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CONSPIRACY: The Okla. City-Sept. 11 Connection
Philadelphia News ^ | Oct. 03, 2002 | Michael Smerconish

Posted on 10/03/2002 8:14:28 AM PDT by aculeus

I'M NOT A conspiracy guy. I think Oswald killed Kennedy, and that he acted alone. And, like all Americans, I figured that the tragic bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City was the work of two sick ex-Army guys, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Now I'm not so sure.

Last night, my radio station, the Big Talker 1210, brought three speakers to town for a remarkable presentation: Jayna Davis, a reporter from Oklahoma City; Larry Johnson, ex-deputy director of the State Department's office of counterterrorism, and Patrick Lang, Mideast expert formerly of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

In a spellbinding presentation, they made the case for a connection between Mideast terrorism, the Murrah bombing - and the attacks on the Twin Towers.

Now I know why former CIA Director James Woolsey has been quoted as saying that when the full truth is known about these acts of terrorism, the nation will owe Davis "a debt of gratitude."

Why her name is not already a household word is the greatest mystery of all. Just this week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that U.S. intelligence has "bulletproof" evidence of links between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Rumsfeld didn't offer specifics. But here is what we know from the work of Davis.

When the Murrah bombing occurred at 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, Davis was a reporter for the NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City. She was among the first journalists to broadcast that an enormous truck bomb had rocked the heartland, killing 168 and injuring hundreds.

In the immediate aftermath of the explosion, the FBI launched an international pursuit of several Middle Eastern-looking men seen fleeing the Murrah Building in a brown Chevy pickup right before the blast. Without explanation, that all-points bulletin was later canceled. Two days later, Timothy McVeigh was a household name. So was Terry Nichols.

And that's where most of us left the tale. Stunned, but convinced that two Army buddies, homegrown terrorists, acted alone.

Thankfully, Davis didn't close this book as quickly as most of us did. She pursued the APB and set off to track reports of multiple sightings of McVeigh with an elusive dark-haired accomplice. The infamous sketch of John Doe No. 2 was always tucked firmly in her grip.

Davis soon uncovered that several employees at an Oklahoma City property- management company said they had seen a brown Chevy truck like the getaway vehicle aggressively pursued by law enforcement parked outside their office in the days before the bombing. The company's owner was a Palestinian with a rap sheet and suspected ties to the PLO.

Davis learned that, six months before the bombing, the Palestinian hired a handful of ex-Iraqi soldiers to do maintenance at his rental houses. Eyewitnesses told Davis that they celebrated the bombing.

She was also made aware that these same men were absent from work on April 17, 1995, the day McVeigh rented the Ryder truck that carried the bomb.

While pursuing the story of these Middle Eastern men, Davis also became aware of another ex-Iraqi soldier in Oklahoma City named Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini. She was taken aback to see that Al-Hussaini's picture, when overlaid with the government sketch of John Doe No. 2, was arguably a perfect match. He even sported a tattoo on his upper left arm indicating that he likely had served in Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard.

Davis then set about looking for a connection to McVeigh, Nichols, Al-Hussaini and other Iraqis. It came when a colleague located two eyewitnesses who claimed to have independently seen Al-Hussaini drinking beer with McVeigh in an Oklahoma City nightclub just four days before the bombing.

This convinced her station to run with the Iraqi-connection story. It was met with some controversy.

The Justice Department responded that the identification of John Doe No. 2 was merely a case of mistaken identity. Al-Hussaini contacted local reporters, claiming to be falsely accused. Davis did not back off because she believed she could repudiate Al-Hussaini's alibi.

AND SHE LOCATED two dozen witnesses who identified eight specific Middle Eastern men, the majority of whom were ex-Iraqi soldiers, who were seen with McVeigh and Nichols. Two witnesses named Al-Hussaini as the dark-haired, olive-skinned man they observed one block from the Murrah Building just before daybreak on the day of the blast.

She also uncovered evidence that implicated several of Al-Hussaini's co-workers. One of these men was identified as sitting in the driver's seat of a Chevy pickup at an Oklahoma City apartment complex hours before the truck was abandoned on the lot and towed to the FBI command post. According to police records, the truck had been stripped of its vehicle identification numbers and identifying body molding.

The story gathered steam. Here, it would appear, was the deserted pickup that was the same vehicle that was seen speeding away from the vicinity of the Murrah building with two Arab-looking occupants.

And there was more. Five witnesses independently fingered several of Al-Hussaini's associates as frequent visitors to an Oklahoma City motel in the months, days, and hours leading up to 9:02 a.m. on April 19. On numerous occasions, the subjects were seen in the company of McVeigh, and during a few instances, associating with Nichols - at the same motel!

