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HEY, SADDAM, CIRCLE NOV. 30 - WE'RE COMING TO GET YOU
New York Post ^ | 8/30/02 | URI DAN and NILES LATHEM

Posted on 08/30/2002 12:42:09 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:08:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

August 30, 2002 -- The United States will launch its all-out attack to oust - and kill - Saddam Hussein by Nov. 30, according to a new report.

Israeli military sources, quoted by the respected Israeli newspaper Maariv, disclosed that a U.S. military delegation revealed the outline of the plans in briefings with Israeli and Jordanian military officers.


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1 posted on 08/30/2002 12:42:09 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The United States will launch its all-out attack to oust - and kill - Saddam Hussein by Nov. 30

How sneaky of us. Should we broadcast the exact position and troop sizes too?

2 posted on 08/30/2002 12:48:58 AM PDT by spodefly
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To: kattracks
LOL, the disinformation campaign never stops.
Saddam, and more importantly his military officers, must be pooping themselves. I mean, they have been waiting for the imminent attack for nearly a year now. They can't have any nerves left.

I think we go in on September 14th. Just a guess.

3 posted on 08/30/2002 12:50:02 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kattracks
September 7 is the day. A new moon and it will mean US troops are killing Arabs on Sept 11.
4 posted on 08/30/2002 12:54:21 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: kattracks
Well, if you can't dazzle 'em with what ye know, baffle 'em with bullsnot.
5 posted on 08/30/2002 12:54:32 AM PDT by piasa
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To: kattracks
...a U.S. military delegation revealed the outline of the plans in briefings with Israeli and Jordanian military officers.

Yeah, Bush's telling the Jordanians our war plans, months in advance. The U.S. Congress and many of Bush's inner circle, however, is being kept in the dark.

We can only imagine the reportorial skill involved in scooping an important, difficult story like this one. It's the most important piece of news since we learned the CIA crashed the jets into the WTC.

6 posted on 08/30/2002 1:15:30 AM PDT by Timm
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To: Timm
Nothing wrong with throwing a few fake passes...

One just might be the real thing...
7 posted on 08/30/2002 2:53:08 AM PDT by DB
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To: kattracks
I was kind of hoping we'd launch the attack on my birthday.
8 posted on 08/30/2002 2:53:52 AM PDT by Shenandoah
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To: kattracks
I hope this was designed to help the Israelis test for leaks.
9 posted on 08/30/2002 3:33:23 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: kattracks
Rock the (Iraqi) Casbah! During the new moon.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html#y2002

 

2002 Phases of the Moon

Universal Time (Greenwich mean time)


      NEW MOON    FIRST QUARTER        FULL MOON     LAST QUARTER

       d  h  m          d  h  m          d  h  m          d  h  m

                                                   JAN.   6  3 55
JAN.  13 13 29   JAN.  21 17 46   JAN.  28 22 50   FEB.   4 13 33
FEB.  12  7 41   FEB.  20 12 02   FEB.  27  9 17   MAR.   6  1 24
MAR.  14  2 02   MAR.  22  2 28   MAR.  28 18 25   APR.   4 15 29
APR.  12 19 21   APR.  20 12 48   APR.  27  3 00   MAY    4  7 16
MAY   12 10 45   MAY   19 19 42   MAY   26 11 51   JUNE   3  0 05
JUNE  10 23 46   JUNE  18  0 29   JUNE  24 21 42   JULY   2 17 19
JULY  10 10 26   JULY  17  4 47   JULY  24  9 07   AUG.   1 10 22
AUG.   8 19 15   AUG.  15 10 12   AUG.  22 22 29   AUG.  31  2 31
SEPT.  7  3 10   SEPT. 13 18 08   SEPT. 21 13 59   SEPT. 29 17 03
OCT.   6 11 18   OCT.  13  5 33   OCT.  21  7 20   OCT.  29  5 28
NOV.   4 20 34   NOV.  11 20 52   NOV.  20  1 34   NOV.  27 15 46
DEC.   4  7 34   DEC.  11 15 49   DEC.  19 19 10   DEC.  27  0 31

10 posted on 08/30/2002 3:42:31 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Lion's Cub
Not the Israelis, IMHO. This sounds more like it came from Hussein himself... the idea being to make a very big deal about Israel being a 'partner' in an imminent attack on Iraq in order to anger muslims and rally them around Iraq.
11 posted on 08/30/2002 3:47:31 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Lancey Howard
I agree..these reports gotta have Saddam's panties in a wad.

"One way or another, gonna getcha..
gonna getcha, getcha, getcha, getcha...."

