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Reagan’s family await merciful release (THE GREAT MAN ALERT)
The Sunday Times ^ | September 29, 2002 | Sarah Baxter,

Posted on 09/28/2002 10:53:56 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: Jacob Kell; Luis Gonzalez
Some might say that Kennedy prevented WOrld War III back in 1962 with the Cuban Missle Crises, but that's the only thing. A big thing, but the only thing.

Others, myself included, will say that Kennedy's cowardice during the Bay of Pigs was such a sign of weakness that the Soviets thought that they could get away with something that they would not dream of trying with Eisenhower.

The original Bay of Pigs invasion plan dictated that Castro's air force, which consisted a few obsolete jet trainers, must be completely destroyed prior to the invasion landing.

That's Amphibious Invasion Planning 101:

Rule #1: Estasblish air superiority over the invasion beach.
Rule #2: See Rule #1.

The initial air strikes by Cuban exile pilots knocked out the majority of Castro's air force on the ground. The invasion plan called for repeated strikes until Castro's air force was completely destroyed in order to ensure air superiority over the beachead.

At this point, Kennedy put his tail between his legs and panicked. He was afraid that the U.S. role in the invasion may be discovered when it was obvious to anybody with an IQ above room temperature that the U.S. was involved. Kennedy ordered that the follow up air strikes agasinst Castro's air force be cancelled.

Now that a key point in the invasion plan, air superiority over the beachead, had been thrown out the window, Kennedy should have:

A. Reconsidered his order and carried out the original plan or
B. Called the whole thing off.

Instead, Kennedy opted for:

C. Give the Green Light to a fatally gutted invasion plan and dump those men on the beachead while Castro had complete air superiority over the landing beach.

At the landing beach, Castro's few remaining jet trainers roamed the invasion beach at will, sinking the invasion transports along with equipment and ammunition. World war II era B-26 bombers flown by Cuban exile and CIA pilots went on suicide missions against those jet trainers. Dogfighting against jet aircraft was not what B-26's were designed for.

As the invasion fleet was sunk and the B-26's were massacred by a handful of Castro's jet trainers, U.S. Navy aircraft carriers were off the beach with orders not to engage Castro's jet trainers. Airborne Naval aviators had to listen to Mayday calls from the B-26's and follow orders to do nothing. While in the Navy, I heard stories from one Naval aviator aboard the carrier about how those Naval aviators would land on the carrier with tears of rage and frustration. They could have so easily blown away those few Communist jet trainers out of the sky with their A-4 Skyhawks and yet they had to allow the CIA and Cuban exile pilots to die in their B-26's because President Kennedy had so ordered.

Of course, in the Kennedy mythology, poor JFK was the victim of a bad CIA plan. How Kennedy's cowardice gutted the plan and doomed it to failure before the invasion landing even began is swept under the rug by the Camelot crowd.

It is my opinion that Kennedy's cowardice led the Soviets into believing that they could get away with putting nuclear missiles in Cuba. Weakness breeds contempt. Without Kennedy's initial cowardice, there would have been no 1962 Missile Crisis.

It is also worthwhile considering if the the subsequent emphasis on Vietnam was a reaction by the Kennedy-Johnson Administration to compensate for the Bay of Pigs humiliation.

141 posted on 09/29/2002 3:50:25 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: nicmarlo
Might I humbly change your words to:
Even at this moment, Ronald Reagan knows more than one Bill Clinton has known or will ever
know about truth, freedom, and integrity.


Permission heartily granted.
You have divined what I have intended to say. Then you improved it by an order of magnitude
with one word.
And a four-letter word at that, LOL!

About the only improvement is that I can dream of is that, after his
venerable body has breathed its' last...Ronald Reagan's body will
EVEN
then possess more than one Bill Clinton has known or will ever
know about truth, freedom, and integrity.
Even while Clinton breaths.
142 posted on 09/29/2002 4:02:40 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Polybius
Point taken. Keenedy would not be fit even to wipe Regan's backside after going to the bathroom. Heck, he ain't fit to wipe MY backside.
143 posted on 09/29/2002 4:06:48 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: Mudboy Slim
Yes, he sure did - and when he was ill during the Clinton years, I prayed with all my heart for God to strengthen him. I could not bear the thought of Clinton officiating at Reagan's funeral.

Now, with GW at the helm, I'm ready! I know GW will do a stupendous job. He will see to it that Reagan is afforded all the honor he deserves; as well as his caring attitude toward Nancy.
144 posted on 09/29/2002 5:07:14 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: VOA
Bravo, VOA. And to yours might I thus add:

After his venerable body has breathed its' last...
Ronald Reagan's body will EVEN then possess . . .
more than one Bill Clinton has known or will ever know about:
truth, freedom, or integrity,
Even while Clinton still draws a million breaths.

145 posted on 09/29/2002 5:42:38 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: CyberAnt
Agree. My fondest wish is that someday very soon (I have had relatives with Altzheimer's) our beloved Reagan will just not wake up some morning.
And it will be W and Laura who plan the respectful funeral.

This is a time when we need to be reminded of the difference between a great President and scum that somehow managed to invade the office. W is much closer to Reagan than he is to his immediate predecessor. We were either right or lucky twice in my lifetime to have been given good Presidents when we needed them.

