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At War With EVIL (FReeper GaryMontana)
Free Republic | 10-14-2002 | GaryMontana

Posted on 10/13/2002 11:09:03 PM PDT by blam

At War With EVIL

What did we (in America) learn from September 11, 2001 and the deaths of 3,000 people. I am tempted to admit: Absolutely nothing.

Among the many unlearned lessons of Day-Which-Will-Live-In-Infamy-II-- the necessity to control our borders, the need for a patriotic renewal and the importance of combating multiculturalism -- the most significant is the nature of Islam. You will note that I do not say militant Islam, or radical Islam, or Islamic extremism or other such weasel words – but Islam, period.

Every one of the hijackers who flew airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon were professing and practicing Moslems, as is Osama bin Laden. The Al Qaeda terrorist network, is based in Moslem countries and supported financially by the so called pious Moslem leadership of Saudi Arabia.

The overwhelming majority of Moslem religious authorities who have spoken out on the subject, including those at the main mosque in Mecca and Egypt’s prestigious Al Azar University, either endorse or rationalize acts of terrorism. On a day when Americans were incinerated or buried under tons of rubble, Muslims from Nigeria to Indonesia, celebrated in the streets.

Sept. 11 was one chapter in a 1400-year jihad. Every day, the World Trade Center massacre is reenacted on a smaller scale somewhere in the world. Jewish women and children are burned alive in a bus in Israel. A missionary is beheaded in the Philippines, gunmen shoot up a church in Pakistan (deliberately firing into the prostrate bodies of women trying to shield their children). Ancient monasteries and convents are destroyed in Kosovo. Women are sentenced to death for adultery in Nigeria, Hindus are murdered in the Kashmir. In Denmark, the Muslim community there has put a $30,000 bounty on the heads of Jews and those who support Israel. Nuns are beheaded in Baghdad, Christians in Sudan are forced into slavery, and in Britain, Islam openly states it is going to take over not only the UK, but the whole world -- and the beat goes on.

Genocide in the Sudan, ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, religious persecution in Saudi Arabia, calls for another holocaust in mosques from Mecca to Gaza, the imposition of Islamic law in Nigeria, forced conversions in Indonesia, synagogues burned in France, Jews attacked across Europe – these are everyday events, as Third World and much of the First slowly turns Islamic green.

Sadly our leaders, from President Bush on down, insist on peddling the absurdity that Islam is a religion of peace – a creed of kindness and benevolence tragically and inexplicably corrupted by fanatics.

Why is the leadership of the West reluctant to confront manifest reality? The reason lies partly with our absurd foreign policy. We have declared certain Moslem nations to be our loyal allies – including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. We would not want to offend these dear friends by saying something unflattering about their bloody, butcherly, dark ages faith.

Americans are naturally benevolent. Most of us are taught from childhood that is religion is good (and it does not matter which religion). As long as little Johnny believes in God and goodness, it’s inconsequential whether he lights candles, wears a skull cap to services or prays in the direction of Mecca.

This works with every religion except Islam.

Consider the following: Of the three major western religions: one was started by a lawgiver who helped to free slaves; one by a man of peace; the last one by a man who loved war and having sex with children. Mohammed not only led men into battle, he enjoyed marrying girls as young as six years old (it is in the Koran). The essence of his message is sick and disgusting. A holy war where you slaughter your enemies, while at the same time encouraging followers to have sex with the children they capture (as he did) for the glory of Allah. He even advised his followers to negotiate false peace treaties in order to lull their enemies.

For almost 1,400 years, that has been the reality of Islam. Within a century after the death of Mohammed, Islam spread throughout the Middle East and across North Africa. It overran the Iberian peninsula and was finally stopped in southern France. It spread eastward as far as the southern Philippines. It was not propagated by fresh-faced young men knocking on doors and announcing: “Hello. I’m from your local mosque. Have you considered the Koran?” It was and is spread by force – conversion by the sword or death. This is still in practice today.

