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FBI HAS ASKED PENTAGON TO SEARCH RECORDS FOR GI’S WHO HAD GONE THROUGH SNIPER SCHOOL
Drudge Report ^ | 10/13/02

Posted on 10/13/2002 9:17:06 AM PDT by Brian Mosely

FBI HAS ASKED PENTAGON TO SEARCH RECORDS FOR RECENTLY DISCHARGED GI’S WHO HAD GONE THROUGH SNIPER SCHOOL, FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS TELL TIME

Nearly 1,000 People Working On Sniper Case, Including ATF Units, U.S. Marshals, and State Police

FBI Creating Animated 3-D Computer-Graphic Displays to Reconstruct Crime Scene, In Hopes of Jogging Witnesses Memories

New York -- The FBI has asked the Pentagon to search its records for recently discharged GIs who had gone through sniper school, federal law enforcement sources tell TIME. The schools teach snipers to work in tandem—one as the spotter, the other as the shooter, TIME’s Amanda Ripley reports.

An estimated 1,000 people are working on the case, including Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms units, U.S. Marshals and state police. The FBI. is creating animated 3-D computer-graphic displays to reconstruct the crime scene and help calculate the sniper’s position, in hopes of jogging potential witnesses’ memories, TIME reports.

The Science of Catching a Killer If there’s any consolation for horrified Americans watching the drama of the sniper slayings unfold, it’s that now, more than ever in history, officials have the skills to catch so slippery a killer, TIME’s Jeffrey Kluger reports. Even as the shooter—or shooters—taunted investigators by picking off more victims last week, police unleashed an unprecedented arsenal of tools to crack the case: geographic-profiling computers to try to pinpoint the killer’s location, ballistics databases that might link his unique bullet markings to other crimes, and trace-substance technology to lift whatever clues (fingerprints, DNA) might adhere to a shell casing or a tarot card.

But investigators are less dependent than ever on chance, and what they’ve unveiled this week is only a sampling of what they have in their high-tech kits, TIME reports. Perhaps the most futuristic—and controversial—of the new crime-busting technologies is a procedure known as brain fingerprinting. The principle behind the technique is that when the brain processes an image it recognizes (as opposed to one it has never seen before), it emits distinct electrical impulses that are detectable by scalp sensors. A positive response to a photo of a crime scene may mean a suspect was there before; a negative response may help confirm an alibi.

TIME.com Person of the Week: Charles A. Moose For his role as the unofficial spokesman for the sniper investigation, Charles Moose is TIME’s person of the week. This strong-willed, inveterate leader wants to do it his way — a tall order when you consider the masses of media, federal police and FBI agents swarming around each new crime scene — and second-guessing every move that's made.



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To: John H K

First USMC Scout Sniper Instructor Class. Summer 1977
Weapons Training Battalion, Quantico, Virginia

Well, golly . . . Maybe they're trying to pin this on a black boy. Let's calculate the probabilities, shall we?

41 posted on 10/13/2002 9:57:34 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: PatrioticAmerican
How do YOU know he is shooting from 150? Because the Police say so? Please. He is playing with them.
42 posted on 10/13/2002 9:58:39 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: BuddhaBoy
I think that they should check the records of who is sniper trained nationwide, and then cross-check that list with who has served some time in prison and converted to Islam. Home-grown recruits for Al Qeda are plentiful inside the walls - Patrice Ford kind of guy with some sniper training.

Or maybe it is just some @ssholes from The Brady Bunch (Sarah, et al.)

43 posted on 10/13/2002 9:58:54 AM PDT by 11B3
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To: LibWhacker
Hey, it could happen! LOL!
44 posted on 10/13/2002 9:59:32 AM PDT by BuddhaBoy
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To: Clara Lou
What theory, what manual? Half the freepers on these threads have thought up much more complicated scenarios.
45 posted on 10/13/2002 10:00:09 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: hosepipe
You don't have to be an army trained sniper to pull this off. Duh!.. A good shot with a flare for sneaky'ness would do, even less.

Go to any wooded paintball range if you want to see cunning and markmanship. Granted they are not using long guns but they are conditioned to trigger pull

46 posted on 10/13/2002 10:00:19 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: Brian Mosely
How many drive by shootings across the country go unsolved??

If a military conection exists (police have sniper schools also), I bet it's something like the recent reservist who joined to get training so he do do his thing for al-queda.

