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Bloomberg Seeks to Ban Smoking in Every Restaurant and Bar/Power Hungry or Hungry for Control?
The New York Times ^ | 9 August 2002 | JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Posted on 08/09/2002 6:06:45 AM PDT by SheLion

The Bloomberg administration will ask the City Council to amend New York City's antismoking law to include all restaurants and bars, making it one of the toughest in the nation.

The current law, passed in 1995, forbids smoking in all restaurants with more than 35 seats, and excludes stand-alone bars and the bar areas of all restaurants. The proposed amendment would add roughly 13,000 establishments that would be forced to ban smoking entirely.

A state bill banning smoking in all restaurants passed the Assembly this year and had enough support to pass in the Senate. But under pressure from Gov. George E. Pataki, who insisted on exempting small restaurants, and a heavy lobbying campaign by restaurant groups and the tobacco and liquor industries, the Senate's Republican leaders never put the bill to a vote.

However, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg — who, along with his health commissioner, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, is persistently anti-tobacco — views bars and restaurants as workplaces before social establishments, and has said that employees within them should have the same option of a smoke-free environment as those who work in offices.

"The mayor will push this," one administration official said, "for all the same reasons he pushed the cigarette tax. He makes changes to things that he thinks are important."

Mr. Bloomberg gained approval from Albany this year to raise the taxes on cigarettes, making the cost of a pack about $7.50 in the city. The administration is expected to announce its plans to amend the antismoking law on Monday. Even cigar bars, if they serve alcohol, are likely to be included in the legislation.

In the last month, the mayor has quietly lined up support in the Council, where several members are likely to sponsor a bill at his request forcing all smoking New Yorkers to do their puffing outdoors. (Under the 1995 law, smoking was outlawed in public places like theaters and offices.)

Among those consulted was Councilman James S. Oddo from Staten Island, who came up with his own more modest bill this spring to expand the smoking laws to small restaurants. Hearings were never held on the bill.

"The health commissioner and the mayor make a very compelling argument for legislation that goes well beyond my bill," he said yesterday. "I am seriously considering sponsoring it."

Edward Skyler, a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg, would not comment last night.

Timothy Filler, the associate director of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, said the amendment "would be hugely significant."

"New York is a bellwether and a city that many others look toward as a leader," he added. "If New York City were to do something that included restaurants and bars, it would be a great step forward in public health."

The city is bound to meet some resistance from both some restaurants and bars and those that represent them, although the New York State Restaurant Association recently reversed its longstanding opposition to the proposed state law after a survey showed that 76 percent of its 7,000 members favored the law.

"Our position has been that we have some of the strictest rules in the country, and we have learned to live with them, and we think they should be left alone," said E. Charles Hunt, the executive vice president of the restaurant association.

However, he added: "If a total ban is proposed in all public places, I think people are going to say nobody has an advantage over anyone else and would seriously consider whether or not that might work. The whole thing seems to be boiling down to an employee safety issue at this point."

Lawmakers in Nassau and Suffolk Counties are considering similar measures, officials there said.

If such a law were passed, New York City would join two states — California and Delaware — and scores of municipalities that ban smoking in just about every workplace, including bars and restaurants.

Three other states — Maine, Utah and Vermont — have statewide bans on smoking in all restaurants. Municipalities have been more aggressive in seeking tough and broad antismoking laws, largely because local legislatures are less vulnerable to the powerful tobacco industry lobby.

New York State law requires that a restaurant have a nonsmoking area that encompasses at least 70 percent of its seats, but the smoking area can be in the same room.

There are 72 municipalities in America that ban smoking in any restaurant or bar, according to Mr. Filler, and hundreds offer some other variation on a law against public smoking, allowing people to light up in stand-alone bars, or permitting smoking in restaurant bars that have separate ventilation systems.

In California, where the Legislature passed a law in 1994 that banned smoking in all workplaces, including bars and restaurants, many tavern and restaurant owners feared dire economic consequences. Some studies, including one by the state's sales tax collection agency in 1998, actually showed an increase in sales after the law was enacted.

"I don't believe a New Yorker would choose a steakhouse in Weehawken over Ruth's Chris in New York City because of a smoking regulation," Mr. Oddo said yesterday.

Mr. Bloomberg, who has a school of public health named after him, is aggressively antismoking. When he lobbied for his cigarette tax, he insisted that he did not care whether the city made or lost money, but rather that the tax would keep children from smoking. He has been known to chide reporters for their puffing, and has takes slaps at the tobacco industry in speeches.

He has found a kindred spirit in Dr. Frieden, the health commissioner, who said when he was appointed that his main priority would be to combat smoking. Dr. Frieden has even produced a radio advertisement deploring secondhand smoke.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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"The role of government is not to create wealth. The role of government is to create an environment in which the entrepreneur or small business or dreamer can flourish. And that starts with rule of law, respect of private property, less regulatory burdens on the entrepreneur, open banking laws so that all people have access to capital, and good tax policy."

President George W. Bush St. Petersburg University, St. Petersburg, Russia May 25, 2002

1 posted on 08/09/2002 6:06:45 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; RikaStrom; ...
More erosion of rights! Even our President does not want to "hurt the small business person." So why is Bloomberg going against our President?
2 posted on 08/09/2002 6:08:41 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Already posted here, SL.

I pinged you and the puff list...

