Posted on 09/15/2002 5:20:45 PM PDT by jstone78
You are dead wrong in the way you present the scriptures. You are the one misinterpreting and taking out of context.
The church is awash in false doctrines and needs to repent and gets its act together and not try to "convert" the Jews to Christian apostacy. Yeshua Ha Mashiach (the Lord Jesus Christ) is big enough to say what He wants to any Jews any day without Jews for Jesus and has been putting in personal appearances to them for years. For Jews to resists Jews for Jesus is not anti-Christian bigotry. It is wisdom.
This is from a Messianic homepage: What Is Messianic Judaism -- Isn't It Just Christianity?
Messianic Judaism is Biblical Judaism with Yeshua as the Messiah. We believe that Yeshua (Jesus) was the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53. Messianic Judaism has more in common with other branches of Judaism than with Christianity in spite of sharing the belief that Yeshua was Messiah. Messianics see Yeshua as a Jewish rabbi who taught His disciples the Torah, even commissioning them to take His Torah teachings to the rest of the world. Christianity sees Jesus as one who 'did away with Torah (law)' and 'freed us' from needing to obey G-d's Word. G-d never changes nor does His Word. I believe any doctrine *not* based on a solid Torah foundation will be faulty and lead many astray. Torahlessness (lawlessness) is that old religion of hasatan, the fallen one who has tried to lure man away from G-d's instructions from day one. Hasatan has succeeded not only in drawing the church away from Torah but also in making lawlessness even seem the godlier choice. Lawlessness is a scary deception and is a major reason why many Messianics have attempted to separate themselves from the mainstream church.This is from the same messianic website: We are NOT Jews for JesusWithout a solid foundation built on G-d's TaNaKh (sadly referred to as "old testament' within the church), many in the mainstream Christian churches have been teaching that the church replaces Israel in G-d's plan; many teach that the promised earthly messianic kingdom has been replaced with a spiritual kingdom for the church; most believe that obeying G-d's Holy Torah (law) is somehow useless or irrelevant in our lives -- even likening Torah obedience to "earning" the free gift of salvation. These beliefs result from interpreting the Brit Chadasha (new testament) apart from it's TaNaKh foundation. Sadly the church seems to believe it can exist apart from its TaNaKh foundation and Jewish roots. Such church teachings reflect a non-Jewish mindset and are not considered part of Messianic Judaism.
But Aren't Messianic Jews And Hebrew Christians The Same Thing?
Sadly, Hebrew Christians are Jewish brethren who have been assimilated into the mainstream church. Some may observe the Holy Days --- but their basic belief system remains that of Christianity. A Messianic Jew is one who practices Messianic Judaism -- his beliefs rest on a solid foundation of Torah. Interestingly, the two labels themselves (Messianic Jew & Hebrew Christian) show each's differing emphasis: a Messianic Jew emphasizes personal lineage: a Messianic Jew is a certain type of Jew (a Jew who happens to believe in Yeshua). Whereas Hebrew Christian emphasizes the belief system: a Hebrew Christian is a certain type of Christian (a Christian who happens to be Jewish). Gentiles who practice Messianic Judaism refer to themselves in more vague terms, such as "Messianics" or "Messianic Believers" (terms which fit both Jewish and gentiles believers).
Then Why Do People Say Messianic Judaism Is Christianity?
Ignorance? Broad generalization? A refusal to let Messianic Judaism define itself? It is confusing when other branches of Judaism (as well as some within the church) call all believers in Yeshua "Christians" regardless of their view on Torah. More recently I have been bothered that some Christians are deciding to call themselves Messianics even though their belief system remains unchanged from that of Christianity. I only hope as more people study the Messianic Mov't, they will learn the many differences between these two very different belief systems. Messianic Judaism should the best of both worlds: True Biblical Judaism *with* Messiah -- exactly as G-d intended!
Shalom Chaverim, Let me begin by stating that this site is not affiliated with Jews For Jesus. We probably need to define what we mean by "Messianic" since many consider Jews For Jesus a Messianic organization. I consider Jews For Jesus a Christian organization. Moishe Rosen, founder of Jews For Jesus, is a Christian missionary, schooled in a standard bible college and not trained as a rabbi. The Jews For Jesus organization has worked diligently teaching Jesus to the non-believing Jewish people, but it is Christianity being taught and not Messianic Judaism (in spite of JFJ efforts to make the two terms synonymous). I would like to see evangelism to the Jewish people which includes teaching Torah observance.Would Your Church Allow You To Be Like Jesus? -- [MUST READ!]I see the Messianic Mov't as a return to Biblical Judaism, removing 2000 years of non-biblical teachings and restoring Torah observance to the body of believers. It seems too much effort is going into trying to bring down the Messianic Mov't and turn into just another Christian denomination, I find that sad. And those who protest this Christianization are called divisive. If you remove the elements that set Messianics apart from Christianity, you lose what drew people to the truth of Messianic Judaism in the first place.
I think Christianity is threatened by our return to Torah truths and by our refusal to tolerate the pagan influences that have become a part of Christian doctrine. The Messianic emphasis on Torah is taken as somehow undermining the work of Yeshua. And our rejection of pagan influences is taken as judgemental, as causing strife within the body of Messiah. But Scripture tells us to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) Sha'ul did not teach us tolerate false doctrines --- yet Christianity asks that for the sake of "unity" Messianics should overlook these differences and be a 'team player. That's not what we are called to do.
Many, if not most, Jews say that at least once a year. Next question?
I've only had to do that once in the 12 years I've lived in the same neighborhood as a Kingdom Hall.
It was about 6 years ago if I remember correctly. I see them knocking on other peoples doors, but they don't knock on mine anymore.
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I completely agree. I just keep large and extremely vicious dogs.
You are dead wrong in the way you present the scriptures. You are the one misinterpreting and taking out of context.
Nonsense. I presented the scriptures exactly as they appear in the Bible.
I didn't change a thing.
If you could show me where the scriptures I posted mean anything other than Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation, you would have done so already.
The truth is you can't can't.
Just one f'rinstance: When Jesus said "if you do not believe I am he" He was referring to the Son of Man. Remember that just before that, he had said "when you have lifted up the Son of Man..."
Did you know that God, Himself, called Ezekiel "Son of Man?"
I was where you are at about 1957. I have read and studied the bible since 1945 (I learned to read out ot the KJV.)
Long ago I learned that ALL of the seed of Israel will be saved. The gifts and callings of God are without repentance.
Now go spend your time learning why churches are preaching a gospel of salvation and not the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus taught.
Galatians 1:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
ALL Israel of course means ALL ISRAEL. Not just the Jewish Israelites, but the Celts/NorthernKingdom/European/American Israelites as well.
That's because many/most of the worlds Christians are blood cousins of many of todays Jews. For details, see my FR LostTribe Profile.
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