12 posted on 08/30/2002 3:54:19 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: Lancey Howard
I heard someone mention on FNC this morning about Pres. Bush speaking to the UN ( A$&*@#!$) on Sept. 12th.
13 posted on 08/30/2002 4:25:12 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: piasa
This sounds more like it came from Hussein himself... the idea being to make a very big deal about Israel being a 'partner' in an imminent attack on Iraq in order to anger muslims and rally them around Iraq.

Actually, you could well be right. The several references to killing Saddam most likely didn't come from the west. It might be an objective, but it would never be discussed, except by a select few, and certainly not with allies beyond heads of state.

14 posted on 08/30/2002 4:45:05 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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To: Shenandoah
My birthday is Nov 24th *L* When is yours?
15 posted on 08/30/2002 5:32:15 AM PDT by Severa
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To: dennisw
Two options I would love to see. Hit him 9/11...wouldn't that be sweeeeeeet...or hit him 11/4 the day before the elections...that would get the people in a patriotic mood...whadyathink? Semper Fi
16 posted on 08/30/2002 5:40:34 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Lancey Howard
When Saddam opened his piehole and said he was sending $25,000 checks to the families of suicide bombers, He signed his own death warrant. If one or more of his Generals don't OFF him........ we will. I'm betting that Saddam's military leaders are not looking forward to another spanking from our forces and in order to save themselves from the inevidable..... One of them will gin up enough courage to organize a hit sqaud and snuff out Saddam and his inner circle. I just hope they drag Saddam out in the street and 86 him in front of his countryman
17 posted on 08/30/2002 5:47:44 AM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Straight Vermonter
Have we got a pool going on this?
18 posted on 08/30/2002 5:55:47 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Lancey Howard
September 14th. Just a guess

Nawww-

In order to avoid being screamed at by Democrats & the press, Bush will not order the attack until after the Nov elections.

Don't get me wrong, I love the man, but he's more committed to his "new tone" than to doing what's best for the country.

The press and the Dems would scream bloody murder that the attack was timed to best impact the Nov elections. It wasn't even considered that all of Clintoon's military actions were politically timed.

19 posted on 08/30/2002 6:03:51 AM PDT by MrB
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To: Straight Vermonter
Betcha it ain't:-) What I see happening here is that these leaks are getting more specific...and I think we are trying to goade maddas into attacking first...then we don't have any of these "problems" with allies. Just a hunch. If he does not...we will not attack until next year (January). Ramadan starts Nov 5th and continues until Dec 4th. I don't see us attacking during ramadan.
20 posted on 08/30/2002 6:04:18 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Lancey Howard
Folks this is either dis-information or propaganda
21 posted on 08/30/2002 6:13:58 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: MrB
You are correct about them screaming about the timing...and you know what? They would be right. We screamed bloody murder everytime Clinton did it (and we were right)...and now some suggest we do the same thing: Use the military for political gain.

Being a 16 year member of the military...I didn't like being used that way before...and would not like it this time. As conservatives...we have to do right and show the other side what IS right...rather than be hypocrites. Those here on FR that are suggesting a start of the war to boost the elections are hypocrites and would ahve a cow if this was algore and the same thing was happening. It's just like how many on this site get ticked at the left for name calling and being generally...degenerate...but we do the same thing...how many Reno jokes can you name:-)

So...no...no war to coincide with the elections. We would decry such political posturing but we think it is OK when WE do it? Sorry...but some need to stop being hypocrites and lead by example.

22 posted on 08/30/2002 6:15:07 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: TheGunny
As I said before...I think they are trying to make Saddam insane even more crazy with all these leaks. I expect to see even more leaks about how many of his top-level generals are going to work with the US and depose him (so he can knock them off). I think this is aimed at getting him to attack first...thereby stopping all the talk about going it alone....reasons...blah blah blah.
23 posted on 08/30/2002 6:17:35 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
How about trusting your CIC to do what's right for the military and the country without consideration of the political gain/fallout?

My concern is not that Bush will use a military strike to boost the election chances. My concern is that he will not attack out of fear of being accused of such.

24 posted on 08/30/2002 6:24:08 AM PDT by MrB
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To: NELSON111
A war for Christmas might be nice. Ramadan ends early in Dec. I vote for the first new moon after Ramadan. But we do need a betting pool.
25 posted on 08/30/2002 6:26:40 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: cajungirl
December 4 is my day,,the end of Ramadan, a new moon, will disrupt Christmas shopping. Hannakah is Dec 7 and it will give the Jews something to celebrate about. I like that date!!! If Saddam doesn't get offed by his buddies before then. That gives the Iraquis past their Nov deadline to kill him, and if they don't, well Merry Christmas from all of us to all of you.
26 posted on 08/30/2002 6:29:34 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: MrB
Hey...I trust him...try reading my post again.

