The tower 'jumpers' were murdered

The Irish Independent ^ | September 8, 2002 | Declan McCormack

[inquest]

When I think of the jumpers I wonder why we simply haven't nuked the entire midEast yet.

Mmmm, maybe because there are many people there who are no more guilty of their government's policies then the jumpers were of their government's policies?

Sorry, did I just violate one of the posting rules?

[Senator_Palpatine]

>>>>>>The Saudi monarchy might hate such an emergence of democratic and representative government in its wretchedly ill-ruled region, but Washington understandably cares less and less for the concerns of a dubious ally whose nationals formed the bulk of the Sept. 11 terrorists.>>>>>>>

This is quite clear...it was a Saudi invasion... We will never forget.....

[inflorida]

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but are you insinuating that our government's policies brought on these attacks?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

When I see pictures of people falling from the towers I cannot help but remember the words of another soldier who took up the sword against so called "peaceful" terrorists.
"KILL THEM ALL. NITS MAKE LICE".

[inquest]

I'm saying that regardless of whether or not our government's policies towards the region were ethical (and I would say there are legitimate criticisms that can be made of it), it did not in any way justify the murder of innocent civilians on Sept. 11. My point is that likewise, those attacks do not justify any retaliatory murder of innocent civilians elsewhere.

I want to see the organizers and perpetrators of the attack killed, preferably painfully, along with all others who might be planning similar or worse atrocities against us. I'm asking that people acknowledge, at least in principle, the difference between guilt and innocence.

[skeeter]

I'm saying that regardless of whether or not our government's policies towards the region were ethical (and I would say there are legitimate criticisms that can be made of it), it did not in any way justify the murder of innocent civilians on Sept. 11.

Another self righteous type taking an understandable expression of emotion as an opportunity to either a)flog their ideological opposition or b)demonstrate their superior intellect. Disgusting.

[sinkspur]

My point is that likewise, those attacks do not justify any retaliatory murder of innocent civilians elsewhere.

If, in targeting terrorists, some innocent civilians die (as they've done in Afghanistan), then the fault for that lies with the government that harbors terrorists.

Wringing our hands over a few dead innocents when our very survival is at stake is out of proportion, it seems to me.

As far as innocents are concerned, we do what we can. As far as terrorists are concerned, we do what we MUST!

[Wondervixen]

If nothing else, this article brings to my heart the dire need to make not just the murderers of the Middle East pay, but to make those of our own nation who shamelessly, brainlessly, and (above all) gutlessly open their pathetic bleeding hearts in support of the poor, defenseless BIN LADENITES whom our own "Great Satan" government appears to want to harm over something it brought on itself!

The Commiecrat Liberals who sympathize with and offer justification for the Jihad, and who blame their own United States of America, deserve the most gruesome deaths of all of those we dish it out to over this attrocity. THEY, are the Great Satan!!!

[Behind Liberal Lines]

maybe [we simply haven't nuked the entire midEast yet] because there are many people there who are no more guilty of their government's policies then the jumpers were of their government's policies?

Under your logic, as there are people in every nation whom "are no more guilty of their government's policies then the jumpers were of their government's policies," we shouldn't bomb any nation that attacks us (or harbors a terrorist group that attacks us)?

[inquest]

Another self righteous type taking an understandable expression of emotion as an opportunity to either a)flog their ideological opposition or b)demonstrate their superior intellect. Disgusting.

Or how 'bout c)speak up for innocents. Obviously somebody's gotta do it around here. And I don't have any problem at the expressions of rage. I just want the rage to be directed at the right targets. What's so disgusting about that?

[inquest]

As far as innocents are concerned, we do what we can. As far as terrorists are concerned, we do what we MUST!

I agree with that sentiment completely. It's just that the poster I was responding to seemed to actually want to target civilians.

[cake_crumb]

"Jumping under these circumstances is not suicide. When you know you're going to die whatevery you do, you have the right to choose the least painful way to die."

Yep. 9-11: never forget.

[inquest]

Under your logic, as there are people in every nation whom "are no more guilty of their government's policies then the jumpers were of their government's policies," we shouldn't bomb any nation that attacks us (or harbors a terrorist group that attacks us)?

Not indiscriminately. I agree there are certain things we have to do. Nuking isn't one of them - and certainly not nuking the entire region. That's nothing but a feel-good option that would be completely bereft of any sort of moral principle. Sorry if I'm delving into abstract concepts here, but such things mean something to me and to plenty of other Americans too.

[cake_crumb]

"What a pointless article. Or a braindead writer."

...Or a member of the leftist "intellectual elite", which is redundant.

[Guillermo]

And the solution?

More Tolerance, Diversity and Muslim Immigration.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

I must admit that my "nuke" comment was more an expression of frustration than a serious foreign policy suggestion. However, I think you are being overly generous in spirit to the "civilian" population of these countries and whether they share their leaders' views. There has been plenty of coverage over the years of how the rank and file are taught, through religion and otherwise, to hate America with a passion.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

I never read such a heart rendering story in my life. The excerpt that you published fails to say if she survived or not. Her injuries sounded like she did not, but I was wondering if she made it or not.

[colorado tanker]

The law considers this murder. Its called a depraved-heart homicide, when the actions of the perp drive the victim to suicide. Oh so knowledgable and sophisticated Europeans, particularly from another common law jurisdiction, should know this.

[Aquinasfan]

Jumping under these circumstances is not suicide. When you know you're going to die whatevery you do, you have the right to choose the least painful way to die.

Absolutely.

[Aquinasfan]

We saw a similar nightmare in Sao Paulo Brazil in 1974

I saw that when I was twelve and will never forget it. The media did us a disservice in not showing people falling out of the building. (As long as they couldn't be identified by loved ones).