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Saudi Arabia gives US the cold shoulder,Saudi Arabia no longer a USA friend
London Times (On Line) ^ | August 15, 2002 | michael evans

Posted on 08/14/2002 7:42:38 PM PDT by GaryMontana

RELATIONS between the United States and Saudi Arabia have deteriorated so far that the Saudi Arabians are no longer considered allies, senior diplomatic sources said yesterday. Saudi Arabia, once the indispensable cornerstone of US policy in the Arab world, has refused to co-operate with the war on terrorism or support President Bush’s plans to overthrow President Saddam Hussein. According to the sources, it has handed over no Intelligence of any value about the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation, which has roots in Saudi Arabia.

The final “stab in the back” for Washington was the decision to ban American bombers from attacking Iraq from Saudi airbases. That has soured relations to such an extent that the country from which America launched its 1991 invasion of Iraq is now being excluded from discussions about a post-Saddam era.

Even Syria, which in public is opposed to an attack on Iraq and has been engaged in trade and arms deals with Baghdad, is talking secretly to the Americans and the British about the role that Damascus may play in the region if Saddam is overthrown. A Syrian delegation is understood to have had discussions with British officials in London this week.

British diplomatic sources said that the Saudi ruling elite was immersed in a “dynastic battle” and was so concerned about survival that the key figures were afraid of taking any decision that would be interpreted by the people as being pro-Western and anti-Arab. It had become increasingly difficult to find anyone with sufficient clout and influence in Riyadh “to talk about anything”.

King Fahd, 79, is said by Gulf-based diplomats to be suffering increasing ill health, giving rise to speculation about his successor. He left Geneva for his holiday home in Spain yesterday after undergoing eye surgery.

General Tommy Franks, the US Central Command chief who is planning the campaign against Iraq, is understood to have removed from his list of potential launch pads the huge Prince Sultan airbase, 50 miles south of Riyadh, which the allies used as their combined air operations centre in the Gulf War. Development work at General Franks’s alternative “war base” — the al-Udeid site in Qatar — was now so far advanced that it would soon be a “totally self-sufficient” American facility, the sources said.

“There may be no political decision yet, but militarily the US has made enough preparations to attack Iraq any time, without using any facilities in Saudi Arabia, other than Saudi airspace. It is assumed that the Saudis would not go as far as denying over-flight rights,” the sources said.

Saudi Arabia’s failure to reveal any useful Intelligence about al-Qaeda has been in marked contrast to the co- operation of countries such as Yemen.

Despite arresting 13 al-Qaeda suspects several months ago, the Saudi authorities have not divulged to the Americans any material that could help Western intelligence agencies to unravel the network, the sources said.

Sixteen Saudi al-Qaeda suspects detained by Iran after crossing from Afghanistan had also been handed over to Saudi Arabia. Riyadh has promised that any Intelligence gleaned from the suspects would be passed to the US.

However, the sources said: “All the Saudis are interested in is getting information from suspect al-Qaeda terrorists which relates only to Saudi Arabia’s security. They have not been at all co-operative in seeking answers from suspects which might have some bearing on the international threat posed by al-Qaeda.”

The hierarchy in Saudi Arabia had been “taken by surprise” by the September 11 attacks in America, carried out by 19 hijackers of whom 15 were believed to have been Saudi citizens. Many of the al-Qaeda suspects arrested in Afghanistan and taken to the American interrogation camp at Guantanamo Bay were also Saudis.

Saudi Arabia had also been “deeply involved” with Pakistan in funding the Taleban in Afghanistan, and had financed the “Salafi” Islamic ideological schools in Pakistan at which many Taleban and al-Qaeda fundamentalists had developed their hatred of the West.

Relations with Saudi Arabia were now so poor that there was at present only one issue that could be seen in a positive light, and that was oil. The Saudis supply 17 per cent of America’s oil needs.

“In all other key areas, the Saudis are not being obliging, so in planning for Iraq the Americans have turned to Gulf states they see as real allies, such as Qatar, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain,” the sources said. Britain’s relations with Saudi Arabia have been complicated by the detention of five Britons, found guilty of mounting a bombing campaign in a bootlegging war. The British prisoners allege that they were tortured to make false confessions.

Two emissaries have been sent this year to Riyadh to raise the case with the Saudis. However, the Saudis have shown little interest in discussing what is seen in the Foreign Office as a case of trumped-up charges.


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Golly Andy, Oppee, and Aunt Bee the Saudis are not our friends. Barney better put your bullet in your gun. Tell Gomer he can't pump any more gas from Saudi Arabia the Sponsor of Terrorism.

Get Ernest T. He can throw a rock threw the Arab windows.

It is about time we realized that we are at war with ISALM. Saudi Arabia as revealed last night on the O'Riley factor gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Osama. They even continued the aid after Sep 11. Time to take over the oil fields in Saudi Arabia. If they don't like it let them ride a camel to the UN.

1 posted on 08/14/2002 7:42:38 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: GaryMontana
It is about time we realized that we are at war with ISALM.

Bump!

