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New mapping drops Biscuit fire below half-million-acre mark (Oregon still burning)
Oregon Live/AP ^
| 30 August 2002
| Jeff Barnard
Posted on 08/30/2002 9:54:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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So are we witnessing a little revising of history here to get the total area burned/burning of the Biscuit Fire down below 500,000 acres?
Naah, the Card Carrying Green Enviros who sit on their Keysters and play Florist Circus Klowns, would never do that.
To: AuntB; EBUCK; blackie; wanderin; Granof8; justshe; Salvation; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...
This is the Oregon is still burning thread for today. I didn't get one as I spent the morning on another thread and then went fishing. This is the thread that a lot of you are aware, and others may not be:
(Link to Thread where Grampa Dave was yesterday)
To: madfly; backhoe; farmfriend; WaterDragon
This is the Oregon is still burning thread for today. I didn't get one posted yesterday, as I spent the morning on another thread and then went fishing. This is the thread that a lot of you are aware, and others may not be:
(Link to Thread where Grampa Dave was yesterday)
To: BOBTHENAILER; AAABEST; sauropod; countrydummy
Good morning! Fyi! Oregon is still burning and we may be seeing some re defining the size of the Biscuit Fire.
To: Jeff Head; d14truth; Carry_Okie
Gentlemen, I thought that you might be interested in possibly something new from the left wingers in the Floristry Service.
I know that it will come as a shock to you. This may be some lefty revising of reality.
Jeff, you know the left would never revise history.
To: Grampa Dave
KURY radio this morning reports the containment date has been rolled back to September 4 because of activity on the fire. There is still a spike camp at the Gardner Ranch although the Wilderness Retreat area is off the pre-evac notice this morning.
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:05:35 AM PDT
by
Granof8
To: Granof8
Please, let us know where the non containment areas are, if you hear.
To: Grampa Dave
FORD SORRY FOR DONATION
CURRY COASTAL PILOT
Published: August 28, 2002
The regional manager of Ford Motor Co. sales met with Brookings-Harbor officials Tuesday to apologize for a $5 million contribution the firm made to the Audubon Society.
"We thought we were putting money toward bird watching," said Larry Gregorson, head of Ford's sales division in the Pacific Northwest. "We ended up making a contribution that was not considerate of our base of customers."
The session with Gregorson was organized by Les Walker, owner of the Brookings-Harbor Ford dealership, and Bill Ferry, spokesman for the Rural Resources Alliance, which is being organized among the timber, farming and fishing industries.
Attending were nearly 20 representatives of the Port of Brookings Harbor, Brookings-Harbor Chamber of Commerce, City of Brookings and a few fishermen and farmers.
When Port Manager Russ Crabtree said he knew of five commercial fishermen who planned to switch from Ford trucks to other brands, Gregorson acknowledged the problem.
"We know we made a mistake, and we're owning up to that," he said. "We're trying to repair the damage and we don't want it to happen again."
Gregorson told them the controversial donation from the company's Ford Fund provoked an outcry from Ford's customers in the natural resource industries. That, in turn, has resulted in major changes in the way the firm considers donations in the future.
"You who use Ford trucks are the backbone of our base of customers," Gregorson said. "To have done something that offended our customers was unacceptable."
Instead of dwelling on the Audubon donation, he pointed instead to contributions the Ford Fund does make to rural-based programs, including Future Farmers of America for high school youth, a program called Provider Pals educating urban youth about natural resource industries, and Ford Country Scholars to provide college scholarships in rural areas of 11 states.
In the wake of the contribution, Gregorson said the sales division is now involved in decisions on Ford Fund contributions, relying in turn on information from dealers.
Local officials told Gregorson about what they called the ongoing attack on natural resource industries by some environmental groups like the Audubon Society.
Transferred last March from Philadelphia to Seattle, Gregorson told them "the whole natural resource thing is not big in the media in the Northeast or the Midwest. ... Until you get to the Northwest, you really don't understand the problem."
And, he warned, Ford has to be careful about alienating other customers with its donations or positions.
"The same groups attacking you are attacking us," he explained. "It's why we look primarily at education. It's the root of the problem; it's lack of understanding and lack of communication that cause the problem."
Walker praised Gregorson for coming to Brookings and urged area residents to spend less energy on small local arguments so that they have more resources for the larger lobbying effort that is necessary. "If we just take this little group here, we've got a start."
"The best thing you can do is keep me apprised," Gregorson told the group. "Your view needs to be brought up and it needs to be counted."
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:08:21 AM PDT
by
Granof8
To: Grampa Dave
Bump to the top!
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:12:01 AM PDT
by
Salvation
To: Grampa Dave
Eco-wars bump
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:12:45 AM PDT
by
AAABEST
To: Grampa Dave
A downward revision of 288 acres is news?
A 0.06% change?
Somebody got paid our tax money to run the numbers again, write a press release, contact the reporters, and for what?
To: All
This is the latest NOAA picture of the Oregon Fires.
This is interesting to how the smoke from the Tiller and Apple fires going a little south and mainly east. While the smoke from the Biscuit fire is head a little west and south. We had smoke in the Kali upper/North wine country yesterday afternoon. It never got here until later at night with the coastal winds and after dark you could smell smoke.
To: Grampa Dave
Looks like it is the upper Pistol River close to the Gardner Ranch, and the Mislatnah Creek area down toward the Chetco.
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:18:45 AM PDT
by
Granof8
To: Carry_Okie
As usual you are right on target. When I saw that refigured acres to drop the total burned by 288 acres, (I didn't even bother to calculate the 0.06% change that you did), I had the same questions that you did.
There has too be some reason for trying to keep this fire below 500,000 acres, so they are recalculating or skewering the data.
