WICHITA MASSACRE TRIAL UNDERWAY

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[hoosierskypilot]

After two years, two brothers accused of a week-long rampage of murder, rape and robbery in the American heartland will have their reckoning in a Kansas criminal court. The trial began Monday.

In all, Reginald Carr, 24, and Jonathan Carr, 22, face 58 charges each. Of the six people they are accused of trying to kill, only one survived. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

[hoosierskypilot]

Interesting how that heterosexual whites are never the victims of hate crimes.

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[Coeur de Lion]

Anyone who's followed this case would have to conclude that they should be killed just to get them out of the gene pool. The first brother was fingered because he'd move the TV from the condo into his apartment. The second brother was fingered because he had the surviving woman's engagement ring in his pocket.
Of course it won't happen, but a suitable punishment for these fiends is death by numerically controlled bandsaw. This is how it would work: their height is divided into increments equal to the number of offenses and the bandsaw programmed to cut these exact increments, starting at the feet.

[Man from Oz]

Hear Hear

A very public hanging at the very least

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

What is the composition of the jury?

[Maceman]

What is the composition of the jury?

I'm more interested in the decomposition of the perps.

[Alberta's Child]

I've always said that the most effective means of publicly executing someone is to pass them through a woodchipper in the courtroom immediately upon conviction.

[swampfox98]

I can just here there mothers talking to the jury now: "They was good boys until Bush got elected."

[Coeur de Lion]

Woodchipper's too fast. So the adult sized Waring blender. You want something a little slower. A board planer might fit the trick if the cutting depth setting wasn't set too deep.

[alfa6]

Ping

Regards

alfa6 ;>}

[cynicom]

Aint no such thing as hate crime, black on white, bro....

[cynicom]

Two blacks..They will hang the jury...

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

Thanks for the info.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

Nah! Let them dance the 'Hip Hop' at the end of a rope. A simple hanging, preferably in public, uniformly carried out will reduce the killings to a dull roar. One can never totally stop the murder, one can only keep it from spreading.

[Palladin]

At last this horrible murder case is getting deserved publicity. For two years, the pc press has managed to back-page it. Now it is there for all to see--the inhumanity; the cruelty; the torture and degradation; the HATE.

But don't expect to see any primetime movies made about this one. Not like the Wyoming case with the gay victim.

[cheme]

Read it was 10 anglos and 2 "of color". Said a third thought they did it.

[RIGHT IN SEATTLE]

Flaying family of the criminal first, may I remind you.

Reduces the chances of gene contamination!

[KS Flyover]

Carr Brothers Trial Daily Update- Lone Survivor Tells Her Story on Day 2.

The only surviving victim of a multiple murder says she thought about grabbing that gun...but realized she wouldn't get it in time.

The lone survivor and the main witness for the prosecution, known by her initials "H.G.", testified Tuesday in the trial of Jonathan and Reginald Carr. They're accused of raping, robbing and shooting H.G. and her four friends.
H.G.--holding back any emotions--told jurors it started like any other night. She left her apartment in south Wichita around eight and headed for her boyfriend, Jason Befort's home. She says they watched TV for awhile and had just gone to bed, when the bedroom door busted open. "They told everyone to get undressed and one by one we took off our clothes and we continued to lay in bed."

H.G. says the three men--Aaron Sander, Bradley Heyka and Jason Befort were forced into the closet. H.G. and Heather Muller were taken into the hallway and forced to perform sexual acts on each other--after that she says the men were brought out of the closet one-by-one and forced to try and have sex with the women. H.G. says she and Heather Muller were also raped by the intruders before and after each victim was taken to an A-T-M machine near 21st and Webb Road. "They wanted to know who had money and none of us did then they asked who had A-T-M cards and all of us raised our hands as we were laying down."

H.G. says she asked one of the men--"are you going to shoot us." The first time he said no--the second time he said not yet. "He said don't worry I'm not going to shoot you yet, and then I was directed to kneel on all fours where he raped me."
The only emotions in the courtroom came from the victim's family as H.G. testified. She showed little emotion on the stand during two hours of testimony on Tuesday. And it's not over--on Wednesday, H.G. will also tell jurors what happened in that northeast Wichita soccer field, where all five victims were shot execution style.

