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Heston puzzles GOP, backs Siegelman
Mobile Register ^ | 09/22/2002 | BRENDAN KIRBY

Posted on 09/24/2002 4:52:46 PM PDT by Pokey78

American actor and icon Charlton Heston came to Alabama on Friday to stump for Republican candidates and raise money for the GOP. But he also left something valuable for Democratic Gov. Don Siegelman -- an endorsement.

Heston, 77, appeared in Mobile and two other Alabama cities Friday with most of the state's major Republican candidates, including gubernatorial hopeful Bob Riley, a Republican congressman from Ashland.

But the night before, Heston met with Siegelman and agreed to back the incumbent's re-election, the governor said.

Siegelman's campaign released a three-paragraph letter from Heston, who serves as president of the National Rifle Association, but made the endorsement in his name only. Siegelman's aides said they withheld the letter, dated Sept. 19, until Saturday at Heston's request.

"I am delighted to endorse your candidacy for re-election to the office of governor for the 2002 general election," the letter reads. "I know I speak for countless firearm owners and sportsmen when I say that your commitment, dedication and leadership on our issues is greatly appreciated.

"During you tenure as governor, you have repeatedly demonstrated your willingness to defend the very freedoms that serve as the foundation of our great nation."

Siegelman appeared energized Saturday morning as he discussed Heston's backing after surveying volunteers picking up trash along the Causeway during the Alabama Coastal Cleanup.

"Really, (it is) just a long history of being involved in conservation and hunting-rights issues," Siegelman said. "I didn't know that he was going to give me a letter, and I was pleased by that."

Riley spokesman David Azbell said neither Heston, who announced last month that he has developed symptoms consistent with Alzheimer's disease, nor any of the three aides who traveled with the actor informed the Riley campaign about the endorsement.

"It's strange that Charlton Heston would sign a letter endorsing Don Siegelman the day before he traveled the state in a six-seat airplane with Bob Riley while campaigning with Bob Riley," Azbell said. "I just hope Don Siegelman is not taking advantage of Charlton Heston, but desperate people do desperate things."

State GOP chairman Marty Connors conceded that the National Rifle Association probably is happy with Siegelman's record on gun issues. But he portrayed the endorsement as a "damage control" effort by Siegelman to blunt the effect of Heston's GOP appearances Friday. He accused Siegelman of attempting to convince Heston not to make those appearances.

"This is brass-knuckle politics. I think Siegelman got desperate, so he turned on the Democrat machine and did everything he could," Connors said. "Siegelman wasn't on stage with Heston. Bob Riley was."

Rip Andrews, a spokesman for Siegelman, said he is aware of no such effort to stop Heston's visit.

Political analysts expressed surprise Saturday that the Republican-leaning Heston would back a Democrat in a close race, but they differed on how much impact it might have on a race that is a little more than six weeks from the finish line.

"I think it's a very definite boost for Siegelman. I don't think it guarantees his re-election, but among white male voters -- which has been a weak area for Democrats in Alabama -- I think that's important," said William Stewart, a retired University of Alabama professor. "The timing could not be worse for Riley. Heston was just in the state."

University of South Alabama professor Sam Fisher agreed that the endorsement is surprising but added that because the candidates generally agree on Second Amendment questions, it ranks low on the list of issues important to voters.

"I can't off-hand think it's going to have that much of an impact on the race," he said. "I don't think it (gun control) was going to be an issue."

Andrews contrasted the endorsement with Riley's appearances on Friday.

"To me, it's another indication of what a fraud Bob Riley is, running around making people think he endorsed him," Andrews said.

Connors laughed at that suggestion.

"Voters get to decide who's more Heston-like."


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1 posted on 09/24/2002 4:52:46 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
The NRA's policy is that, if there is a tie in the candidates' rankings, to endorse the incumbent.
2 posted on 09/24/2002 4:53:52 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
I'm waiting....
3 posted on 09/24/2002 4:56:48 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Poohbah
I remember a few years ago, John Walsh came to Alabama and endorsed Dim Bud Cramer over the Republican opponent.
4 posted on 09/24/2002 4:58:04 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: anniegetyourgun
Waiting for what?