2 posted on 08/14/2002 7:46:12 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
I wonder if they were ever our friends. I don't think they were.
3 posted on 08/14/2002 7:47:27 PM PDT by Dubya
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To: GaryMontana
Two words: Arms Embargo.
4 posted on 08/14/2002 7:49:05 PM PDT by andy_card
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To: GaryMontana
Yeah, the basta%ds will be just as helpful giving us intelligence information with their current Al-Queda prisoners as they were with the Khobar Towers suspects.
They didn't pass anything and had the prisoners expediently executed.
They're not our friends. Even though we saved their asses, we're Westerners...Infidels.

SOR
5 posted on 08/14/2002 7:50:03 PM PDT by Son of Rooster
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To: Dubya
I never thought they were. The people there are just in the way of something we want and need, namely oil. Get rid of them and the oil is still there. Get rid of them and the culture of the world loses nothing positive-- these people adhere to one on the most negative versions of the top ten negative versions of the human possibilities. The sooner the mohammadan world collapses, the better human life on earth will be. Worthless bunch.
6 posted on 08/14/2002 7:54:05 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: GaryMontana
Saudi Arabia is a terrorist state. When the House of Saud is deposed and the really really fanatic Wahhabists take over, we take the oil fields and send the savages into the desert, where they belong.
7 posted on 08/14/2002 7:54:56 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: GaryMontana
That scene from "Tombstone" just keeps jumping into my head. The Saudis/Ike Clanton talk tough non-stop throughout the movie, but the moment they/he's in danger, he cowers on the ground like a sniveling little coward. The train station scene where Wyatt Earp makes him grovel while warning him that Hell is coming. Well, guess what?

Message from US to Saudi Arabia, "I'm your huckleberry."
8 posted on 08/14/2002 7:55:52 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore)
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To: GaryMontana
The Saudi Army can see what's coming. Why don't they take over from the decadent ones?
9 posted on 08/14/2002 7:56:20 PM PDT by Faraday
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To: GaryMontana
IMO, we ought to pull ALL of our forces OUT of Saudi, let Iraq take it, then go in and kick all their asses.

Kuwait and Qatar, should be our "new allies"...pump money to them AND THEIR PEOPLE, for now

10 posted on 08/14/2002 7:58:13 PM PDT by demsux
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To: mathurine
I agree 110% with you.

In fact to really anger the arabs I am sending food to the Israeli troops.
I bought a month of Pizzas for an Israeli patrol.

http://pizzaidf.org/
11 posted on 08/14/2002 7:58:48 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: GaryMontana
It may well be the begining of the end for Saudi Arabia. It can't survive without US help, and strange things happen when rulers are out of the country.
12 posted on 08/14/2002 7:58:53 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: mikeIII
Once Iraq falls, The House of Saud's days are numbered. The new regime in Iraq will be selling oil like there's no tomorrow. Russia is already tooling up and when Iraq comes on line Saudi can take the 7% of oil they provide us and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Of course if Dipstick Daschole and his fellow dimagogues got off the stick and voted to open up the ANWR, this would happen a lot sooner but its gonna happen.

13 posted on 08/14/2002 8:03:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: GaryMontana
Even Syria ... is talking secretly to the Americans and the British about the role that Damascus may play...

Secretly, eh?

14 posted on 08/14/2002 8:06:04 PM PDT by AM2000
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To: tomahawk
Saudi Arabia is a terrorist state. When the House of Saud is deposed and the really really fanatic Wahhabists take over, we take the oil fields and send the savages into the desert, where they belong.

I completely agree. Time for the political myth -- USA and SA are "friends/allies" -- to go the way of the remains of the World Trade Center. To win any war, the first thing is to identify the enemy. To date Osama, Taliban, Iraq, Iran, Korea are the bit players. The head of the Hydra is Saudi Arabia and the radical Wahabbis. Time to get the gun sights properly aligned, IMO.

15 posted on 08/14/2002 8:06:50 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: andy_card
Two words: Steel Rain
16 posted on 08/14/2002 8:09:27 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: Faraday
Sorry, sir. The Saudi "Army" is incapable of much of anything on their own.Their Air Force is not much better off. They rely on "contractors" to keep it all together and would cut and run at the first indication of attack.

T.E.Lawrence, while a questionable personality at best, had it right about them. He said, "Arabs should not be allowed to conduct either war or government,as both require too much organization for them." Some things just don't change.

17 posted on 08/14/2002 8:15:18 PM PDT by Adrastus
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
You are right.
18 posted on 08/14/2002 8:15:42 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia : USA states 51, 52 and 53.
19 posted on 08/14/2002 8:16:21 PM PDT by lwoodham
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
The head of the Hydra is Saudi Arabia and the radical Wahabbis. Time to get the gun sights properly aligned, IMO.

You nailed it.

20 posted on 08/14/2002 8:22:59 PM PDT by zip
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To: GaryMontana
Saudi hates us. Pragmatism keeps them talking to us. Pragmatism will guide them. If the US appears to be winning against Saddam, then Saudi will align with us. If we appear to making no headway, they will be coy. If we are losing, they will side with Iraq.

It's pretty predictable. They are no friend.

21 posted on 08/14/2002 8:26:03 PM PDT by xzins
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To: GaryMontana
duplicate thread. post comments here
22 posted on 08/14/2002 8:29:43 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: GaryMontana
When does the Bagram Pizza Parlor open, so we can buy our troops pizzas? Perhaps Pizza Hut or Godfathers would be interested in some good PR.
23 posted on 08/14/2002 8:29:51 PM PDT by Kermit
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