146 posted on 09/29/2002 5:51:33 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: MeeknMing
It is sad that a great man like Reagan has fallen victim to a scourge that kills more Americans than all other ailments except heart disease, cancer and strokes. I was reading the other day that there are 4 million people with Alzheimer's in the US, and 100,000 die every year. It is a mysterious, insidious malady that attacks and destroys brain cells, gradually causing memory loss, confusion and personality changes. Toward the end, many victims no longer know who they are or recognize their loved ones.

I hope one day soon we'll find the cure for this disease. Right now the only available treatment that I know of are drugs which merely improve intellectual performance in some patients but death generally comes within eight to 12 years of the diagnosis.


147 posted on 09/29/2002 7:46:18 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MadIvan
One joke that President Reagan made during his illness that reached this side of the Atlantic is that apparently he said the one advantage of Alzheimers was that he was able to forget that Clinton was President.

Thank you for that one.

148 posted on 09/29/2002 7:54:01 PM PDT by Samwise
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To: RichInOC
I am with you there. God bless Ronaldus Maximus and Nancy and their children through this time. This is a weeper.
149 posted on 09/29/2002 8:04:43 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: speekinout
I agree with your comments, except I think the plans will be up to Reagan's wife - Nancy.

I don't really know how that all works, but I do know our President has a great deal of love and respect for Nancy, and he will do whatever she asks.

But ... the President could and probably will make some suggestions to Nancy.

I would love to see the funeral held aboard the U.S. Ronald Reagan. What a tribute that would be!! Reagan has such a love for the military.
150 posted on 09/29/2002 8:23:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: MadIvan
What struck me is the thought that Nancy will pass shortly afterwards. You see that in truly devoted couples, that when one goes, the other follows - as if half of one's soul has passed from death to life, the other shall go too.

I have no doubt that she will follow him shortly afterwards. You can easily see her complete love and adoration of Ronnie in pictures like the ones in replies #41 and #62. God blessed them with a wonderful marriage.

151 posted on 09/29/2002 8:37:17 PM PDT by ELS
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To: MadIvan
Ronald Reagan is the reason I'm a conservative today. It was truly an honor and a privilege to experience his leadership. Prayers to President Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan.
152 posted on 09/29/2002 8:59:06 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: nutmeg
I proudly cast my very first vote in a Presidential election for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

They can't take that away from me, as the song goes.

153 posted on 09/29/2002 11:32:10 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: operation clinton cleanup
NO-lol. I think it means he could sleep peacefully, and did not care one iota what his critics thought. He was not a man of polls and popularity contests.

An awesome man is he!
154 posted on 09/29/2002 11:44:28 PM PDT by mutejesseJ
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To: baseballmom
WOO HOO! You know my skin crawls EVERYTIME i hear someone call our current President *Shrub* and i have always thought i would never call a sitting President a disrespectful name, even if i disrespected him-heh.
Well, i have always wanted a nick name for Ex-P. Clinton, and I finally have it - impeached x42! THANK YOU THANK YOU!

155 posted on 09/30/2002 12:01:02 AM PDT by mutejesseJ
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I hope one day soon we'll find the cure for this disease. Right now the only available treatment that I know of are drugs which merely improve intellectual performance in some patients but death generally comes within eight to 12 years of the diagnosis.

Eight to 12 years, huh? Well, from this article then, it sounds like he is near the end of that range and beyond....

Reagan’s descent into Alzheimer’s was remarkably rapid after he left the White House in 1989 and soon became impossible to conceal.

Michael said Reagan’s great ally, Margaret Thatcher, was guest of honour at a birthday party for him in 1993.

I know that there is an article just posted on FR here that concerns the stem cell research and the promise it may hold for Alzheimer's patients. Too late for Ronald Reagan, but maybe it can help future Alzheimer's victims.

156 posted on 09/30/2002 2:53:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MadIvan
"Every now and then he would show a flash of insight, his son recalled..." My grandmother had the big "A" and this was probably one of saddests aspects of the disease. At times, she would remember everything, like a curtain had been drawn from her eyes. She knew she would forget in a few minutes to and would say things like "I miss you." and "I love you." knowing exactly who her family was.

"At the launch of the battleship USS Ronald Reagan last year..." We have a battleship? News to me...

157 posted on 09/30/2002 6:52:54 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: MadIvan
It still seems like a dream that at one time Reagan was President and Thatcher was Prime Minister.

We’re not like every family — I was at boarding school from the age of five, so I’m seeing him more than I used to. It’s the way our family works, by appointment — it’s always been by appointment.”

How sad.

158 posted on 09/30/2002 7:01:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Tall_Texan
I had a terrible dread that Reagan would pass on during Clinton's term and he would use the funeral as his own stage. What a terrible disgrace that would have been.

Yes, I too dreaded that the Clintons would be hosting the State Funeral. PIAPS would have pushed the body into the grave with a nasty smirk on her face.

Now we can be comforted that the outpouring of love from the American people will be honored by a president and first lady who genuinely loved the man, too. It will be handled with tact, good taste, and sincerity, character traits the Clintons have never possessed.

159 posted on 09/30/2002 7:10:41 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: MadIvan
She worries about what people are saying about Dad, about his place in history.

That is nothing for you to worry about, Mrs. Reagan. He will be remembered as one of the great leaders of the 20th century, and his place in history will perpetually be one of honor and immense respect.

His detractors, if remembered at all (which is doubtful), will be only a hackling crowd of wannabe, has-beens nipping at the heels of greatness, never able to attain it themselves. They will be remembered only for being in the great man's shadow, never for anything they have done on their own.

160 posted on 09/30/2002 7:34:53 AM PDT by Skooz
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