3 posted on 08/09/2002 6:16:04 AM PDT by metesky
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To: metesky
I pinged you and the puff list...

Sorry, metesky. Only on my first cup of coffee. ~sigh....

4 posted on 08/09/2002 6:19:06 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Does anyone else see the parallel between anti-smoking laws, gun control and SUV's????? It's not about smoking, it's not about guns, it's not about SUV's.......it's about CONTROL.

Smokers have been demonized, same as gun-owners, that if you light up you are posing a risk to others, in the 'privacy' of your own home and possibly (oh my God) the cause of cancer in your cat. If you are a smoker, you are a killer of babies, a contributor to the hole in the ozone, and just a bad person.

Sound familiar?

SUV's, guns, smoking are all being given the .....'bad for your health' moniker by those who want to control what you do, what you drive, and what to own. Soon they will try to control what you see (they do much of that now), what you hear, and who you hear it from.

The next 'revolution' will be one of the mind.

5 posted on 08/09/2002 6:19:48 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: SheLion
The tobacco-nazi's tried this in Mesa,Az. Restaurants and bars started to tank at amazing rate ,to the point of taxes declining....guess what happened?...they started making exemptions,this was in '98. I haven't been back and I don't know what has happened since.
6 posted on 08/09/2002 6:21:47 AM PDT by sidegunner
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To: Pistolshot
The next 'revolution' will be one of the mind.

I fear you are right!


7 posted on 08/09/2002 6:29:12 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Under RINO Bloomberg cigarettes will be gone ... and graffiti is coming back. Results typical of lefty, PC politicians' priorities.
8 posted on 08/09/2002 6:30:32 AM PDT by iconoclast
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; RikaStrom; ...
MSNBC wants to hear our opinions about Bloombergs anti smoking deal. We should all send email telling them just what we think!

You can email MSNBC at:

question@msnbc.com

9 posted on 08/09/2002 6:32:09 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Blomberg is just another Democrat who called himself a Republican in order to run for higher office. Sean Hannity exposed this phoney during the campaign.

Creatures like this are endemic to northeastern Republican politics, e.g. Chrissie Whitman, Tom Kean, Nelson Rockefeller, Jacob Javits, Tom Ridge, "Donny" DiFrancesco, etc.

10 posted on 08/09/2002 6:32:49 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: SheLion
Time for NYer bars to exerce their second amendment rights.
11 posted on 08/09/2002 6:35:50 AM PDT by lavaroise
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Time for NYer bars to exerce their second amendment rights.

I sure wish they would do SOMETHING!

12 posted on 08/09/2002 6:46:29 AM PDT by SheLion
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What I wonder about is why they must have an all or nothing policy. Why can't 10 percent of all restaurants and bars have a special license to allow smoking? Each place could be clearly posted and if someone doesn't like to be in a place where smoking is allowed they have a whole lot MORE to chose from.
13 posted on 08/09/2002 7:08:25 AM PDT by Enterprise
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That's what we ALL are wondering! But the anti smoking health coalitions aren't going to stop until they completely ban smoking EVERYWHERE or else not until their honey pot from the tobacco settlement money runs dry.

I just wish these coalitions would be demolished! They are ruining people's lives, turning non smokers against smokers, closing down business's all under the guise of "it's for the kids," just like Hilter Screamed!

Well, no one takes a kid into a bar/restaurant. I know "I" sure wouldn't want to be around a bunch of screaming kids in a bar/restaurant. Take them to McDonalds! heh!

And this second hand smoke scam is just that: a scam. The Federal Court shot down the EPA's second hand smoke scam, yet the anti's are shoving THAT under the RUG! I wish more people were aware of that report! Might wake up a lot of people to what the government is doing to us:

Federal Court Rules Against EPA on Secondhand Smoke

14 posted on 08/09/2002 7:20:47 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: ZULU
Blomberg is just another Democrat who called himself a Republican in order to run for higher office. Sean Hannity exposed this phoney during the campaign

That's right but it wasn't exactly a secret i.e. there was nothing to "expose" - everyone knew and Bloomie didn't try to hide it.

15 posted on 08/09/2002 7:24:26 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Enterprise
Why can't Bloomberg mind his own busines?! Sheesh!! Doesn't seem like this will fly, but really!

And after all these ads promoting NY tourism...what's next, then? Hotels? Apartments? My house?!

16 posted on 08/09/2002 7:25:12 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: 88keys
oops...that's "business...(which there won't be any of, if Bloomberg persists and gets his way!)
17 posted on 08/09/2002 7:27:07 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: SheLion
although the New York State Restaurant Association recently reversed its longstanding opposition to the proposed state law after a survey showed that 76 percent of its 7,000 members favored the law.

I thought so. I bet most restaurants want to ban smoking because of cost considerations in providing staffing etc for separate sections. A ban lowers costs while not affecting revenues.

18 posted on 08/09/2002 7:37:09 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: 88keys
...what's next, then? Hotels? Apartments? My house?!

Oh yes! That's next. That's why we have to wake up and take back our freedom. This is getting WAY out of hand!

19 posted on 08/09/2002 7:49:36 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: 88keys
oops...that's "business...(which there won't be any of, if Bloomberg persists and gets his way!)

Yep!


20 posted on 08/09/2002 8:27:54 AM PDT by SheLion
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