Some will respond that all religions go through periods of violence, usually in their infancy. Christianity had its crusades and Inquisition, its forced conversions and expulsions. The evil committed in the name of Christ happened centuries ago. The evil committed in the name of the Prophet is going on now, as you read these words. Of 22 conflicts in the Third World, 20 involve Moslems versus someone else. Coincidence? In his brilliant book, “Clash of Cultures and the Remaking of World Order,” Samuel Huntington speaks of Islam’s “bloody borders.”

There is no Methodist Jihad, no Jewish Hasidic holy warriors, no Buddhist monk wanting to have 72 virgins waiting for him after a suicide bombing, no Hindu Holy men plotting to blow up people, no Southern Baptist suicide bombers, no Mormon elders preaching the annihilation of members of other faiths.

Islam is a warrior religion – the perfect vessel for fanatics, the violence-prone, the envious and haters of all stripes. This is one reason why Islam is making so many converts among the peaceable denizens of our prison system.

Still, much of the West is addicted to a fairy-tale version of Islam. Christian and Jewish clergy fall all over themselves to have interfaith services with imams. Representatives of Moslem groups are invited to the White House. The president signs a Ramadan declaration. In California, public schools ask children to role-play at being Moslems. Our universities take carefully selected verses from the Koran and present them as the essence of the faith. All that’s needed is a Moslem character on “Sesame Street.” Look – it’s the Jihad Monster!

This perspective engenders a fatally false sense of security. Imagine, in 1940, Winston Churchill taking to the airwaves to announce “Nazism is an ideology of peace which, regrettably, has been perverted by a few fanatics like Hitler and Goebbels. But most storm troopers and SS men are fine follows – your friends and neighbors.”

For the first thousand years of its history – from the death of Mohammad to the 17th. century decline of the Ottoman empire, Islam was an expansionist force. For the next 300 years, as the West rose to preeminence, Islam receded. For the past four decades – fueled by Arab oil wealth, a surplus population in the Middle East, the waning of the West and the rise of more virulent strains of the faith (Shiism, Wahhabism, Sunni fundamentalism) – Islam is expanding once more.

Due to Moslem immigration and aggressive proselytizing, Islam is being exported to the West. Moslem populations are burgeoning throughout Western Europe. (In southern France, there are more mosques than churches.) In Judeo-Christian America, Islam is the fastest growing religion. It is also spreading down the coast of West Africa, through the Balkans (after Serbia, Macedonia is the next target) and up from Mindanao in the Philippines.

Wherever it comes, Islam brings its delightful customs – child marriages, female circumcisions, rabid hatred toward Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and every other non-muslim, terrorism and support for terrorism and a virulent intolerance of other faiths.

Am I suggesting we declare war on over 1 billion million Moslems? The question is moot – Islam has declared war on the rest of the human race. When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins?

Ultimately, it is not about Jews in Israel, or Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, or Hindus in Kashmir, Buddhists in Thailand, or Maronite Catholics in Lebanon, Taoists in China, or Christians in Sudan and Nigeria, but all of us. As Ben Franklin would have it – Either we will hang together, or surely we shall all hang separately.


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This article was written by FReeper GaryMontana. It was originally posted on a thread and he has agreed to let me post it as a seperate thread. Pass it around.
1 posted on 10/13/2002 11:09:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: Auntie Mame; JulieRNR21
ping.
2 posted on 10/13/2002 11:09:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids; maranatha; Brad's Gramma; ApesForEvolution
Ping
3 posted on 10/13/2002 11:21:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: EternalVigilance; Alas Babylon!; Rockpile; WRhine
Ping.
4 posted on 10/13/2002 11:22:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: flaglady47; Palladin
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5 posted on 10/13/2002 11:23:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: nutmeg
Bump to read later
6 posted on 10/13/2002 11:23:58 PM PDT by nutmeg
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To: blam
Thanks for the ping.

This is some of the most insightful and thought-provoking writing I have seen on FR at any time.
7 posted on 10/13/2002 11:25:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: GaryMontana
Am I suggesting we declare war on over 1 billion million Moslems? The question is moot – Islam has declared war on the rest of the human race. When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins?

Bravo!

Good to know someone out there is wide awake.

