THE OKLAHOMA CITY -- 911 CONNECTION

http://twa800.com/news/mastalk-10-10-02.htm ^ | 10/13/02 | Michael Smerconish

[DoughtyOne]

I just taped some very good sequences that show what I'm talking about. I'd be interested in seeing alternative opinions regarding what I believe I saw.

John, I know the government says there was no disruption left rear. I don't believe it. It has been challenged by other folks. Consistant with what I saw in the video I'm referencing, I don't see how there could possibly not been major blowout in the left rear area of his head.

I'll try to develop a video sequence of this and altert you when I have it posted.

[JohnFiorentino]

You are welcome to do as you wish. I'd be happy to look at it. But I can assure you, that there was absolutely NO disruption to the left rear of the President's head.

[expatpat]

Perhaps the threat of disclosing what Clinton did is more valuable as a lever than wasting it by disclosing it now.

[IncPen]

I've read some reasonably convincing things here on FR (articles, opinions) that lead me to believe that OKC was not just the work of home-grown nuts.

I also believe Flight 800 was knocked down by a missle.

And I believe that JFK was murdered by 3 or more people and that Oswald was nothing more than a patsy. Watching the Zapruder film I find it impossible to believe that those last gruesome frames were the result of a shot from above or behind.

But I have an open mind on the subject, and if you have a book that makes a convincing case I'd probably read it.

Good luck with it.

[Brian Allen]

<< The ugly secret is that it was the cli'ton "administration" that had to have McVeigh and Nichols as the only perpetrators. >>

It was actually the cli'ton re-erection campaign that forced the "inquiry" to be limited to the white males, McVeigh and Nichols.

And Rush Limbaugh.

And the cli'tons' crime-family "administration" that executed that strategy.

[Asmodeus]

You added your own agreement in #6 to the article author's statement: "I'M NOT A conspiracy guy" with the following comments:

"I am also not much for conspiracies, but I continue to look into Oklahoma City, and TWA Flight 800, among other things."

You also included TWA Flight 800 in the keyword subjects of this thread, an invitation for the readers to discuss, debate, comment and ask questions about that subject too.

You earlier also posted the following elsewhere related to both TWA 800 and the conspiracy theories about that disaster:

Yahoo TWA800 forum - April 12, 2002
From: John Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [twa800] Kabofovic revisited
[excerpt][quote][emphasis added]
Most here are convinced a "missile" did the dirty deed. I'm not, not yet at least. The initial assessment was "bomb". I thought so to. I still do. [end quote]

TEN metallurgists reportedly examined the wreckage of the 747 (four from the NTSB, three from Boeing, two from the FBI Laboratory, and one scientist consultant) and found no evidence of a bomb (or missile) in the wreckage of TWA 800 [Source]. Once again, please clarify for the readers whether you believe those ten metallurgists were incompetent or part of a coverup conspiracy?

[Asmodeus]

 

BONES OF CONTENTION
by Enid Gray, Australia  (Copyright - March 1999)

Why do authors continue to print Autopsy photograph No. 44 displaying the skull defect in President Kennedy's head the wrong way around?

Recently, I borrowed two books written by different authors, who are regarded by many assassination researchers as experts in their field. This is indeed high praise.  Yet both men who are profilic writers, make the identical mistake by reprinting autopsy photograph numbered 44 incorrectly.  Agreed, they are not the only writers who have done so, but as a former nurse who has witnessed autopsies first hand, I find this re-occurring error infuriating.  It's also inexcusable, for the outcome is far too important to allow any author to continually print anatomical errors that misdirect us all.

It is not necessary to have a degree in forensics or be a brain surgeon to appreciate that the skull is a remarkable rigid structure that encloses the brain completely.  There are countless clear photographs, illustrations and plastic models available for us to see what it looks like.  Some are detailed enough that they show us exactly where on the skull a bone is situated.

