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Senate Still Too Close to Call; Dems Need Minor Miracle in the House! (My title)
Center for Politics ^ | 9/13/2002 | Larry Sabato

Posted on 09/13/2002 7:13:40 PM PDT by LS

Larry Sabato, University of Virginia Political Scientists with a pretty good track record, has the following (the briefest summary: please go to his site, as he has EVERY race analyzed!)

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/ (Maybe someone can actually post the link?)

Senate is too close to call. The Dems could have a net gain of 2, the GOP could have a net gain of 2. He has moved the Torch into the endangered category; has Talent leading; but has Thune and Hutchinson trailing. Cleland could be vulnerable, but not likely. He moved NH back more toward the GOP. Wellstone in trouble, Dole considered safe, and NH now considered safer for GOP.

He now has the edge going to the GOP in TEXAS, so the key races will be SD and ARK. If Hutch holds, and Thune wins, the GOP could be up by more than 2 seats---and I have said for months they need three to keep Chaffee from bolting.

In the House, he has the GOP ahead with 216 safe or leaning seats. Get this: 15 are "up for grabs." That means that the Dems must take 9/15 to take back the House. On the other hand, if the GOP just wins about half, it INCREASES its majority.

Best news of all? All this analysis was done prior to the events this week. No Iraq, no UN speech. Sabato based this on the infamous "kitchen table" issues that are about to go out the window!

I will repeat MY earlier prediction that, with just a few races breaking the right way, we could have a 4-5 vote lead in the Senate and 10-15 margin in the House!


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; house; senate
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1 posted on 09/13/2002 7:13:40 PM PDT by LS
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To: LS; jwalsh07
Sabato just reads my posts here at FR, and cribs them. That much is clear. :)
2 posted on 09/13/2002 7:15:13 PM PDT by Torie
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To: LS
I don't think we need to worry about Chaffee anymore... It seems Chaffee is upset about the judiciary committee not allowing nominations to the full senate floor...
3 posted on 09/13/2002 7:17:37 PM PDT by marajade
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To: LS
Sabato based this on the infamous "kitchen table" issues

The kitchen table just got thrown out with the kitchen sink.

4 posted on 09/13/2002 7:17:41 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: LS
Two months is a L O N G T I M E in politics!

I hope the Dim's have a lot to fear, but it is too soon to tell.

5 posted on 09/13/2002 7:18:33 PM PDT by keithtoo
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To: Torie
Where do you put Torricelli after the debate last evening? I saw him as defensive and obnoxious. But maybe that is what they like in New Jersey! I was impressed with Forrester but felt he should have defended his own record, in terms of the allegations against him from Torch. Plus why doesn't he disclose his financial background more? That would bother me a bit, esp. in the latest environment of CEO corruption. It wouldn't hurt him to disclose more and fight back against the allegations of corruption!
6 posted on 09/13/2002 7:20:13 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: LS
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/
7 posted on 09/13/2002 7:21:59 PM PDT by Gee Wally
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To: BonnieJ
Of course The Torch is obnoxious, and of course the folks where the garbage meets the sea love it. I think The Torch had an edge in both debates (well in the second one I just listened to the tail end just now on the CSPAN site and The Torch got in some late hits about Forrester screwing old people in his business that Forrester couldn't respond to), but Forrester showed that he has a brain, even if not quite as skilled as The Torch, and that may be enough. The issue isn't who is smarter or a better debater, but whether Forrester is safe enough to vote for in order to dump the liar and the crook. That I think is the part of the playing field where this race will be decided by those voters that are in play.
8 posted on 09/13/2002 7:24:50 PM PDT by Torie
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To: marajade
I agree with your analysis of Chaffee -- he is mad! McCain isn't too happy with daschle either! Maybe the grass wasn't as green as they thought on the RAT side!
9 posted on 09/13/2002 7:25:29 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: LS
The Democrats, in my opinion, had the momentum. Until Wednesday that is when they ran smack dab into the brick wall of September 11. They lost their traction over three days of remembrance and have been unable to get it back due to Iraq being thrust onto the front burner by President Bush.

I would say that the shooter is being iced.
10 posted on 09/13/2002 7:25:44 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Coop
Ping for a different perspective from Larry Sabato. Click on the link in Post #7,
11 posted on 09/13/2002 7:26:36 PM PDT by frmrda
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To: LS
Bump and a bookmark.
12 posted on 09/13/2002 7:28:24 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: Arkinsaw
Agree and Bush ambushed them - LOL - on Daschel's comment on waiting to see what the UN does on IRAQ.

Bush has enough ammo to destroy their (Democrats) position on IRAQ.

This is going to be FUN to watch!

13 posted on 09/13/2002 7:29:51 PM PDT by agincourt1415
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To: LS
I will repeat MY earlier prediction that, with just a few races breaking the right way, we could have a 4-5 vote lead in the Senate and 10-15 margin in the House! BTTT for the GOP! And they will increase the number of GOP governors also!
14 posted on 09/13/2002 7:31:05 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: LS
Things are currently breaking in the GOP's favor. Whether that can be sustained for another six weeks is anybody's guess, but I'm very encouraged.
15 posted on 09/13/2002 7:33:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Salvation
with just a few races breaking the right way

That sort of degrades the "prediction" a bit. :)

16 posted on 09/13/2002 7:35:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Gee Wally
Thanks for that link!