My post is aimed at all the freepers who are suggesting we do it at that time so that we might gain politically. There are posts about this all over the place. THAT is what I am talking about. I know Bush will do the right thing and I know it won't be political. What gets me upset is all the freepers who are suggesting we do this so we can have a good election...when if clinton/gore had done the same thing they would have a stroke. THAT is what I was saying.

27 posted on 08/30/2002 6:33:43 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
OK, we agree.
28 posted on 08/30/2002 6:35:36 AM PDT by MrB
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To: MrB
I also agree with your last sentence...he will not attack because of the threat of bein accused of it...of course...if saddam strikes first...all bets are off.
29 posted on 08/30/2002 6:39:08 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: dennisw
What does "d" "h" "m" mean? My birthday is on Nov. 4. The death of Saddam would be an awfully nice present for me. Reagan was elected on my birtday when I turned 10, so this would be a nice addition to the "important things that happened on my birthday" list. =)
30 posted on 08/30/2002 6:53:38 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: kattracks
If Bush is going to send in military he will do so on a timetable that is best for military success regardless of poltical timing, religious holidays, or aniversaries.
31 posted on 08/30/2002 6:54:16 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: kattracks
One of the most blatantly misleading, bogus, horsecrap editorials I have ever seen...this is not the way it will happen
32 posted on 08/30/2002 6:58:39 AM PDT by Lynn
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To: Aggie Mama
What does "d" "h" "m" mean?
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Day
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The hour is Greenwich mean time meaning 5 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time.
33 posted on 08/30/2002 7:09:13 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Thanks!
34 posted on 08/30/2002 7:15:33 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: kattracks
What moron believes that we'd print this date and tell Saddam, hey! circle it on your calendar!

F&F this morning was doing a phone poll on the 11/30 date. Please.

If anything, we'll be moping up by then. I'm still holding to September.

35 posted on 08/30/2002 8:00:55 AM PDT by mhking
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To: cajungirl
Right in the middle of Ramadan would be interesting, especially if there is an increasing amount of hype about the necessity of avoiding that great religious holiday because we don't like to step on other folks' religious celebrations and because we want all the arabs and domestic lefties to like us for being so considerate.
36 posted on 08/30/2002 8:52:14 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: NELSON111
goade maddas into attacking first...

We would have to place a unit or an apparently very important installation in a very exposed position to get him to hit first. He would have to think he can load US up with an "unacceptable " number of casualties in a surprise attack.

37 posted on 08/30/2002 8:55:39 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus
Or...we get him to attack Israel.....
38 posted on 08/30/2002 8:58:24 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
if clinton/gore had done the same thing they would have a stroke

My complaint against BC timing military action for political effect was that it was unwarranted military action, that the primary or only purpose of the action was for political effect.

39 posted on 08/30/2002 8:59:40 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: All
They said this last year, that we would not do anything during Ramadan (ram-it-in), and we went right ahead and attacked before that, and all during that, in Afghanistan.

Ramadan begins at the new moon in November, some Nov. 4, and lasts thru some Dec 3/4. We had better go in in force before that begins.

40 posted on 08/30/2002 9:00:28 AM PDT by crystalk
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To: kattracks
"According to what we read and hear, the attack might take place between the end of this year and the beginning of next year," he said.

Cool. Midnight in the garden of war and peace.

41 posted on 08/30/2002 9:03:54 AM PDT by js1138
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To: dennisw
Thanks for the chart. I am calling it for DEC. 04.

Ground troops a month after.

42 posted on 08/30/2002 9:05:03 AM PDT by mware
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To: mware
Thanks for the chart. I am calling it for DEC. 04. 

The darkness of the new moon is good for one or two days on either side of it. If it's cloudy three days before the new moon this would be a good night to commence fire. Most especially if the forecast is for clouds the next night too. So for your center pivot December 4th date it has possibilities for December 1, 2, 3, 4.

Obviously better to act in the day(s) before the full moon than the day(s) after

43 posted on 08/30/2002 9:23:50 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Good point dennis. Looks like this is going to be starting right after Thanksgiving.
44 posted on 08/30/2002 9:52:41 AM PDT by mware
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To: nina0113
Have we got a pool going on this?

Check out the Attack on Iraq Betting Pool

45 posted on 08/30/2002 9:58:06 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: kattracks

Bullsh!t


46 posted on 08/30/2002 10:37:47 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: cajungirl
" if they don't [ kill Saddam], well Merry Christmas from all of us to all of you."


48 posted on 08/30/2002 12:59:42 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Severa
Nov. 11
49 posted on 08/31/2002 1:28:39 PM PDT by Shenandoah
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