Islam means submission!

8 posted on 10/13/2002 11:28:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
islam is bill clinton squared
9 posted on 10/13/2002 11:41:34 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: GaryMontana
Ping.
10 posted on 10/13/2002 11:44:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Great article.

Islam writhes in its own death throes, trying to take the rest of civilization with it.

God willing, its last breath will be soon.

11 posted on 10/13/2002 11:54:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: blam
Good article. However, "female circumcisions" are an African tradition that have nothing to do with Islam. This is often brought up by people and only weakens their argument. I hate Islam as much as the next red blooded American, but the opposition (liberals) will use factual errors against us, even though their entire message is false to the point of absurdity.
12 posted on 10/14/2002 12:29:08 AM PDT by thedugal
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To: thedugal
I wish you were right, but sadly this is not so. In Egypt (according to the latest information from the UN) over 72% of the women are "Circumcised". There are other statistics which show that "female circumcision" is practiced in the Islamic world.
13 posted on 10/14/2002 12:39:44 AM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: blam
This ought to be required reading!
15 posted on 10/14/2002 12:49:01 AM PDT by neutrino
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To: neutrino
Hooray for another beautiful example of why ignorance is the predominant disease in the United States. Not only has he shown a complete disregard for accuracy, Mr. Montana has also made one of the most abbrasive blanket statements to grace this site yet (which is quite a statement in itself).

I challenge each of you who has praised his string of ludicrous cliams to find factual support for them. In fact, I challenge Mr. Montana himself to present all of you with factual resources to support his statements. Sadly, this will not happen because people who speak in such a way as Mr. Montana do not have factual, reliable sources, and those sources that are provided generally are written by people of similar, bigoted viewpoints.

People, how hard is it for you to grow up and realize when someone is wrong? Just because someone uses the language well does not mean you have to agree with them. Try agreeing when a person is correct, rather than when they sound nice.
16 posted on 10/14/2002 12:59:35 AM PDT by DeviantMind
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To: DeviantMind; GaryMontana
Dear TowelHead-al-Jihadi,
Why dont you answer all the points that GaryMontana raises and gives proofs to the contrary...

17 posted on 10/14/2002 2:32:16 AM PDT by akash
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To: blam
Thanks, Blam. GaryMontana did an EXCELLENT job writing this!
18 posted on 10/14/2002 4:40:42 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: DeviantMind
Which one(s) of his claims do you disagree with and what is your evidence? So far, your entire statement was nothing but a blanket condemnation, which is the very thing you accused Montana of doing.
19 posted on 10/14/2002 4:52:53 AM PDT by xJones
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To: DeviantMind
I might add you have a closed mind. If you want to refute something, quote your own sources. If anything turns me off to a post, it is when the poster uses the term "ignorance".

Ignorance is the indicator that you have nothing valid to say, rather just attack. If that is all you have to say, why bother posting here, there are other forums more in tune with your thinking and style of attacking.

20 posted on 10/14/2002 5:01:50 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: DeviantMind
Dear Signed-Up-10-14-2002:

Refer to Robert Spencer's book Islam Unveiled for an excellent summary of the case for GaryMontana's position. It is liberally footnoted and referenced, and you will not find a dull page in it.

For further thoughts, please see:

Present Enemies, Future Wars

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

21 posted on 10/14/2002 5:46:45 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: DeviantMind
"People, how hard is it for you to grow up and realize when someone is wrong? Just because someone uses the language well does not mean you have to agree with them. Try agreeing when a person is correct, rather than when they sound nice."

He expresses my opinion prefectly.

22 posted on 10/14/2002 5:55:34 AM PDT by blam
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To: DeviantMind
Why don't we ask the fellow in the picture what he thinks about islam? Oh...that's right...we can't, can we? He's dead.


23 posted on 10/14/2002 5:56:33 AM PDT by neutrino
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To: kayak; Valleygirl; Mad_Tom_Rackham; bluefish; Utah Girl; CJ Wolf
Required Reading.
24 posted on 10/14/2002 5:57:52 AM PDT by blam
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To: DeviantMind
Good screen name
25 posted on 10/14/2002 6:17:15 AM PDT by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: blam
This is required reading to the extent I have forwarded it this morning to over a hundred people. This is a brilliant piece. In fact, it appears to be criss-crossing the country. I had three emails this AM from non-freepers who sent me this article.