47 posted on 10/13/2002 10:03:04 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Brian Mosely
The FBI should assume that it might be the very same guy who sent the anthrax letters. That might cut down on the Bureau's manpower requirements and enable the few capable agents they have to solve the crime . . .
48 posted on 10/13/2002 10:03:05 AM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: Brian Mosely
Thanks for the post.

Perhaps the most futuristic—and controversial—of the new crime-busting technologies is a procedure known as brain fingerprinting. The principle behind the technique is that when the brain processes an image it recognizes (as opposed to one it has never seen before), it emits distinct electrical impulses that are detectable by scalp sensors. A positive response to a photo of a crime scene may mean a suspect was there before; a negative response may help confirm an alibi.

This ought to be controversial. Let's assume the FBI/ATF etc test anyone who has ever taken "sniper" training and come up with a "positive" response. Now what? They have someone to include in the "suspect pool?"

Now we're talking anyone with darn near any rifle training at targets other than paper. No thanks, folks. There are many training opportunities out there for civilians who shoot in competition or just simply want skills other than paper-punching.

My recommendation is to call your attorney and answer no questions if the alphabet agency boys show up and ask you to take this test.

49 posted on 10/13/2002 10:05:23 AM PDT by toddst
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To: LibWhacker
Oh, God . . . The politically correct a-white-guy-did-it theory. Gotta feel sorry for any diligent agent who's on the right track and going against the grain in that agency. He'll be demoted to mail boy before this is over.

Not necessarily a white guy. Let's not fall into the pre-9/11 trap of thinking that everyone in the military is necessarily a patriot. The American-born Portland al-Qaeda member who joined the reserves expressly to get training for jihad is just one example of how Islamists may have infiltrated our armed forces. I'm afraid that can or worms has yet to be fully opened.

50 posted on 10/13/2002 10:06:45 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Brian Mosely
I stated on an earlier thread that this guys greatest asset is the lack of situational awareness by the populace. Even with this guy running around killing people, everyone is still oblivious to their surroundings. To be fully aware of your surroundings at all times takes a lot of commitment and training. I think if the people in his area of operation stopped thinking about menial issues and concentrated on observing their surrounings at several short intervals through the course of the day, this guy would be closer to being caught.
51 posted on 10/13/2002 10:11:53 AM PDT by Ajnin
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To: John H K
And would know that .223 was "good enough" for this purpose.

And he might know that you would think this so he wouldn't use the .223 cal.

But then, he might know that we know that he knows that we know...

52 posted on 10/13/2002 10:12:16 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: stuartcr
What theory, what manual? Half the freepers on these threads have thought up much more complicated scenarios.
I don't quite know how to respond to your post-- it doesn't make sense. I explained what I meant in my posts. And, what's your point about "complicated scenarios"? Is this a contest? Do we get more points for making up "complicated scenarios"?
53 posted on 10/13/2002 10:12:49 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Brian Mosely
Headline you will never see:

FBI HAS ASKED INS TO SEARCH RECORDS FOR MUSLIM SNIPERS RECENTLY ADMITTED TO U.S.

54 posted on 10/13/2002 10:14:07 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: BuddhaBoy
If this dude is a military-trained sniper...the odds are against anyone ever getting him. He won't place himself in a bad position or risk getting caught. This could very well continue into Xmas season....and we might see 40 or 50 victums.
55 posted on 10/13/2002 10:16:32 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: stuartcr
See #25 and #52. We're getting too smart by half on this.

So now he's a professionally trained sniper who is shooting a less than 'sniperly' .223 as close ranges (which WILL eventually help him get caught) instead of shooting at >300 meter ranges with a better weapon BECAUSE he wants us to think he's NOT professionally trained?

We don't even know if this is all the same person or team yet.

56 posted on 10/13/2002 10:22:33 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: tubebender
Yeah, those .50's will go through a person, sixteen walls, three cars, ricochet up and bring down an airliner.

Plus they are highly concealable, cheap, quiet, and most .50 cal owners are unknown to each other.

57 posted on 10/13/2002 10:26:10 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: BuddhaBoy
Military sniper training only covers escape and evade from the out doors. I have NEVER seen a military training manuel that discusses how to evade LEO.
58 posted on 10/13/2002 10:31:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Eagle Eye
My point was the outcry of the anti-gunners.
59 posted on 10/13/2002 10:31:55 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: Eagle Eye
This whole emphasis on "military-trained" snipers seems to me to be a red herring. With Paladin Press selling over 30 instructional videos and books on sniping, it could be anyone doing this.
60 posted on 10/13/2002 10:33:24 AM PDT by MineralMan
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