Abortion Quotes From Those In the Industry

www.byxbe.com ^ | Fri, 13 Sep 1996 | Right Now.com

[yendu bwam]

I'm reminded of the cerebral Karamazov brother who said, "If there is no God, then everything is permissible."

The lesson taught by Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot...

[TomSmedley]

You said, "I was once an ardent Catholic altarboy. I stopped believing in God in my early 20's, and the loss of God and eternity has been staggering. If I could have one wish, it would be that a loving God exists. "

I appreciate this "confession of non-faith." It reminds me of something sensible the "Aryan Christ" (Carl Jung, Hiterl's favorite shrink) pointed out: disillusioned Protestants merely find a different denomination. Disillusioned Catholics often become atheists.

This is one former Catholic, current calvinist, who sincerely wishes you well in your continued pilgrimage.

[Skooz]

Thans for posting this. An excellent adendum to the following:

The Abortion Lies: Quotes from Abortionists and Abortion Clinic Workers (SHOCKING!!!)

The Best Article Ever Written About Abortion-The sisterhood, 27 years later

[Aquinasfan]

I am very familiar with the work of a local crisis pregnancy center. Less than 20% of women who receive traditional counseling choose not to kill their babies. 80+% of women who receive counseling and see their ultrasound choose not to kill their babies.

Crisis pregnancy centers need ultrasound equipment, sonographers and the money to pay for both.

[yendu bwam]

I can't believe a loving God would not welcome me with open arms, where I have made a searching and good faith effort to discern the truth, morality, and if I ACT consistently with my beliefs. In other words, if I'm wrong, then I can't imagine being punished for it.

All moralities, chimpanzee politics, are based on axioms (unprovable assertions) of right and wrong. Such axioms cannot be discerned through reason. Reason is used to put them into practice and to iron out contradictions in the use of those axioms. You may use reason to act consistently on your own beliefs - but where do those beliefs about good and bad come from? In short, either you accept God's moral axioms, or you come up with your own. But a lot of people (seriously, like Stalin) came up with some moral axioms that clashed seriously with God's axioms. Having to choose between axiom sets, I have much more faith in God's than in my own. When you choose your own axiom set for your own morality, you make yourself your own little God. It's like a father who says to the son - these are the rules of the road - whatever you think, son, the following things are good - being polite to your mother, staying off of drugs, not making babies with women you're not going to spend your life with, taking care of and protecting your younger siblings. But the son says, well - I'd like to define my own right and wrong. I don't think it's bad to be impolite to my mom, I think it's good to get hooked on drugs, I don't care whether it's good or bad to get girls pregnant (because I don't care about the potential human life I might create) and I don't care about my brothers and sisters. Now, can you imagine the punishment that son will get?

[yendu bwam]

Crisis pregnancy centers need ultrasound equipment, sonographers and the money to pay for both.

Hear, hear.

[Skooz]

Free will with limits is not free will.

[yendu bwam]

At least in part, the social contract and rule of law prevent some things.

These are arbitrary things. The social contract, without an agreed upon moral foundation, can erode super fast. Look at Rwanda, Cambodia, Palestine, etc. etc.

[Aquinasfan]

But we kill humans in a variety of ways, directly and indirectly. (War, capital punishment, policies which result in starvation or disease).

Do you draw some kind of moral equivalency between war, capital punishment and abortion?

[yendu bwam]

Even if there is something called free will, doesn't God have a moral responsibility to put at least some limits on the more horrible of human behaviors?

Presumably, God is looking for a few good men (and women). God allows us to exist in a world in which good and evil battle daily. He hopes we'll choose the good over the evil, and as such, be able to join Him. Most Christians (and those in other faiths) believe that God has been quite clear about the kinds of behaviors he expects from us (and which, obviously, if we put into practice, would change the world immensely for the better). If he made us incapable of committing evil, then he would have a world of robots - rather than sentient and independent creatures who may, by dint of their own goodness, be able to join Him one day.

[Aquinasfan]

Fetuses are neither babies nor children, you have to be breathing and outside of the womb to be either of those.

A human being is a substantial form. For all things, form comes into being at individuation. Individuation for human beings occurs at conception.

[MHGinTN]

I place a far higher value over thinking and breathing humans than I do unborn fetuses. And that is the essence of your perspective, YOU. You value your opinion above all others, you value your life above all others, you value, you decide, you opine ... and you are the problem, not the issue. Argue if you wish over the development of the unborn prior to the sixteenth week, but it is a proven scientific fact that the infant in the womb is a thinking, even learning individual human being from week sixteen onward. Killing these most innocent individual human beings, because YOU value some other life more than theirs, is the problem and you are the sophist supporting and promoting the horror. Killing womb-bound children, at least after the sixteenth week --and there are tens of thousands slaughtered every year that have developed to that age as proven by the fetal tissue harvesting statistics-- is serial killing of a class of individaul human beings. YOU support that serial killing and champion such horror as 'enlightened social policy'. YOU are the problem.[Note, I have not raised a single religious point ... you have no religion other than survival of the fittest, so I have addressed the flaw in YOU. YOU support and defend serial killing.]

[Outlaw76]

I've personaly stopped using the word 'Abortion' when the issue comes up. I call it what it is, the murder of an unborn child.

No one tries to argue with me over weather or not I'm right. No one speaks about choice again after that.

Them: "I heard that Senator Hutchinson wants to take women's right to choose away from them."
Me: "What choice is that? The choice to murder their unborn child?"
*crickets*

[yendu bwam]

You said, "I was once an ardent Catholic altarboy. I stopped believing in God in my early 20's, and the loss of God and eternity has been staggering. If I could have one wish, it would be that a loving God exists. "

So strange - it was the opposite for me. I was an atheist, through and through. I had no religious upbringing. I read a book on the world's religions at age 18 and was inspired to read the Book of Matthew from the New Testament. I saw there in a giant flash the absolute and overwhelming power, grace and beauty of Christ's and God's love for us. I was floored. The truth of God's love came flooding into my mind and has never receded. Churches themsevles (run by humans) do some really stupid and sometimes evil things (like my own Catholic Church) - but the message of Christ stays the same. I have many, many reasons for believing in a loving God. One powerful one is that when I read Christ's words, I knew that no ordinary human being could have said all of them, so perfectly, so well, so amazingly lovingly. The message is revolutionary and radical in the direction of pure good and love.