To me, this is one of the most important posts ever to appear on FR. It truly describes the nature of our enemy in words all can understand. Does it do any good if we read it ourselves, agree with it and then move on? I hope everyone reading these words participates in a major one-person freep and forwards it to whomever they can.

We are at war. Too many well-intentioned Americans are enjoying football and the good life right now and still are not connected with reality. To them, terror and horror are things that happen someplace else, not in their own back yard.

Please link this article and send it to everyone you know. Flood the country with it.

Leni

26 posted on 10/14/2002 6:17:17 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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"Please link this article and send it to everyone you know. Flood the country with it."

I intend to make 81/2" x 11" flyers of it and pass it out everywhere I go. (Unfortunately, I seldom go anywhere)

27 posted on 10/14/2002 6:27:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks for posting this, blam. This is a particularly effective paragraph:

Imagine, in 1940, Winston Churchill taking to the airwaves to announce “Nazism is an ideology of peace which, regrettably, has been perverted by a few fanatics like Hitler and Goebbels. But most storm troopers and SS men are fine follows – your friends and neighbors.”

28 posted on 10/14/2002 6:42:23 AM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: blam; All
This is a great article. I hope Freepers will book mark this and everytime you fly anywhere, print enough copies to leave one in each airplane seat pocket in front of your seat.

It is important that this get read by as many Americans as possible.
29 posted on 10/14/2002 6:47:38 AM PDT by BADJOE
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To: DeviantMind
Which one of these statements in GaryMontana's article are false?

1. Every one of the hijackers who flew airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon were professing and practicing Moslems, as is Osama bin Laden.

2. The Al Qaeda terrorist network, is based in Moslem countries and supported financially by the so called pious Moslem leadership of Saudi Arabia.

3. The overwhelming majority of Moslem religious authorities who have spoken out on the subject, including those at the main mosque in Mecca and Egypt’s prestigious Al Azar University, either endorse or rationalize acts of terrorism.

4. On a day when Americans were incinerated or buried under tons of rubble, Muslims from Nigeria to Indonesia, celebrated in the streets.

5. Sept. 11 was one chapter in a 1400-year jihad.

6. Every day, the World Trade Center massacre is reenacted on a smaller scale somewhere in the world.

7. Jewish women and children are burned alive in a bus in Israel.

8. A missionary is beheaded in the Philippines, gunmen shoot up a church in Pakistan (deliberately firing into the prostrate bodies of women trying to shield their children).

9. Ancient monasteries and convents are destroyed in Kosovo.

10. Women are sentenced to death for adultery in Nigeria, Hindus are murdered in the Kashmir.

11. In Denmark, the Muslim community there has put a $30,000 bounty on the heads of Jews and those who support Israel.

12. Nuns are beheaded in Baghdad, Christians in Sudan are forced into slavery, and in Britain, Islam openly states it is going to take over not only the UK, but the whole world ...

You state the author "has shown a complete disregard for accuracy," and has made "the most abbrasive blanket statements to grace this site yet." Of the 12 short excerpts posted above, which ones are untrue and why?

30 posted on 10/14/2002 6:52:26 AM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: DeviantMind
Were you born this stupid or is there a special school for aquiring your level of it?

Its odd that you can't even refute any of the thesis, just spout off how anyone who praises it is obviously being mislead.

Put up or scurry back under that DU rock you came from...
31 posted on 10/14/2002 7:06:56 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: blam
I've copied & emailed the article.

Islam - Religion of Peace 0cents Stamp

32 posted on 10/14/2002 7:12:45 AM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: blam
Found a web page of editorial cartoons from around the world.

This one from Lebanon was one of the best.

"Link to site"Scroll down for a list of editorial cartoons from around the world. Other stuff on the site is also interesting.