KWCH provides a live feed from the courtroom on Cox cable channel 52. Parts are also broadcast on KFDI radio. Much of the testimony on the first day focused on the surviving victim-- a young woman who was shot in the head along with her four friends. Naked-- she was able to walk more than a half mile, in sub-freezing temperatures to find help.

Jurors listened to the man who opened his door that early december morning, and heard the 911 call from his home. Suffering from hypothermia, a gunshot wound to the head, and severe frostbite--the victim known as "h.g." trys to explain what she went through during the last three hours.
"These 2 men broke into our house.... and they executed my four friends and I've been shot in the head and I need an ambulance."

Jurors also heard emotional testimony from a Sedgwick County sheriff's deputy, who was holding back tears when he described finding the bodies of 25-year-old Heather Muller, 26-year-old Jason Befort, 27-year-old Bradley Heyka and 29-year-old Aaron Sander.

Jurors did get a feel as to what kind of defense Jonathan and Reginald Carr will present. Both brothers are pointing at each other. Reginald's attorneys also told jurors the evidence points to Jonathan and an unidentified third man.

Attorneys estimate just the first phase of the trial, determining whether the Carrs are guilty will take at least six weeks

You can watch the trial through a live feed from the courtroom on KWCH 12's cable channel 52 available on Cox cable.

This story can be found at: http://www.kwch.com/MGBHOJ2WZ6D.html

[Judith Anne]

I appreciate the ping. This is demonic. I am sure that the blacks on the jury will not be a problem.

[Man from Oz]

You are right!

[I. Ben Hurt]

Interesting how that heterosexual whites are never the victims of hate crimes.

Kansas does not have a "Hate Crime" law.

That's GOOD or BAD, I don't know.....

[blau993]

Why is Fox News the only `elite' media channel that covered the story? CNN didn't bother because the perps are blacks?

CNN is a wimpy channel, I haven't watched it in more than 11 years.

Uh, Spike. At the risk of being picky, if you haven't watched CNN in eleven years, how do you know whether it covered the trial or not?

[republicman]

--I am sure that the blacks on the jury will not be a problem.---

I wouldn't be too sure of that. WHile most blacks on juries fulfill their duties many others do not. Black jury nullification is a fairly common problem.

And judging from the comments of one of the black jurors seeing the defendents and saying, "I hate to see a black man go through this" it could well be an ominous sign of where his sympathies lie (i.e with people the defendants who share his skin color not the victims of this horrible crime)

[republicman]

--Kansas does not have a "Hate Crime" law. That's GOOD or BAD, I don't know.....--

Its interestuing because as I understood it, Texas did not have a hate crimes law either (at least according to the NAACP), however the dragging death of James Byrd as we all know was described as that

Furthermore there was no "sexual orientation" hate crime law where Matt Shepard was killed, but his death, of which there was no evidence he was sought out for his homosexuality, was used as a rallying cry for hate crimes laws.

[I. Ben Hurt]

And judging from the comments of one of the black jurors seeing the defendents and saying, "I hate to see a black man go through this"

Just wondering where you heard this comment from a jury member. I would think that would be grounds to have that person removed from the jury.

Regarding the "hate crimes" law in Kansas, I heard the DA use that law (lack of) as the reason this crime was not being prosecuted as a "hate crime".

The Judge yesterday called the witness BY NAME as she was leaving the stand. So far she has been referred to only as "HG". I didn't hear her being sworn in to testify so don't know if they used her name, but in any case, thanks to the Judge, I now know her full name as does everyone else who was listening. So much for keeping her name a secret.

[republicman]

It's here on KS's thread about half way down

"The race issue continued to fester during jury selection last week, when both prosecutors and defense lawyers tried to exclude a black man, a Boeing employee, from the jury. The defense objected to his strong support for the death penalty, while the prosecution said he appeared sympathetic toward the Carrs because of their race.

"'I hate to see young black men go through this,' the man said during jury selection.

"But Sedgwick County Judge Paul Clark refused to dismiss him, citing the U.S. Supreme Court precedent in Batson vs. Kentucky, which bars courts from striking black jurors on the assumption that they would favor black defendants."