Davis spoke to the motel owner and a maintenance worker who said the men came within feet of a large Ryder truck parked on the west side of the parking lot at 7:40 a.m. on April 19. An unexplained odor of diesel fuel emanated from the rear carriage. Minutes later, McVeigh entered the motel office and returned the room key. The motel owner then saw McVeigh drive off the lot with a man identified as Al-Hussaini.

To this day, the Justice Department has refused to return the original registration logs for the motel.

Davis has 80 pages of affidavits and 2,000 supporting documents, and they suggest not only an Iraqi connection to the Murrah bombing, but also to the attacks against the Twin Towers.

For example, Nichols was a man of modest means. Yet he traveled frequently to the Philippines. Davis discovered that Nichols was there, in Cebu City in December 1994, at the same time as the convicted mastermind of the first World Trade Center attack, Ramzi Yousef.

She has also found evidence that Islamic terrorists boasted of having recruited two "lily whites" for terrorism.

Al-Hussaini had a very American response to Davis' investigation. He sued for defamation. In a ruling on Nov. 17, 1999, federal Judge Timothy Leonard dismissed the case.

In 1995, the federal grand jury proclaimed in the official indictment that McVeigh and Nichols acted with "others unknown." And several members of the Denver juries who convicted the two said publicly that they thought they had help.

Since 1997, Davis has repeatedly tried to interest the FBI in her investigation. She has been rebuffed.

As for Al-Hussaini, after leaving Oklahoma City, he went on to work at Boston's Logan International Airport, the point of origin for several for the 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammad Atta.

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

Michael Smerconish's column appears Thursdays. E-mail

© 2001 philly and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; okcbombing
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1 posted on 10/03/2002 8:14:29 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: thinden
It's just you and me thinden. This thread won't go very far, unfortunately.
2 posted on 10/03/2002 8:25:25 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: aculeus
At one time, there were links posted here to very early radio reports made immediately after the bombing. The links seem to have dried up. They provided some very different, CONFLICTING, eyewitness testimony as to what was actually being seen and heard at the time of the bombing. And it was VERY COMPELLING information.

Anyone have any clue as to the where-abouts of those old audio links????????? I believe one of them was Jayna Davis' report!
3 posted on 10/03/2002 8:29:31 AM PDT by soozla
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To: Fred Mertz
With the way the Klintoon FIBi's worked I would expect nothing less.

Not saying I agree or diasgree, but the FIBI's have left something to be desired as an investigative unit in the past twenty thiryt years.

5 posted on 10/03/2002 8:34:28 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: aculeus
It happened on Klinton's watch - it makes perfect sense that he would try to blame home-grown terrorists and try to imply a right-wing connection while burying the truth. If the truth were known, he might have had to actually do something about the Iraquis.
6 posted on 10/03/2002 8:35:14 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: soozla
P.S. NEVER FORGET.......use it when referring to 9/11................AND use it when referring to.......WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AT THE TIME OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING???????????????.......therefore ANYTHING resembling a cover-up/distortion of information which points to the highest levels of the DEFINITELY possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7 posted on 10/03/2002 8:35:33 AM PDT by soozla
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To: aculeus
8 posted on 10/03/2002 8:35:48 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: aculeus
Here's more, from from an interview with Jayna Davis's lawyer, David Shippers. I'm not a conspiracy guy either, and to tell the truth, I don't yet know what to think, although David Schippers has always received respect on FR. (source:
On September 29, 2001, Chicago attorney David Schippers confirmed the following article’s information to Eagle Forum of Illinois’ State President, Fran Eaton. David Schippers is most well-known as the Chief Counsel for the House Judiciary Committee on Impeachment. He authored the important book on the Clinton impeachment, "Sell Out."

The conversation went as follows:

Eaton: Mr. Schippers, I have a few questions for you about the recent events in our nation. I want to dispel urban legends, and would like to confirm fact as you know it on this matter.

Schippers: I’ll be happy to help you in any way I can.

Eaton: Mr. Schippers, is it true that you are now representing the former television reporter Jayna Davis from Oklahoma City as one of your clients?

Schippers: That is true.

Eaton: Is it true that Jayna Davis knows of an accomplice in the Oklahoma City bombing that had Mid-East connections, but who was covered up during the McVeigh trial?

Schippers: Mrs. Davis not only knows of the accomplice, she has a sketch of him, knows his name, and has interviewed numerous people who shared eye witness accounts of "John Doe 2" either with Tim McVeigh or leaving the Murrah Building area on the day of the bombing.

Eaton: Is it your suspicion that Bin Laden was involved in the Oklahoma City bombing by financing or some other way?

Schippers: There is strong evidence that makes me believe that is so.

Eaton: Is it also your suspicion that Bin Laden was involved in the downing of Flight 800 in New York?

Schippers: There is strong evidence that makes me believe that is true as well.As a matter of fact, high levels of intelligence have leaked that Flight 800 exploded because of a letter bomb that was on board the plane that day.

