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Facts and Myths - an examination of McPherson's "Causes of the Civil War" essay
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Posted on 08/09/2002 3:38:13 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist

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To: WhiskeyPapa
We wish that Simms had acknowledged his committment to Tenn. and never came to the Lone Star State.
Major Applewhite outplayed him every year and only his blue blood pedigree allowed Simms onto the field.
Texas has an excellent chance to challenge for the title this year and I got a sawbuck that says Simms botches the OU game again this year, costing Texas the title.
Thank goodness this is his senior year.
Good damn riddance.
121 posted on 08/11/2002 11:09:37 AM PDT by dtel
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To: WhiskeyPapa
P.S.
His papa was way, way over rated too.
The only reason the chump won a Super Bowl was because Norwood botched that field goal.
122 posted on 08/11/2002 11:12:49 AM PDT by dtel
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Your point is what?

I could care less what happens in football...not my thing...
By the way, I have an Uncle in Memphis....proud of his Southern Heritage....as you SHOULD BE!
123 posted on 08/11/2002 11:24:30 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: dtel
When the K-Town UT signed Simms, I thought, "Really!"

Coach Fulmer will have Martians in here next, as Simms was heavily recruited by Penn State, Texas and others.

Throwing 4 INT's against OU has nothing to do with who recruited him, of course.

We've got this skinny kid for QB from Northridge CA, now. As luck would have it, he has better numbers than Peyton Manning did at this point in his career. Plus -- he BEAT FLORIDA AT FLORIDA. Of course the 5' 8" Travis Stephens of Clarksville, Tennesee WOULD NOT be denied 226 yards last year at the Swamp.

I wonder what it says that Casey Clausen came to Tennessee and his younger brother went to LSU.

The greatest native Tennessee player -from- Tennessee lately is Al Wilson of Jackson, now of the Denver Broncos.

I was at the SECCG in '97 when Auburn, on the strength of SIX UT turnovers was ahead of us. Only later did I read that Al Wilson was throwing chairs at half time and challenging the big players like Peerless Price and PEYTON MANNING to get off their butts and play some offense.

Let the record also show that the winningest team in the WHOLE country in college football since 1926 is my Tennessee Volunteers!

We aim to win a bunch more.

FIGHT WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT!

FOR THE ORANGE AND WHITE!!!

Walt

124 posted on 08/11/2002 11:28:41 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: TexConfederate1861
Your point is what?

My main point is LONG LIVE THE UNITED STATES AND SUCCESS TO THE MARINES!!!!!

Sorry you see things differently.

Walt

125 posted on 08/11/2002 11:36:15 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
The only credit I can give to Lincoln, is that he did wish for a short and fruitful reconstruction, WITHOUT malice and revenge.......

126 posted on 08/11/2002 11:37:07 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: WhiskeyPapa
and we don't differ....I am am an ex-Navy Corpsman, who ttok care of MARINES...and I love the idea of a United States that is JUST that....with the power resting in the states...the way the Founders envisoned....NOT the Lincoln-Clinton style Dictatorship we have now......
127 posted on 08/11/2002 11:40:29 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
proud of his Southern Heritage....as you SHOULD BE!

Like George Washington, I have an immovable attachment to the national union.

Walt

128 posted on 08/11/2002 11:41:04 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
George didn't live long enough to see the abuses heaped upon his South by the forces arrayed against it...

If he HAD...HE would have been leading instead of LEE!
129 posted on 08/11/2002 11:48:13 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
NOT the Lincoln-Clinton style Dictatorship we have now.

My friend. You will not be able to show any parallels between Lincoln and Clinton.

In 1860, presidential candidates did not actively campaign. Too vulgar, don't you know.

Lincoln, although he was in the fight of his life, for the highest office he ever aspired to -- having lost MORE elections that he won -- told his managers, "make NO promises that will bind me." -- this was an honest man.

Having been elected in 1860, it was suggested to him that he might win re-election by renouncing the Emancipation Proclamation. He flatly refused.

He said he would be "damned in time and through eternity" if he betrayed the "black warriors" (are you listening, Lerrone Bennett?) who had fought at Fort Lusustee (sp) and other places.

Ths was not exactly the way that bill Clinton did things.

Walt

130 posted on 08/11/2002 11:53:37 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: TexConfederate1861
If he HAD...HE would have been leading instead of LEE!

Lee was willing to see an end to democratic goverment; Washington was not.

A comparison of the record will NOT reflect well on traitor Lee.

Consider this very carefully:

Washington, towards the end of his life, said that he never wished to trade for another slave.

Lee, with all the softening that generations could and should have brought, wrote in 1865 (when events were passing him at a comet's speed) that the best relationship between blacks and whites was that of slave and master.

There is NO NONE NADA comparisons between Lee and Washington, and one of history's great questions is why Lee would retreat from the positions that Washington held.

Walt

131 posted on 08/11/2002 12:06:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"You need to re-think Lincoln. He was a great and good-hearted man."

You certainly have a right to your opinion that Lincoln was a a great and good-hearted man; but opinion is all it is, it is not "truth" however much you may be convinced that it is. I have given some thought to the question of Lincoln. In reality I don't believe he was consciously evil, but I do believe his actions caused much more harm than good. In the absence of new revelations I don't find "retinking" necessary and I will continue to hold to my present opinion.

132 posted on 08/11/2002 1:43:26 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Wrong again...

The Confederacy had an almost identical Constitution, with the exception of a line-item veto, and protection for slave owners.....

And I think Washigton would have agreed with the South....
133 posted on 08/11/2002 2:59:41 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: WhiskeyPapa
They BOTH made use of "executive orders" which are both un-constitutional....
134 posted on 08/11/2002 3:01:58 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861
They BOTH made use of "executive orders" which are both un-constitutional....

Where is that shown in the -record- ?

Oh. Davis had no Supreme Court to contend with.

Walt

135 posted on 08/11/2002 3:15:02 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Aurelius
You certainly have a right to your opinion that Lincoln was a a great and good-hearted man; but opinion is all it is, it is not "truth" however much you may be convinced that it is.

You'll show nothing else by the record.

When president Lincoln found out that Alexander Stephens' newphew was a POW, he had him released at once.

Show something like that on the CSA side.

Walt

136 posted on 08/11/2002 3:19:41 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"When president Lincoln found out that Alexander Stephens' newphew was a POW, he had him released at once."

One anecdote is supposed to change my mind?

137 posted on 08/11/2002 3:31:30 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: WhiskeyPapa
"When president Lincoln found out that Alexander Stephens' newphew was a POW, he had him released at once."

Hitler is reported to have protected Jewish entertainers whose talents he appreciated. Individual actions out of context are not of much value in judging a man's character.

"Show something like that on the CSA side."

Whether one can or not is irrelevent to the question of Lincoln's character; you are trying the same fallacious argument that Non-Sequitur is so fond of.

138 posted on 08/11/2002 3:41:05 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Aurelius
Hitler is reported to have protected Jewish entertainers whose talents he appreciated. Individual actions out of context are not of much value in judging a man's character.

Reported by whom?

And as you know, President Lincoln told General Grant to "Let 'em up easy", in regard to the Army of Northern Virginia.

Lincoln was always ready to forgive on the basis of Christianity.

I'm not sure that the defenders of Hitler can say the same thing.

Walt

139 posted on 08/11/2002 3:47:52 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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To: Aurelius
Whether one can or not is irrelevent to the question of Lincoln's character; you are trying the same fallacious argument that Non-Sequitur is so fond of.

I know that the defenders of the so-called CSA very seldom cite the record.

Walt

140 posted on 08/11/2002 3:49:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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