The NRA is not a Republican organization, they are a gun-owners' organization.

5 posted on 09/24/2002 5:18:51 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Yes, I'm well aware of that.
6 posted on 09/24/2002 5:20:17 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Pokey78
But he also left something valuable for Democratic Gov. Don Siegelman -- an endorsement.

Chuck Heston signed up 2001-04-19.
This account has been banned.

7 posted on 09/24/2002 5:28:42 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Excellent!
8 posted on 09/24/2002 5:30:26 PM PDT by dpa5923
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To: VadeRetro
Chuck Heston signed up 2001-04-19. This account has been banned.

What does this mean?

9 posted on 09/24/2002 5:38:29 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: zcat
Heston has violated FR policy.
10 posted on 09/24/2002 5:41:46 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Pokey78
Well, I'm an Alabamian and an NRA member, and sorry Chuck, but I'm voting for Riley. Or to put in another way, I'll vote for a Yaller Dog 'fore I vote for Siegelmann.
11 posted on 09/24/2002 5:52:26 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Pokey78; Lazamataz; Dog Gone; Nick Danger; Travis McGee
Heston's personal endorsement for Seigelman (while campaigning for Riley and other GOP'ers here in 'Bama) is yet one more sign that Democrats are giving up on their gun-control assault (for now).

And the endorsement is a two-edged sword. The NRA can now point to a Democratic governor who relishes his Chuck Heston endorsement, something that can be tossed at any rogue liberal anytime the NRA gets bad press from some desperate Democrat.

12 posted on 09/24/2002 5:54:40 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
Heston's personal endorsement for Seigelman (while campaigning for Riley and other GOP'ers here in 'Bama) is yet one more sign that Democrats are giving up on their gun-control assault (for now).

Yeah, down there. Up here we are staring square at a Blagojevich governorship and a clean sweep of nearly all statewide positions by Dems.

Can you say "California"?

13 posted on 09/24/2002 6:06:46 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: VadeRetro
good one.
14 posted on 09/24/2002 6:13:45 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: Lazamataz
You Yanks are tough to figure out. Why the affinity for Democrats? It's not like the Democrats have come to the table with a single big idea since Hillary's 1993 Healthcare nationalization fiasco.

At least down here in the South - Democrats have some Rebel, state's rights champions (or pretenders) amongst their ranks to justify a perverted "vote for my state" sort of attitude, but up North, I just don't see even that sort of flimsy excuse to vote for them.

But then again, the national affinity for Democrats has always perplexed me. Democrats are pro-abortion, yet Catholics like them. Democrats favor racial quotas (ala Affirmative Action) and oppose school-choice vouchers, yet minorities stuck in lousy school districts like them. Democrats love the UN as well as national minimum wage laws, yet "State's Rights" supporters seem to like them. Democrats oppose creating new jobs by drilling in the ANWR, yet unions like them. Democrats kiss Yassir Arafat's wife yet many Jews like them.

It boggles the mind...

15 posted on 09/24/2002 6:19:35 PM PDT by Southack
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To: VadeRetro
Heston has violated FR policy.

Other than posting a link to Jim Robinson's comment to Torque, you still haven't given me a detailed answer, in your own words, to my question.

16 posted on 09/24/2002 6:22:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Alas Babylon!
Or to put in another way, I'll vote for a Yaller Dog 'fore I vote for Siegelmann.

That's fine, as long as that Yellow Dog isn't a gun grabber. :). The issues are different in a state governors race than they would be in Presidential or federal Congressional one. There, especially in Congress due to the rules giving the majority party control of assignments and the agenda, and the case of the Senate, the judicial nomination process, there are other considerations than a single canidates position on the issues.