Eaton: It is my understanding that after reading Jayna Davis evidence that you were so convinced of looming danger on our nation’s security that you attempted to notify the Department of Justice about another attack, this time on the financial district in south Manhattan?

Schippers: Five weeks before the September 11 tragedy, I did my best to get a hold of Attorney General John Ashcroft with my concerns. The best that I could do was get in touch with an underling in that office who told me that all investigations start out at lower levels such as his. Fifteen minutes before the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, Jayna Davis got a phone call. On the other end of the line, a voice with a Mid-Eastern accent told her, ‘Turn on your TV.’ She turned it on, and witnessed what the world saw - the World Trade Center burning and shortly thereafter, a second plane flying directly into the second tower.

Eaton: Why is this all being kept quiet?

Schippers: Believe me, I’m just about ready to let the lid off of this . . .
10 posted on 10/03/2002 8:47:31 AM PDT by cloud8
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To: rosebud
The name Andre' Strausmeyer pops to mind. He's Austrian, I think. Do a web search, I'm not sure of the spelling of the last name. Seems he had a connection to a white seperatist group and his main squeeze was an FBI imformant with quite a bit of knowledge about the bombing.....before it happened.
11 posted on 10/03/2002 8:48:15 AM PDT by taxed2death
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To: Fred Mertz
I'm here. This story is fascinating.
12 posted on 10/03/2002 9:01:11 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: taxed2death
Andras Strasmeir is a German national. His father is in German politics/government. The best account I've seen so far is in Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's book "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton".

This book is a must read, IMHO.

13 posted on 10/03/2002 9:06:35 AM PDT by Victor
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To: hoi-polloi
I have pondered that as well. My best and most optimistic guess is that Bush is waiting for the naysayers to drag it out of him, rather than just come out and say,
"Saddam blew up the Murrah Building so we better get him!"

Rather, I'm hoping he'll finally come out with, "OK, OK,
I didn't want to have to say this about a former president, but here's what Klinton did." Then he drops the much demanded and heavily damning evidence on everybody. Especially if there is another attack before we nail Saddam.

I know, I'm kidding myself. He will continue the coverup.
14 posted on 10/03/2002 9:07:40 AM PDT by the
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To: aculeus
One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

This is enough to start a full fledged investigation IMHO.

15 posted on 10/03/2002 9:08:51 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator
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To: aculeus
Thanks for posting this.I watched TV the day of the OK bombing all day long.I was in Chicago at the time. Several times they said that federal agents were watching the Chicago airports for a German National suspected of being involved with the bombings.

I also heard broadcasts from Oklahoma City news and mention was made of mid-eastern involvement and connections.That first day was probably the last day we heard pretty honest accounts of what was happening in the mainstream media.

Given that I had always believed that Clinton and Gore were commie,pinko,knee-jerk liberal,deceitful,duplicitous,lying,diabolical jack-a--es,I was not surprised at the subsequent cover-up and disinformation campaign.However,I was surprised and disappointed when Bush and Ashcroft with the opportunity afforded by the pending execution of Tim McVeigh seemed to also fail in the pursuit of truth.

16 posted on 10/03/2002 9:11:14 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: aculeus
Gee... do ya think the mainstream press is finally going to do something with this??? Nah.

None of this is new. We here at FR have known this stuff for years... we followed many of the leads and posted them here as they came up.

What did we get for our trouble? We got called "Tin Foil Hat", "Missile Hugger" and many other epithets far worse... all instigated and orchestrated by a few dis-information artists.
17 posted on 10/03/2002 9:12:36 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: saradippity
...However,I was surprised and disappointed when Bush and Ashcroft with the opportunity afforded by the pending execution of Tim McVeigh seemed to also fail in the pursuit of truth.

Remember the 1100+ FBI files the Clinton's purloined, transcribing copies in to the WHODB and sending them to the DNC headquarters computer? Bush, Ashcroft, et al, are beholden to a host of current and former (Dang, it hurts to say this) governmental officials of Bush 1's and now Bush 2's administrations that may (probably) did things they DO NOT WANT REVEALED! We now have the case where major treasonous activities are being covered up because of petty crimes done in the past and now recorded in the DNC basement.

18 posted on 10/03/2002 9:19:54 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: soozla
I was there....

I lived on 144th and Pennsylvania Ave on that fateful day. The blast was large enough to cause pictures to fall off of my wall.

After the blast (within about 30 seconds) I turned on my scanner. One of the forst APB's I heard was for the Middle Eastern man in a brown pickup.

To this day I believe there is a ME connection. Oklahoma City is crawling with Iraq and HAMAS sympathizers.

19 posted on 10/03/2002 9:23:53 AM PDT by jbstrick
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To: Swordmaker
Let's not forgot how swiftly McVeigh's execution was carried out.
20 posted on 10/03/2002 9:31:31 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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