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Assignment America: Smoke screens/One of the best articles I have read!
United Press International ^ | 22 August 2002 | John Bloom

Posted on 08/23/2002 5:39:18 PM PDT by SheLion

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To: All
g'night you nicotine stained wretches.

time to go to bed and burn the house down ...

121 posted on 08/23/2002 8:14:26 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat
why are my ears burning ?

I don't know. Are you holding your cigarette in your hand while holding your chin propped in the same hand? ;^)

122 posted on 08/23/2002 8:16:34 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: tomkat
Why just thinking about old aunt jane's endless lavender hugs gives me a little frisson, if you catch my drift.
123 posted on 08/23/2002 8:17:24 PM PDT by metesky
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To: metesky
You know, metesky, I haven't recieved a reply back from, almost, ANY of the folks that I've reponded to.
I consider that a bigger compliment than a flame. IMO, it means that they don't have a responsible considered reply that would refute anything I've said.
124 posted on 08/23/2002 8:20:37 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: SheLion
If every smoker quit, healthcare costs would go down only temporarily and then rise above the amount you are complaining about now, because nonsmokers get sick too and for more years.

Smokers more than make up for their extra cost by dying (their choice-not yours) sooner; collecting less social security and pensions, and less time in nursing homes. The state tax on cigarettes is all gravy. This is all backed up by facts. You should know this if you're going to play with numbers.

How can this be? Especially given that the whole point of the posted article is the opposite and posting smoker after posting smoker has asserted that smoking doesn't harm their health?

I wish the other smokers would stop the denial at least. Smoking is a health hazard.

I'm not trying to impune you, but one of my biggest pet peeves is the smokers that will show up in an area I'm at with my children & then have the gall to start smoking & not be willing to put it out on request.

I don't want to even get into the incidences of rude conduct I've witnessed from nicotine addicts needing a hit.

This is a large part of the reason for the current backlash against smokers now. At least for me. No one here at FR is more in favor of limited gov. than I, but I'm not going thru the rest of my life arguing with nicotine addicts about whether or not they are going to smoke around me & my children. I'm done arguing. You leave or you put it out. MY VOTE! BAN SMOKING!!!!!

126 posted on 08/23/2002 8:25:36 PM PDT by Lester Moore
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To: SheLion
*applause*
127 posted on 08/23/2002 8:25:58 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Just another Joe
They all come over thinking they're going to show you something new. Discovering the folly of their ways, they move on, change their screen names and come back trying to disrupt a different subset of Freepers.

All in all, a pretty easy nights work.

Way past my bedtime, Joe.

128 posted on 08/23/2002 8:27:46 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Steve Eisenberg
**** Also mythical are almost all claims linking diet and health. ****

Well that's quite a statement. Could you give us some details. I really want to know. I promise not to flame you.
129 posted on 08/23/2002 8:28:21 PM PDT by mercy
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To: Lester Moore
MY VOTE! BAN SMOKING!!!!!

Your vote supports totalitarianism and a police state.
Not calling you a totalitarian. Just trying to get you to see that if you give the government the ability to ban a legal activity on private property you are just asking for them to control everything that goes on in your home, office, car, etc.

130 posted on 08/23/2002 8:29:42 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: metesky
You're not from Tombstone are ya, Les?

No, but the outlaws are.

131 posted on 08/23/2002 8:30:42 PM PDT by Lester Moore
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To: Lester Moore
Lester, this is your choice, and it doesn't effect me in the slightest. If you would throw your wife out for such little cause, she must not mean much to you anyway.

Why don't you have the same attitude toward the rest of us that I have for you? Live and let live. Why do you anti's want, so much, to run others lives? Truely, I'm curious about this.

132 posted on 08/23/2002 8:30:54 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: mercy
It's just a little thing but it will give you the general idea.

The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The French eat a lot of fat and also suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Japanese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
The Italians drink excessive amounts of red wine and also suffer fewer heart attacks than the British or Americans.
CONCLUSION: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you

133 posted on 08/23/2002 8:32:55 PM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: Lester Moore
You leave or you put it out Wow!! Maybe you ought to think about leaving the smoking area. I would never expose a child to smoke but if you bring your kid in a smoking area, then tell a smoker to put his cigarette out, it could be hazardous to YOUR health. If you are talking about the great outdoors, then move a few feet away. BTW, we pay taxes up the wazoo everytime we buy a pack. If the government doesn't put those taxes towards healthcare, that's their (our) problem. Take it up with them. Up until the seventies, stars would smoke in movies and on stage. Dean Martin comes to mind. Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Lana Turner, Kim Novak....it was in then. Good for you for not having any vices.
134 posted on 08/23/2002 8:34:46 PM PDT by Jaidyn
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To: Lester Moore
That vein on your forehead doesn't look to good when it's throbbing like that.

Are you saying that if I was in a public park that allowed smoking and you and the ankle biters swept in (or rather hove in, as your sails seem pretty full), that I would have to put out the butt or leave the public park?

Bwahahaha!

135 posted on 08/23/2002 8:34:52 PM PDT by metesky
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To: fellowpatriot
Well, (with a screen name like Dawgs of War) you don't suppose he could be a disruptor, do you?

Hey, I really like that Pink Floyd song. I might've chosen that name if it had been playing while I was trying to think of my FR name. =^)

136 posted on 08/23/2002 8:35:52 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Sungirl
ooh ooh .... you just reminded me. (running to turn on the FAU fan in the house)

My office was filling with great blue plooms of second hand cigar smoke and I too have severe asthma. I'm on Seravent and Flovent. How bout you?

I probalby should only smoke outdoors but life without cigars is not really life.
137 posted on 08/23/2002 8:36:27 PM PDT by mercy
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To: BushMeister
I can't believe this smoker circle-jerk. Do you people believe that smoking is hazardous to a smoker's health, in the very least, or not? I can't imagine you don't.

You can tell in the first sentence someone writes whether or not he's a nico-Nazi. Why is that? What makes anti-smokers so mean and nasty? Smoking is a RISK, just like many other things people enjoy doing that others consider less than optimal. So what?

By extension, if the mechanism for transmitting the harmful elements into a smoker's body result from LIGHTING CARCINOGENS ON FIRE AND INHALING THEM, I don't want to be around you when you're doing that.

Due to the fact that smokers are far nicer and more interesting than any anti-smoker (as opposed to nonsmoker), I don't want to be around you at any time and I can't imagine any other smokers does either. So stay out of places that permit smoking and we'll all be happy.

Sure, we can discuss other issues of exposure, build-up, etc., but I reject the notion that second-hand smoke is harmless.

Reject it all you want, but you can't prove what you believe. On the other hand, literally decades of experience, a lot of study, and an ordinary amount of common sense proves to me you're wrong.

I also am amazed by the mothers crowing about their failure to stop smoking while pregnant.

Why? Did any of them suffer the dire consequences you seem ready to guarantee? Women have smoked while pregnant for generations and the species has survived quite well. We're the healthiest, longest-lived group in history and we were exposed to the most environmental tobacco smoke.

138 posted on 08/23/2002 8:38:01 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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To: metesky
Your pathetic attempt at humor in discussing a dead 2 year old proves that you are a moron.
139 posted on 08/23/2002 8:38:31 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: isthisnickcool
MEMO FROM HILLARY CLINTON
To: Bill
Date: Several Year Ago
RE: Big Tobacco

It sure feels like the attacks on "Big Tobacco" were around long before the Clintons. Their propaganda machine is VERY good. :^/

140 posted on 08/23/2002 8:38:36 PM PDT by Teacher317
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