[republicman]

--Regarding the "hate crimes" law in Kansas, I heard the DA use that law (lack of) as the reason this crime was not being prosecuted as a "hate crime".--

Maybe somebody ought to run a commercial in which family members of the victims could say, "It was like they were killed all over again" because the DA wouldn't call it a hate crime.

[republicman]

--Regarding the "hate crimes" law in Kansas, I heard the DA use that law (lack of) as the reason this crime was not being prosecuted as a "hate crime".---

After reading this agains, another thought occurred to me here on this.

I'm sure everybody remembers that Shepard was a ralllying cry for need of a "bias" crimes legislation in his state. And Byrd was used for a rallying cry for the supposed need for hate crimes laws in Texas.

But notice two black guys commit a hate crime in a state with no hate crime laws.

Where are the rallying cries for the NEED for hate crime laws in Kansas? Hmm none at all.

Nope, instead of a rallying cry, they're trying to bury this one like a cat in a sandbox.

So I ask, what could possibly illustrate the utter racist hypocrisy of liberals when it comes to hate crime laws?

[republicman]

(Repost ignore last)

--Regarding the "hate crimes" law in Kansas, I heard the DA use that law (lack of) as the reason this crime was not being prosecuted as a "hate crime".---

After reading this again, another thought occurred to me.

I'm sure everybody remembers that Shepard was a rallying cry for need of a "bias" crimes legislation in his state. And Byrd was used for a rallying cry for the supposed need for hate crimes laws in Texas.

But notice two black guys commit a hate crime in Kansas, a state with no hate crime laws.

Where are the rallying cries for the NEED for hate crime laws in Kansas? Hmm none at all.

Nope, instead of a rallying cry, they're trying to bury this one like a cat in a sandbox.

So I ask, what could possibly better illustrate the utter racist hypocrisy of liberals when it comes to hate crime laws?

[sheik yerbouty]

I hope there won't be "I'm not gonna send another brother to jail" syndrome.

[I. Ben Hurt]

Thanks for the info regarding the black juror's statement. It's interesting that it was made during jury selection with both defense and prosecution objecting to his selection and being over-ruled by the judge. Defense because of his support of the death penalty and prosecution because he might be partial because the defendants were black. I'm beginning to wonder about this judge.

Maybe someone could explain to me if a "hate crime" strictly means crimes committed because of racial hatred. If that IS the case, possible this trial is not a hate crime because these guys were punks (IMO) in town from Dodge City that picked their victims and committed these horrible crimes. I'm not sure race had anything to do with it. I do believe race and being politically correct is why it is not receiving nation wide attention. (I have been wrong before and may be wrong this time.)

[Mulder]

Jury selection took a grueling 18 days.

What the hell is going on with our country where it takes 18 days to find a jury?

Are there that many idiots?

Or is it simply that those with brains and morals feel a slavish impulse to "disqualify" themselves from a jury by identifying themselves as intelligent and decent people (by how they answer the questions during jury selection)?

[I. Ben Hurt]

Talking to myself and answering my own question, I remember the Shepard case and his sexual preferences as a "hate crime" qualifier.

[Judith Anne]

I have relatives in Wichita. No one there thinks that the black jurors will do any less than render a just verdict. The crime spree, even if it did not cross any racial bar, is so absolutely unbelievably gross, demonic, disgusting, horrific and devastating, that there can be no question of the verdict.

And there is a living witness, who is testifying.

Again, I don't think there will be a problem with the black jurors.

[republicman]

--I'm beginning to wonder about this judge.--

Me too.

--Maybe someone could explain to me if a "hate crime" strictly means crimes committed because of racial hatred.--

It also means that victims were "selected on the basis of race" of course it probably varies from state to state.

I find it curious that these guys, being black, probably living in a mostly black neighborhood, would only find whites to kill. But then its hard to know since the DA, as I understand it, sealed certain records.

BTW re: shepard there was no evidence that he was selected because of his sexual preference other than that the guys who robbed and pistol whipped him used the promise of a sexual liason to lure him to where he was killed.

Comparing the two there is no more evidence of "hate" being the motivator in Shepard than race being the motivator in this one.

[republicman]

--Again, I don't think there will be a problem with the black jurors.--

I hope you're right. We'll see.

[johnny7]

I don't know about the jurors, but the 2 brothers are blaming each other of the heinous acts.

It is concievable that one of them might walk or at least get a reduced sentence.