17 posted on 09/13/2002 7:37:06 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Gee Wally
THE 2002 MIDTERM ELECTION MAP OF AMERICA
Copyright 2002 by Larry J. Sabato, Director, University of Virginia Center for Politics

BULLETIN: There is no national election in November 2002, whatever you may have read to the contrary. No, there hasn't been a coup, and terrorism or bad weather didn't force a postponement. The truth is much sadder: there isn't enough competition to qualify next November 5th as anything other than a patchwork of party battles in widely scattered parts of the United States.

Every four years, an election is held at the midterm of the President. Just like a presidential election, we tend to think of it as "national," since all 435 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives are on the ballot, plus 36 of the 50 state governorships, and a third of the U.S. Senate seats.

In no midterm year is there anything as leavening as the presidential contest, which every state lists on the ballot. Still, with the layering of contests for state executives and federal legislators, most midterms feature multiple close races in about two-thirds of the states.

Not so in 2002. Just 11 of the 34 Senate contests and a shockingly low 44 of 435 House seats can be termed competitive. The governorship elections provide some relief, with 23 of 36 registering as competitive.

Yet nearly half of the states appear to have no intense fights for either of the top statewide offices. Some of these states, such as Connecticut, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Nevada, Ohio, Utah, Washington, and West Virginia-have just a House seat or two on the political radar screen, hardly enough to gain the attention of an entire state's electorate. And six states have not a single close, competitive election for governor, senator, or U.S. representative: Alaska, Delaware, Idaho, Nebraska, New York, and Virginia. New events and late trends may change some of this, but it's just as possible that more districts and states may fall out of the competitive category as fall in, during the election's waning months.

The varying state schedules for electing their governors and senators accounts for some of this, but so does the ridiculously pro-incumbent redistricting that took place over the past year in all but about a half-dozen states. (The most prominent exceptions were Georgia, Florida, Maryland, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.) Incredibly, there is but a single close House contest in each of the mega-states of California (53 total seats), Illinois (19 seats), Ohio (18 seats), and Texas (32 seats)-four seats out of 122. Only Iowa of the fifty states has even as many as three close House elections on tap.

So where should political junkies migrate for the autumn of 2002? The Midterm Election Map of America gives the directions. A state is assigned ten points for any very competitive Senate race; ten for a large-state governorship contest of the same variety; eight points for a very competitive medium or small-state governorship; six points for a second-tier competitive race for the Senate anywhere or a governorship in a large state; four points for a second-tier governor's contest in a medium or small-state; two points for each competitive House seat; and of course, no points for uncompetitive contests.

Based on this scale, each state is expanded or contracted to represent its real significance in the 2002 midterm elections.

Election aficionados will want to catch the first flight to the Midwest, especially Iowa and Minnesota (top of the scale at 24 points each); marvelous Senate and Governor match-ups, plus five solid House races, will make for a fulfilling fall in these civic-oriented states.

Texas is close behind, with 22 points, all but two of which are generated by the heated wars for Senate and the statehouse. Three smaller states, New Hampshire, South Dakota, and Tennessee, round out the top half-dozen, with 20 points each. Fierce jousting for both senator and governor is taking place in each state.

Other small states, such as South Carolina (18 points) and Maine (16 points) also rank relatively highly on the competitiveness scale, especially when one considers that the average score for a state is less than 8 points. In a few cases, such as Iowa, a rare kind of redistricting that ignores the desires of House incumbents plays a role. It is also easier and less expensive to win a major post in a lightly populated state.

Regionally, the West is by far the least competitive region this year-just look at its shrunken visage on the map. All other geographic regions are home to at least one state with 20 points or more on the competition scale.

Still, the overall impression left by the rankings in the Midterm map is the country's need to refocus the political parties and the public on the need for greater competition. Yes, in a nearly split Senate and House, just a few contests are needed to create drama and affect control of the Congress. But excitement in a few places, like scattered thunderstorms in a drought, is not good enough, despite the pyrotechnics.

To the extent possible, the Midterm Map of America ought to more closely resemble the geographic map of the United States. And it only takes a quick glance at this year's concoction to see how far we have to go.

Sabato is Director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics and University Professor at U.Va. He is the editor of the forthcoming book, MIDTERM MADNESS: The Elections of 2002.

18 posted on 09/13/2002 7:38:52 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
And they will increase the number of GOP governors also!

Ummm... no, but I like your optimism.

19 posted on 09/13/2002 7:40:48 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: Dog Gone
The best part is that we are not going to be "swept from office" as mcauliffe likes to say. If we keep the House and take over the Senate, we make history. Next up is making sure Jeb wins in November.
20 posted on 09/13/2002 7:41:04 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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