To understand what happens at an autopsy during the procedure to remove the brain it will be necessary to read David Liftons book "Best Evidence".  Illustrated on page 441 (of Best Evidence) is a diagram showing the head with a dotted line.  This is the area on the scalp that the skin is cut by the pathologist.  The skin is then peeled over the forehead where it sits above the eyes not unlike a roll of pastry.  Knowing that, you'll realise that the correct way to orientate the autopsy photograph is to turn the page around so what was once on the left side of the page is now against the midriff, i.e. the photo is to be turned 90 degrees anticlockwise.  You're now looking into the cavity of the empty of the empty skull.  The fractured head bones are clearly visible as is the bevelled edge of an exit hole caused by a bullet.  The photograph was taken from an anterior-superior position, which means from the front to the back.  What both authors describe as the left hand side of the head is actually reflected scalp sitting on the forehead.
 
 

Using your powers of observation re-examine the photo the right way around.  You will notice a ruler measuring the defect and gloved fingers which appear to be supporting the back of the skull very near the blurry outline of a shoulder.  The cranium is empty so it's important to remember that this is how the skull looked after the pathlogists removed the brain.  The thickness of the cracked skull bones demonstrates that they are more likely situated at the rear of the head.  Now look at the area below the bone containing the semi-circular notch and notice the reflected scalp.  This roll of skin is a very important feature.  Because it's the practice of pathologists to reflect the scalp over the face when removing the brain at an autopsy and not sideways, this feature clearly establishes that this autopsy photograph, when oriented correctly, was taken from the front.  Any other placement makes no sense.

It's no bloody wonder that the autopsy of President Kennedy still remains clouded in confusion.  Maybe in the future, authors will consult with a few medical experts before leaping into print and re-arranging the human body.  They may even be concientious enough to observe an autopsy in progress.  Maybe then they'll stop printing their version of Autopsy photograph 44 that leads us all astray.

[Asmodeus]

Source.

[M. T. Cicero II]

Gerald Ford said of the Warren Commission: "We told the truth. Just not all of the truth." I believe him (seriously).

[JohnFiorentino]

Give it up Barr, you are disruptive, repetitive, and frankly boring. You have been banned from this forum before by the moderators. Your "sources" always posted in your diatribes are your own. You operate a "cartoon page" website where you attempt to disparage anyone who doesn't agree with you. Fifty years of investigative experience? I say bunk!

[Rebelbase]

Ping.

[Andy from Beaverton]

I'd put TWA800 on that list too. I don't believe anything that came from the Clinton years, especially that the Davidians killed themselves.

[tomkat]

well, conspiracy theories or no, it's considered good form around here
to do at least a cursory search beforehand to avoid duplicate postings.

as for hawking your 'book', i suppose if jim let's it slide that's his call,
but it's hard to see the difference 'tween that and one of us self-employed types posting our wares here ...

$0.02

[Tedmeister]

It amazed me how quickly they executed McVeigh, most death row inmates wait for years. Appears to be another Clinton cover up.

[Cobra Scott]

Are you familiar with the airline flight that went down, supposedly Nixon had something to do with it (directly or indirectly). I believe it was in the midwest, in 1970.

I ask this because if this stuff is at least a passing interest to you, maybe you could throw out some good names or other keywords to track the incident? I come up blank, it was obscure at that time, even. I can't offer anything more on it, which is why it has bugged me for so long. This was way before Gore invented the internet....

[Asmodeus]

"as for hawking your 'book', i suppose if jim let's it slide that's his call, but it's hard to see the difference 'tween that and one of us self-employed types posting our wares here.

Donaldson brothers TWA 800 Bulletin Board - Subject: Ricky Raesz - January 14 2001 - John Fiorentino
[excerpt],quote] As the author of a forthcoming book on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and in my occupation as a Paralegal-- having investigated many "conspiracy" theories -- it would seem the first step would be to prove conclusively that TWA Flight 800 was IN FACT downed by a missile or missiles. [end quote][emphasis his]

Yahoo TWA800 Forum on 29 May 2001:
[excerpt][quote]John Fiorentino - Occupation: Entrepreneur, Author, Record Producer, Independent researcher & Paralegal Investigator, Author of forthcoming book on the assassination of President Kennedy. Debut release on my Indie record label due out soon! [end quote]

[JohnFiorentino]

And your point is what?.......ASMODEUS?

[JohnFiorentino]

I believe you may be referring to United Airlines Flight 553 out of Wash., D.C. which exploded while attempting to land in Chicago 12/8/72.