33 posted on 10/14/2002 7:18:11 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: DeviantMind
DeviantMind signed up 2002-10-14.

34 posted on 10/14/2002 7:20:00 AM PDT by bankwalker
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To: N. Theknow
Oh! Satire for a recruiting video for Al Qaeda.

"Link: It's an animation short with some gruesome parts" The part about "Casual Bruka Friday" is especially good.

35 posted on 10/14/2002 7:24:32 AM PDT by N. Theknow
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To: blam
Bump!
36 posted on 10/14/2002 7:40:50 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: blam
bump
37 posted on 10/14/2002 7:48:20 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: BrooklynGOP; swarthyguy; Monty22; Recovering_Democrat; BenLurkin; Route66; woofie; COB1; ...
PING!
38 posted on 10/14/2002 8:00:40 AM PDT by blam
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To: MinuteGal; blam; Jim Robinson
This article says what many are thinking but are either afraid to say or just can't express themselves as well.

I agree that it is one of the most important posts ever written on FR......in fact, I believe it deserves a special link on the FR Home page.

Jim, what do you think?
39 posted on 10/14/2002 8:51:23 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: blam; floriduh voter; dorben; gatorman; Fearless Flyers; Luke FReeman; Clemenza; ...
Pinging Florida Freepers!

Don't miss this awesome article written by Freeper Gary Montana!
40 posted on 10/14/2002 8:53:25 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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To: JohnHuang2
Dear King of Ping:

This may be one of the most important posts ever written on FR......please give it your Mega Ping!

Your loyal subject,
Julie
41 posted on 10/14/2002 8:55:16 AM PDT by JulieRNR21
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42 posted on 10/14/2002 8:59:24 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: DeviantMind
I think that garymontana is generally correct in his assertions. In the course of discussions about issues we do not normally require people to have footnotes for every single detail, assertion or fact they mention, especially in an editorial. So, you are asking for a special set of standards for garymontana. Then you said that we had to have these special higher standards for people like him because his point of view is wrong. Would it be too much to ask for you to provide sources that each of his assertions are false? I'm sure it wouldn't be because you said that garymontana's participation in public debate was illegitimate unless he did this. So, surely you will live by the same standards.

DeviantMind - that is an interesting screen name. Perhaps you're just bent on civilizational suicide and the promotion of evil. Why else would you pick that screen name and then have this hysterical attack on garymontana, wanting to make up special standards just for him, as if you're some sort of gate-keeper for truth.
43 posted on 10/14/2002 9:06:08 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: blam; GaryMontana
Gary;

So you did write this.

BRAVO!

44 posted on 10/14/2002 9:31:00 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: blam; GaryMontana
Excellent essay! As lucid as it gets. Deserves a bookmark.
45 posted on 10/14/2002 10:10:41 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win
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To: MinuteGal
In fact, it appears to be criss-crossing the country. I had three emails this AM from non-freepers who sent me this article.

FR rules!

46 posted on 10/14/2002 10:16:55 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win
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To: EternalVigilance
USA is in real trouble, as long as George Bush does not realize that Islam has declared war on the USA. USA has not faced up to it's terrorism problem even as much as some Arab countries that have outlawed some Islamic groups.
George Bush has no business telling the Israelis to lay down and roll over so terrorists can destroy them, and he needs to stop talking out of both sides of his mouth. I do support my president, but he does seem awfully dumb about Islam and it's goals against freedom and democracy.
47 posted on 10/14/2002 10:23:21 AM PDT by tessalu
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To: Red Jones; DeviantMind
DeviantMind - that is an interesting screen name. Perhaps you're just bent on civilizational suicide and the promotion of evil. Why else would you pick that screen name

Indeed. DeviantMind, would you care to explain us what made you choose this screen name? I mean, if you chose it as a self-description, you can't really expect us to take you seriously!

48 posted on 10/14/2002 10:29:16 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win
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To: Semper911
Ping.
49 posted on 10/14/2002 11:03:26 AM PDT by blam
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To: mhking
Will you put this on your ping list? Thanks.
50 posted on 10/14/2002 11:08:29 AM PDT by blam
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