17 posted on 09/24/2002 6:29:27 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: VadeRetro
Remind me always to stay on your good side :-)
18 posted on 09/24/2002 6:31:02 PM PDT by tictoc
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To: zcat
What exactly are you confused about?
19 posted on 09/24/2002 6:37:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Southack
IMHO the NRA really screwed up with this, and I called NRA-ILA and told them so today. If they were going to endorse Singleterm, Heston should NOT have been stumping for Riley last week. Makes NRA look foolish...my exact words to the NRA person I talked to. Also mentioned that Singleterm is a weasel...she didn't really give a crap.
20 posted on 09/24/2002 6:57:05 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: Southack
IMHO it's smart politics for the NRA and gun rights.

Reward your friends, even 'rats.

21 posted on 09/24/2002 7:00:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: El Gato
El Gato, I won't argue with you about your response--it's true! However, Seigelmann is another Clinton wannabe. He supports, if you read the article, hunting rights, not gun owner rights. He is a tax and spend corrupt demoncrat.
22 posted on 09/24/2002 8:15:53 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: VadeRetro
What exactly are you confused about?

Wellllll, since nothing has been stated in your own words, I can only assume you are implying that Charleton Heston has been symbolically banned for reasons known only by yourself since you have failed to offer your own ideas on this subject. Isn't click and paste great?

If that is truly the case, then what high-profile celebrity have you enlisted to replace Mr. Heston in supporting your 2nd Amendment rights? I am awaiting your intelligent response but please, please, don't forward me to someone else's comments.........I would rather hear your own words.

23 posted on 09/25/2002 5:01:59 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: zcat
A rather amazing performance. You either have missed a two-day purge-a-thon or are willing to pretend. Yes, hyperlinks (not pasting) are nice. They allow one to tell a story by linking not only this, but also (if someone really needed it spelled out),

this, (So long, Darth Sidious!)
this, (So long, gunshy!)
this,
this,
this,
this,
this,
this,
this,
and this.

Which I'm sure is needed since somehow you've missed quite a bit of what's been going on around you the last two days.

24 posted on 09/25/2002 6:02:26 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: zcat
I am awaiting your intelligent response but please, please, don't forward me to someone else's comments.........I would rather hear your own words.

Note that more than a few of the preceding are me, in my own words. But let me humor you.

1) The bannings are insanity with an activist flair. Not good for FR, not good for the Republicans, not good for anybody opposed to the Democrats.

2) TLBSHOW needs to put a sock in it. I'm rock-ribbed Republican--never voted for a Demo in my life--but I'm embarrassed to have him on my side. He's running around biting anyone not toeing the line, denouncing anyone in sight as a Democrat or a lib and behaving like a Stalin sycophant from the 40's Soviet Union.

3) You don't win elections by purifying down to some sliver of a core group. You have to reach out and recruit other people, other groups to help you defeat the common enemy.

4) FR can only lose steam and authority by becoming an organized cheering section and water boy for one party, right or wrong. Even my party. It was once an exciting place to be. (OK, we had Clinton to kick around for much of that.) Time heals, and the damage done in this bizarre push will take plenty of that.

25 posted on 09/25/2002 6:43:13 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
If that is truly the case, then what high-profile celebrity have you enlisted to replace Mr. Heston in supporting your 2nd Amendment rights?

Thank you for your response but still waiting for an answer to my above question......

26 posted on 09/26/2002 4:40:53 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: zcat
Yer belaborin' under a misprehaprehension.

-- Jimmy Durante

27 posted on 09/26/2002 4:47:30 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
But let me humor you.

Guess I missed it but thank you for trying. Now perhaps you could answer my question...

28 posted on 09/26/2002 4:49:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: zcat
I have done all that I know how to give you a clue. Where did I lose you? What do you understand about what's going on?
29 posted on 09/26/2002 4:53:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
If that is truly the case, then what high-profile celebrity have you enlisted to replace Mr. Heston in supporting your 2nd Amendment rights?<

Thank you for your response but still waiting for an answer to my above question......

Yer belaborin' under a misprehaprehension.-- Jimmy Durante

Not quite the answer I was expecting but since that is the best you can do then I have to accept it. I was hoping for a legitimate answer to a legitimate question but all you could provide was a smartass remark which pretty much explains where you are coming from.