I guess that 499,780 acres burnt is Politically and probably diversity correct. If it gets over 500,000 acres, some Americans might pay attention to it for a minute or two.
To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; Fish out of Water; ...
Grampa Dave ping!
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08/30/2002 10:26:26 AM PDT
by
madfly
To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
To: Granof8; AAABEST; Carry_Okie; EBUCK; blackie; BOBTHENAILER
Thanks for posting this article of Ford actually apologizing for the donation to the Audubon Society, which in turn spends that money to rurally cleanse the Ford Pickup, trucks and SUV owners working for a living on the Oregon Coast and other areas.
When more Americans learn how to use their purchase $'s as weapons in our wars against the left wing and the enviralist demons, we will start to see changes.
If you don't mind, I will repost that as a separate thread if you don't want to.
To: Grampa Dave; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; ...
http://www.fs.fed.us/news/fire/morning_report.htm
Morning Report Current Wildland Fire Situation
Friday, August 30, 2002 0930 EDT
National Preparedness Level 4
Play Your Part Safely, There Are No Curtain Calls For Unsafe Acts!!
Nationally, 235 new fires were reported. Two new large fires (a fire greater than 500 acres in size) were reported, one in Oregon and one in Utah. Three large fires were contained*. Very high to extreme fire danger was reported in Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.
* Containment indicates a non-burnable trail was constructed around the entire perimeter of the fire.
Fireline Headlines
Yesterday, approximately 13,902 people were supporting firefighting efforts on 19 wildland fires exceeding 500 acres in size. Currently there are five fires listed on this report that are being managed for resource benefits by fire use teams. According the latest US Drought Monitor, monsoon rainfall across Arizona and New Mexico has been scattered and light, and has resulted in no net change in existing drought conditions. This is resulting in large late season wildfires throughout the southwest.
This report is based on the daily Incident Management Situation Report released at the National Interagency Fire Center (NIFC) in Boise Idaho. All wildland fires in forested areas greater than 100 acres and in grassland areas greater than 300 acres are reported in the NIFC Situation Report. For the ease of our readers, this Morning Report only includes wildland fires greater than 500 acres. These are generally the fires that threaten homes, businesses, public and private property, and areas of special interest to our readers.
Summary of Fire Activity Across the United States
Fire Activity |
Yesterday |
Year to Date |
2000 yr to Date |
10 yr Average to Date |
Number of Fires |
235 |
62,090 |
------ |
63,443 |
Acres Burned |
9,012 |
6,302,166 |
6,359,395 |
3,121,150 |
All figures from NIFC websites www.nifc.gov/ and www.cidi.org/wildfire/
Resources Committed
Crews (20 persons) |
Engines (5 persons) |
Helicopters (7 persons) |
Airtankers (2 persons) |
Overhead |
Total Personnel |
335 |
548 |
128 |
30 |
3,536 |
13,902 |
Regional Large Fires (500 acres or greater) are summarized below; for more detailed information on any specific fire, visit: http://www.nifc.gov
Northwest Area Oregon, Washington http://www.or.blm.gov/nwcc
Oregon: The Biscuit Fire is located 26 miles southwest of Grants Pass in the Siskiyou and Six Rivers National Forests. Fireline rehabilitation and mop-up are underway on the east and south perimeters. Moderate fire behavior was observed along the west and northwest flanks. The fire made a run made in the Mislantah Creek drainage on the west perimeter producing numerous spot fires. Dozers constructed fireline in that area. Firefighters are experiencing moderate fire behavior in heavy timber from the Apple Fire, 21 miles east of Glide. Structure protection remains in place for twenty residences. The Tiller Complex Fire, 25 miles east of Canyonville, consists of eight large and numerous small fires. The complex is seeing some moderate fire behavior in grass, brush, and timber. Aerial ignition to burn out interior islands is continuing. Structure protection is in place for sixty-seven homes. The Oliver Fire, a new fire in the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, has been contained.
Washington: The Quartz Mt. Complex Fire, northwest of Winthrop, is burning within the Pasayten Wilderness and is being managed for resource benefits in a monitor status. Active fire behavior was observed in lodgepole pine and subalpine fir. Three administrative sites are being protected.
Incident Name |
State |
*Lead Agency |
Size (acres) |
Percent Contained |
Estimate of Containment |
Personnel |
Structures Lost |
Biscuit |
OR |
FS |
499,780 |
90 |
8/31 |
3,144 |
13 |
Tiller Complex |
OR |
FS |
68,686 |
85 |
9/2 |
1,481 |
0 |
Apple |
OR |
FS |
11,000 |
70 |
9/5 |
1,114 |
0 |
Quartz Mt. Complex |
WA |
FS |
1,160 |
0 |
Unknown |
28 |
0 |
Oliver |
OR |
FWS |
862 |
100 |
--- |
0 |
0 |
Southwest Area Arizona and New Mexico http://www.fs.fed.us/r3/fire:
Arizona: The Trick Fire, 17 miles southwest of Williams, had moderate fire behavior in ponderosa pine and brush. The fire has burned into the Sycamore Canyon Wilderness Area. Crews are constructing indirect line in preparation for a burnout operation. Steep, inaccessible terrain and limited water resources are slowing containment efforts. The Pack Rat Fire Complex, eight miles east of Pine, is composed of the Pack Rat and 5 Mile fires. The fire received precipitation yesterday, and fire activity has moderated in ponderosa pine, mixed conifer, and chaparral. This allowed crews to make good progress in constructing fireline
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:37:57 AM PDT
by
madfly
To: Grampa Dave
Go ahead and post it as a separate thread, sounds good to me.
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posted on
08/30/2002 10:44:07 AM PDT
by
Granof8
To: Grampa Dave
When you talk about differences that small, you are in the realm of subjectivity regarding what burned and what didn't. They are reading the thickness of lines.
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