It's time to put this often used, silly, strawman argument to bed.
1. The Palistine has always been inhabited by many tribes.
2. Some of the tribes are Semetic. Some Semetic tribes are Jewish, some Arab.
3. Also a lot of Bedoin and Druze and Christians and Zoroastrians, etc, etc.
4. How stupid of you it is to expect all different, non-Jewish peoples residing in the Palistine to consider themselves "a people!"
5. "Palistinian" is therefore describing a person's geographic, not nationalistic, origin.
6. Zionism is a nationalist political movement. Any political aspect of "palistinianism" is a reaction to Zionism.
7. Atzlan is a separatist political movement of Hispanic people. "Californians" are people that live in California. "Zionism" describes the political like Atzlan, "Palistinian" is geographical like Californian. If the UN told Californians to give Atzlan (perhaps as Reparations for the Indian Holocaust), one's status as Californian would not supervene on thier reaction. Because only some Californians are Atzlanists or anti-Atzlanists.
Well by your definition then, Sharon is a palistinian and Yasser is just an Egyptian...welp, matter solved, time for Yasser to leave.
2. Some of the tribes are Semetic. Some Semetic tribes are Jewish, some Arab.
Some of the non-tribes were Christian, again, squat to do with the Arabs from surrounding areas calling themselves a new name for political purposes..
3. Also a lot of Bedoin and Druze and Christians and Zoroastrians, etc, etc.
Fluff and stuff. Bedowin call themselves Bedoin, Druze call themselves Druze and Christians call themselves Christians, and Islamic Arabs from Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lybia, Checknia and Afganistan call themselves "Palestinians" even if they have never been there.
4. How stupid of you it is to expect all different, non-Jewish peoples residing in the Palistine to consider themselves "a people!"
And how brilliant of you to suck right up to the Palestine Liberation Organisation party line, created AFTER the 1948 invasion. If a "People" do not align by race, birth, religion, or geographical location but only by the Political aims of a terrorist organisation I kinda view them as a political terrorist movement, not a people. Doh...
5. "Palistinian" is therefore describing a person's geographic, not nationalistic, origin.
Even if they have never been there right? Like Arafat himself, born and raised in Egypt, was originated in Palestine? Don't forget that Egypt was never Part of "Palestine" but always has been just egypt.
6. Zionism is a nationalist political movement. Any political aspect of "palistinianism" is a reaction to Zionism.
Therefore "Palestinianism" is a political movement and not a people. You just circular-logic argued yourself right around to arguing my position. Always put a liberal on a short leash or they will end up biting their own butt as they chase their tail.
7. Atzlan is a separatist political movement of Hispanic people. "Californians" are people that live in California. "Zionism" describes the political like Atzlan, "Palistinian" is geographical like Californian. If the UN told Californians to give Atzlan (perhaps as Reparations for the Indian Holocaust), one's status as Californian would not supervene on thier reaction. Because only some Californians are Atzlanists or anti-Atzlanists.
However Americans would just tell the UN to go stuff itself, as the Israeli's are when the UN demands that Israel give the land that was captured from Jordan to the Arabs who live in Israel.
What part of Palestinian is a political movement not a people do you not understand? A people have a language, culture, a history. The "Palestinians" speak Arabic, are Arabic, and their history is Islam, which is from Arabia where they invaded from. Uh, perhaps they are ARABS! (woah dude! A concept! pass the doobie...)
"Palestinians" are not a people, they are a political movement
It's time to put this often used, silly, strawman argument to bed. 1. The Palistine has always been inhabited by many tribes.
Palestine is a political name for the land, essentially dating from 1919.
2. Some of the tribes are Semetic. Some Semetic tribes are Jewish, some Arab.
Arabs did not live in the land of Israel untill the Muslim armies invaded the Byzantine province around 640 CE.
3. Also a lot of Bedoin and Druze and Christians and Zoroastrians, etc, etc.
Bedouins are Arabs. Unlike the Syrians Jordanian, and Egyptians who settled Palestine between 1890 and 1946, these Arabs had been in the land for 1300 years.
Teh christians are the remanents of the Byzantine Greeks and Syrians colonists who made up a bare majority of the population in 620. (Jews and Samaritans still were a majority in most of the occupied land).
Zoroastrians are Persian. The Druze belong to a religion that broke of from Islam.
4. How stupid of you it is to expect all different, non-Jewish peoples residing in the Palistine to consider themselves "a people!"
And they didn't until the 1960's.
5. "Palistinian" is therefore describing a person's geographic, not nationalistic, origin.
Palestine is not Pakistan, although boith are essentially the results of British mismanagement of Israel and Isndia respectvely. I do, however, admire your honesty in positing that there is no Palestinian nationality. You are conceding the point your answered.
Obviously if there is no distinct Palestinian nationality, language, or culture, there is no distinct Palestinian people.
6. Zionism is a nationalist political movement. Any political aspect of "palistinianism" is a reaction to Zionism.
Quite true.
7. Atzlan is a separatist political movement of Hispanic people. "Californians" are people that live in California. "Zionism" describes the political like Atzlan, "Palistinian" is geographical like Californian. If the UN told Californians to give Atzlan (perhaps as Reparations for the Indian Holocaust), one's status as Californian would not supervene on thier reaction. Because only some Californians are Atzlanists or anti-Atzlanists.
After the formation of the PLO in 1964 it is hard to claim that "Palestine" is purely geographica. Besides, what wer the borders? Those of 1919, which included what is now Israel and Jordan? Are we talking about teh post 1923 borders, after 2/3 were lopped off to become the Arab country, Tranjordan? Are we talking about the further 1/2 of the land given to the Arabs in the 1947 UN Partition, which the Arabs rejected? Or are we talking about the land Israel won from Egypt (minus the Sinai) and Jordan in 1967?