Good night Mrs. Callabash..............

30 posted on 09/26/2002 4:59:31 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Southack; Lazamataz
Down here, most of the Democrats are far more conservative than yankee Republicans. E. Dole, for instance, is considered a Liberal around here. Some are actually Republicans that switched parties in order to run against imcumbents.

Locally, we've had Democratic candidates make shooting match challenges, boast of carrying pistols, and attend high-profile Baptist churches. (Yes, Chuck Baldwin actually has a church here.)

Except for a wacky few who celebrate First Monday at the local university, 2A rights here in the Florida panhandle are as uncontested as they can possibly be except for New Hampshire.

31 posted on 09/26/2002 4:59:37 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
It's Vermont. Vermont requires no CCW to legally pack heat. You mean Vermont, not New Hampshire.
32 posted on 09/26/2002 5:03:50 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Travis McGee
Reward your friends, even 'rats.

Watch your step, mister, or you will be banned!

33 posted on 09/26/2002 5:04:03 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Southack
Thanks.

Hold muh beer whilst I make the changes...

34 posted on 09/26/2002 5:05:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: zcat
I was hoping for a legitimate answer to a legitimate question . . .

What about #25 didn't you get? Heston (AFAIK) has never actually Freeped. Otherwise, he would be bannable under the current rah-rah emphasis.

35 posted on 09/26/2002 5:05:40 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Southack
You Yanks are tough to figure out. Why the affinity for Democrats? It's not like the Democrats have come to the table with a single big idea since Hillary's 1993 Healthcare nationalization fiasco.

The only difference between the North and South is our cities are bigger and that turns the whole state Dem. Take a look at the county by county map of the 2000 election. If your cities grow in population, your states will get more liberal.

36 posted on 09/26/2002 5:05:44 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Eagle Eye
Down here, most of the Democrats are far more conservative than yankee Republicans. E. Dole, for instance, is considered a Liberal around here. Some are actually Republicans that switched parties in order to run against imcumbents.

Bull, some of the biggest libs in Congress are from the south.

37 posted on 09/26/2002 5:08:43 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan; RJayneJ; Dog Gone; Nick Danger; Lazamataz; Howlin; JohnHuang2
"The only difference between the North and South is our cities are bigger and that turns the whole state Dem. Take a look at the county by county map of the 2000 election. If your cities grow in population, your states will get more liberal."

That's a very good point, worthy of Quote of the Day material.

No wonder the Democrats are fighting like mad to reign in "urban sprawl". Those leaving the established mega-cities must be draining the Dems' power...

38 posted on 09/26/2002 5:12:55 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Eagle Eye
Whoops! Actually, I am just hoping to tempt some "good" 'rats over to our side.
39 posted on 09/26/2002 5:29:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Southack; #3Fan
If your cities grow in population, your states will get more liberal.

I don't agree. The inner city always becomes more liberal, but the suburbs often are Republican strongholds.

Take Houston, for example. It's the fourth largest city in the country. The city limits are a Democrat stronghold, but the greater urban area is conservative.

Look at the map of the 2000 election you referred to. Even the city of Houston wasn't enough to make Harris County into Gore country.

40 posted on 09/26/2002 5:35:14 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Southack
That's a very good point, worthy of Quote of the Day material. No wonder the Democrats are fighting like mad to reign in "urban sprawl". Those leaving the established mega-cities must be draining the Dems' power...

It comes with success. The North was the rustbelt where all the jobs were for decades and decades. That expanded our cities and turned the states Dem. The south is successful now. When you get too many people, the same thing will happen. The things that make you successful draw the type of people that will change your state into an a less efficient, liberal society. But what can you do? It's a catch 22. You can't stay down so no one will want to come, but when you rise, everyone comes to ruin it.

