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Scientist Says Ice Meteors a Sign of Climate Change (Environut alert)
Reuters (Yahoo) ^ | Fri Sep 27, 9:54 AM ET | Emma Ross-Thomas

Posted on 09/27/2002 9:06:27 AM PDT by narby

MADRID (Reuters) - A Spanish scientist says global warming ( news - web sites) may be to blame for giant blocks of ice which fall from clear skies and rip gaping holes in cars and houses.

Jesus Martinez-Frias has spent the last two-and-a-half years investigating so-called megacryometeors -- ice meteors -- which tend to weigh more than 22 lb and have been known to leave five feet holes in houses.

He fears the formation of these hailstone-like blocks on clear days could be a worrying symptom of climate change.

"I'm not worried that a block of ice might fall on your head ... but that great blocks of ice are forming where they shouldn't exist," said Martinez-Frias, director of planetary geography at Spain's Astrobiology Center in Madrid.

"Components of the atmosphere, like ozone and water, are changing in different levels of the atmosphere...We think these signs could be evidence of climate change," he said in a telephone interview with Reuters.

While Martinez-Frias said he was far from certain as to why the ice meteors formed, he said they were neither hoaxes nor blocks of ice falling from the bars or bathrooms of passing aircraft, as skeptics have suggested.

"We're not talking about hoaxes," Martinez-Frias said. "It's very easy to tell real and false ice blocks apart."

"It's not water from airplane toilets...Its isotopic composition bears the signature...of Iberian rain."

SMASHING WINDSCREENS

Ice clouds made from crystallized vapor trails of aircraft are well known to pilots, but Martinez-Frias suggests that because global warming involves one level of the atmosphere getting colder while another gets hotter, some ice clouds now remain longer.

Their centers then fall through the atmosphere, bouncing and gathering mass, to end up smashing through a car windshield or, more usually, landing softly in a field, he suggested.

The first megacryometeor found this year in Spain -- by a startled farmer riding his tractor in Soria -- weighed 35.27 lb.

Three others were found later, bringing the world total over the last decade to more than 50. But Martinez-Frias said only around a fifth of the ice meteors are ever found.

An ice meteor weighing around 440 lb has been found in Brazil, Martinez-Frias said. Other blocks have been found in Mexico and Australia.

The blocks form between two-and-a-half and six miles above ground, he said.

Some scientists doubt whether hail can form on a clear day.

"Solid ice cannot form in the absence of thick, highly visible clouds," Charles Knight, a hail expert at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado was quoted as saying in a supplement of Science journal.

But geologist Roger Buick of the University of Washington in Seattle told the same publication that a model created by Martinez-Frias and his team showing ice can form on a clear day was an "important advance in that it thoroughly documents and provides an explanation for a spectacular phenomenon."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; environmentalist; globalwarming
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To: narby
He's a little late on his theory. Here is a quote from Revelation 16:21

"Revelation 16
21 From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible."

I guess it's been going on for a while, eh?

21 posted on 10/01/2002 8:32:37 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: mfulstone
Makes you think about that guy's recent claim that the earth is being continually bombarded by icy asteroids.
22 posted on 10/01/2002 8:35:26 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: mfulstone
Ooops, it was Iowa!
23 posted on 10/01/2002 8:36:46 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Mark Felton
The ice was blue with high urine concentrations perhaps? pesky jumbo jets...

Those are called 'pissbergs' ...

24 posted on 10/01/2002 8:39:08 PM PDT by spodefly
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To: Piltdown_Woman
"It's not water from airplane toilets...Its isotopic composition bears the signature...of Iberian rain."

By Jove, I think he's got it...... "The rain-in-Spain falls mainly-in-the-pla - in!"

25 posted on 10/01/2002 8:40:16 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Always Right
We got our new suv this past week before Davis can pass new taxes on them!
26 posted on 10/01/2002 8:40:33 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: dennis1x
In search of a reason (and excluding enviro-excuses like globlal warming), do you as a professional meteorologist, have a reason why giant ice blocks fall out of the sky?
27 posted on 10/01/2002 10:02:08 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: longshadow
By Jove, I think he's got it...... "The rain-in-Spain falls mainly-in-the-pla - in!"

And not from the plane! Pesky megacryometeors!

28 posted on 10/01/2002 10:22:37 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Quite right, meteors are things that fall from the sky. Fish, rocks, chunks of ice, etc, are all included. Nonetheless, it is a confusing choice of terms because in modern usage it implies an extraterrestrial origin, which the researcher has discounted.
29 posted on 10/01/2002 10:42:46 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: narby
One question: Where the hell is this ice when my ice in my Jack and coke melts??? It would be much more convenient at the beach if it were to fall from the sky.
30 posted on 10/01/2002 11:33:56 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BTTT!!!!!
31 posted on 10/02/2002 3:09:16 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: narby
"A Spanish scientist says... "

What else do you need to know?

32 posted on 10/02/2002 3:25:14 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: 2sheep
Annihilation Central

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33 posted on 10/02/2002 6:41:55 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Tailgunner Joe
More junk science !!

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34 posted on 10/02/2002 8:30:03 AM PDT by blackie
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To: narby
Howdy

Excellent post, illustrative of the fact that the appelation "scientist" is often applied to individuals who are, in fact, blithering idiots.

There was once a time when an individual had to master material beyond the grasp of the moron, but today, with relativism polluting objective science in liberal institutions of "higher" learning, many so-called scientists, are in fact, politicized useful idiots.

Caveat emptor.

35 posted on 10/02/2002 10:23:24 AM PDT by MoscowMike
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36 posted on 03/16/2007 11:37:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Sunday, March 11, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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37 posted on 11/29/2008 8:59:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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