA and may be carried hammer down but must be cocked prior to fire. The M1911 is intended to be carried cocked-and-locked with the hammer back, a round chambered and the safety on.

Double action (DA) - the trigger will raise the hammer ('cocking') before dropping it. A DA pistol may be carried hammer down and the action will be 'cocked' by the first pull of the trigger. The relatively long/heavy trigger pull of a DA shot militates against them.

SA/DA pistols will function in DA for the first shot and SA for subsequent shots AND after 'de-cocking' (as dropping the hammer without firing is known). SA/DAs may be differentiated by a three position SAFE-FIRE-DECOCK control.

'Revolvers' may be SA or DA. With 'exotic' exceptions they will not be SA/DA.

Self-loaders/'semi-automatics' use excess energy from the previous round to chamber the next round and cock the action/hammer. They may be SA or DA or DA/SA.

My personal weapon, a H&K USPc .40 is SA/DA and I carry it hammer down. As in the Glocks and the H&K P7, modern semi-automatic pistols blur the SA/DA boundaries nicely.

[dd5339]

Bump for my gun nut Kimber 1911A1 wife!

Semper Fi

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

bump for my Springfield Armory Loaded model

[archy]

The upgrade sounds good. Are they going to make it available to ordinary citizens?

If not, does anyone have a recommendation on currently available versions of this weapon?

JLD Enterprises is now making former Argentine police and military handguns available, including both original Colt-manufactured *Modelo 27* Argentine .45 automatics identical to the US M1911, later Argentine-manufactured M27 pistols made in Argentina on Colt-installed machinery, with which all US Colt parts interchange, and finally, the HAFDASA *improved* design .45 automatic also used by some Argentine forces. The prices run anywhere from 270$-300$ for the Argie .45 M27s, to 395$-450$ for the US-built guns.

Various accessories and spare parts are also available.

These are really handsome specimens of Browning's design, with machine-cut checkering and machinework typical of the 1930s, beautifully executed and finely finished. You won't find cast or plastic parts on these guns, aside from possible plastic replacement handgrips.

[dhuffman@awod.com]

My SA M1911 lives quietly in the shadows at the front door and next to its partner a 5-cell Maglight.

At night the H&K is on the headboard with a spare magazine and the cell phone. All carry rounds are Federal EFMJ.

The Remington M870 has two #4 and then 00.

[Shooter 2.5]

Shouldn't that be a German flag in the picture?
I like the idea that our American Forces are using American built firearms.

[archy]

Can someone give me a technical explanation of the difference between a single-action and double-action pistol?

In addition to the other correct descriptions listed, the most interestring difference is a two to four- and- a- half pound trigger pull on a well-tuned single action trigger, as opposed to an 8 to 14-pound pull with the double-action or *trigger-cocking* design. Think of having to lift an M1 Garand rifle with the pull of one finger, for example, for some idea of the feel of the pressure needed to fire the DA, unless the hammer is manually thumbed back first...though some recent DA designs omit the external hammer as a supposed safety *improvement,* resulting in the heavier pull for each and every shot.

-archy-/-

[archy]

Shouldn't that be a German flag in the picture?

I like the idea that our American Forces are using American built firearms.

The SOCCOM .45, with accessory silencer, is in use by some US Special Forces units and other SpecWar units as a special purpose handgun, so the US flag is indeed appropriate. Indeed, the wound delivered to the head of Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown following his plane crash was said to have been of about .45 caliber, and may well have been one of the first military uses of the silenced .45 on a *special mission.*

[joesnuffy]

Everything you wanted to know about handguns from some of the best smiths in the USA
http://www.pistolsmith.com/index.php
I almost hate to share it as I hate to see it get all jammed up...but if you want a custom 1911
or a semi or the best stock version and want to get advice...this here is da place imo....

[Dick Vomer]

The upgrade sounds good. Are they going to make it available to ordinary citizens? If not, does anyone have a recommendation on currently available versions of this weapon?

colt 45 gold cup.... real accurate right out of da box. I like the para-ordanance 14-45 myself but that's just IMHO.

[joesnuffy]

There are many like it but...... as done by Ted Yost

[dhuffman@awod.com]

The H&K SOCCOM Model 23 was designed in consultation with US SOC COM. The desires of the American shooter guided the design of the Universal Selfloading Pistol series from Heckler and Koch.

I hope that you were so chauvinistic in your damnation of S&W after their craven cave to Cliton(spit) and the Moronic Million Mommies.

[Shooter 2.5]

I still think that should be a German flag in the picture. I know our forces use H&K's but I think we can do better by using American made products.

[Shooter 2.5]

I try to support American products when I can. One of the reasons is that I'm pretty sure that the foreign companies had to sign agreements with their anti-gun governments in order to stay in business that make the S&W agreement pale in comparison.
I bought two Smiths around thirty years ago and one that I bought I think ten years ago. I also own one Smith that has nothing to do with S&W. S&W is not one of the firearms that I collect.
I noticed that you didn't say anything about the people who like Kimbers. Why is that?

[harpseal]

A single action pistol only fires from the cocked position. A Double action pistol will fire from the hammer down position as well as from the cocked position a Double action only (something of a misnomer) fires only from the hammer down position. The reason DAO is something of a misnomer is it only has one action a long relatively hard trigger pull.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[spqrzilla9]

The new Smith & Wesson Company has essentially abandoned the HUD settlement agreement.

[backhoe]

archy, is that X-ray the real thing? No fooling?

[archy]

archy, is that X-ray the real thing? No fooling?

From Ron Brown's autopsy. The military pathologists caught hell for spilling the beans, as you might imagine.

There are enough names and other info in the account *here* for you to begin additional websearches and research into the events surrounding his death if you so desire.

-archy-/-

[backhoe]

Appreciate the info... my old post

Was Ron Brown Assassinated? Take Two....

is locked out, but I'll send a link to that picture in the next mass email... last I had heard, that X-ray was "lost"-- funny, huh?