The problem with Illinois is we had a Republican governer (the only Republican I refused to vote for in my life, by the way) who destroyed the prospects for Republicans with his liberalism and corruption. He put a moratorium on the death penalty, was corrupt with the drivers license deal, visited Castro, etc. There is a little bit of hope for this state considering that the other Ryan is making a stand for the death penalty in his campaign now, and the Dem that ran against George Ryan last time was conservative on the 2nd amendment and some other things. We just have to hope that the Dems don't turn this state into California when they sweep in November, and maybe when we purge this state of the effects of George Ryan, we can make a bit of a comeback in a couple of years.

41 posted on 09/26/2002 5:48:24 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Dog Gone; Southack
I don't agree. The inner city always becomes more liberal, but the suburbs often are Republican strongholds.

You may be right. Perhaps with the fall of unionism, it won't turn the South liberal like it did the North over the middle decades of the 1900s.

Take Houston, for example. It's the fourth largest city in the country. The city limits are a Democrat stronghold, but the greater urban area is conservative. Look at the map of the 2000 election you referred to. Even the city of Houston wasn't enough to make Harris County into Gore country.

That's one thing that gives me hope about Illinios after the effects of George Ryan are purged from around here, and that is when I look at the map around Chicago, there isn't much blue there, as compared to a lot of big cities. Of course the first thing we have to do is do something about the massive Dem vote fraud in Chicago. We won't get anywhere as long as the elections aren't fair.

42 posted on 09/26/2002 5:54:48 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Bull, some of the biggest libs in Congress are from the south.

"Some" are from the South, more are from the other areas. Or were you thinking of great Libs like Zell Miller. Or, better, great Conservative Republicans like Trent Lott or Jeffords?

But maybe you want to give me a lesson on NW Florida politics? Always willing to learn.

43 posted on 09/26/2002 6:08:01 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: #3Fan
Vote fraud can be stopped. It only takes dedicated conservatives to become involved as Election Judges and poll watchers.

We can enforce clean elections if we only have the guts to go to the problem precincts and stick up for ourselves. We are in the right.

44 posted on 09/26/2002 6:08:52 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Eagle Eye
Clinton, Gore, Carter, Wexler, Mckinney, Acorn head. Those are some of the biggest liberals in the nation, aren't they?
45 posted on 09/26/2002 6:16:45 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Dog Gone
We can enforce clean elections if we only have the guts to go to the problem precincts and stick up for ourselves. We are in the right.

We also need video cameras and the skills needed to tail someone through city traffic. :^)

46 posted on 09/26/2002 6:18:44 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Wexler is not from the South, he's from Boca Raton. Learn your geography.

Clinton isn't a liberal; he's an opportunist.

Gore is a chameleon.

Carter and McKinney are the only southern Liberals in the group.

Care to comment on Illinios gun rights issues compared to the South?

47 posted on 09/26/2002 6:25:09 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: #3Fan
I don't know about Illinois law, but in Texas, you can insist that a Republican ride with the ballots to the central counting location. It's a shortage of Republicans who care enough about ONE SINGLE DAY that allows vote fraud to occur.

Video cameras are an excellent idea, and are an excellent deterrent. Heck, they probably don't even need film in them to work. Illinois law doesn't prohibit them, I am quite sure. Just set it up, and watch the Dems squack, but they can't do a damn thing about it.

48 posted on 09/26/2002 6:26:09 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Last time I worked a poll I required 100% ID. We could do that in Kentucky. I wasn't very popular there, but who cares?
49 posted on 09/26/2002 6:27:31 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
Wexler is not from the South, he's from Boca Raton. Learn your geography.

Florida is the South. If you want to get that specific, I could hold up Indiana, Indiana as conservative as any area of equal size in the South.

Clinton isn't a liberal; he's an opportunist.

He's a liberal from the South.

Gore is a chameleon.

He's a liberal from the South.

Carter and McKinney are the only southern Liberals in the group.

Clinton, Gore, Carter. The biggest troublemaking liberals to affect and threaten America since 1976, all from the South.

Care to comment on Illinios gun rights issues compared to the South?

What about it? I said we have liberal laws because our cities are bigger. You made the claim that your Democrats are more conservative than our Republicans, and that isn't true.

50 posted on 09/26/2002 6:34:41 PM PDT by #3Fan
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