Posted on 10/16/2002 4:10:42 AM PDT by Captain Shady
Uhhhhhhhhhh, I believe he is referring to the war crimes of Sherman's March, Sheridan's destruction of the Shenandoah Valley, and Reconstruction's rape of the Southern states. Reconstruction and Sherman's March were nothing more than official excuses for pillaging and plundering the private homes of the wealthy Southerners. I daresay the Yankees would've howled forever had Lee allowed his troops to conduct themselves in the same manner as Sherman did. And I quote - 'On August 4, 1863 W.T. Sherman in camp on Big Black River, Mississippi, wrote to Grant at Vicksburg, "The amount of burning, stealing, and plundering done by our army makes me ashamed of it. I would quit the service if I could, because I fear that we are drifting to the worst sort of vandalism ... You and I and every other commander must go through the war justly charged with crimes at which we blush.'(emphasis is mine)
'General Bussey on March 8, 1865, reported to Major General Joseph J. Reynolds, Department of Arkansas: There are several thousand families within the limits of this command who are related to and dependent on the Arkansas soldiers in our service. These people have nearly been robbed of everything they had by the troops of this command, and are now left destitute and compelled to leave their homes to avoid starvation ... In most instances everything has been taken and no receipts given, the people turned out to starve, and their effects loaded into trains and sent to Kansas.' - 'The Uncivil War: Union Army and Navy Excesses in the Official Records' by Thomas Bland Keys copyright 1991. This book is an excellent chronicle of Yankee atrocities perpetrated on Southern civilians and it comes from the Official Archives of the US Army and Navy. This is what the man is talking about and it in no way makes him "out there on some wavelength".
The poster is obviously jealous since he ain't had his 15 minutes, nor do we expect him to.
Good on whoever posted the latest update.
Let's keep this one thread running and bumped.
I sure wish Mr. Edgerton the best and hope his journey is safe.
You are correct.
I will hold my fire.
Walt fooled me some time ago, on a thread. His true colors fly now.
And a brave man.
As this story gets coverage, no doubt hooligans of every stripe will show up to harrass HK.
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There ... now that is a typical loser response. I give you proof of what the man says, and you dodge it with the "show me someone" crap. I don't want any of your money, I was just illustrating with proof what the man was saying. You think what Sherman did was okay and justifiable, yet you would condemn Stalin and Hitler for their atrocities (which they say they did for the good of their nations) ..... hmmmmmmmmmm ... figure the odds. A typical Yankee, full of the hot air and horsesh*t of hypocrisy.
Excellent reply, sir, with a useful cite, to an unreconstructible revisionist. I appreciate the quote, and note the title.
"LG"
While I do not believe in reparations for slaves, I do feel that the Federal Government, The US Army and Yankees need to acknowledge their wrongs committed in the name of supposed "Union of States". It was nothing more than imperialism at its worst. The forced subjugation of the Southern States to remain in the Union was totally against what the Founders had fought for ... LIBERTY ... Man-over-Government ... self-determination! Lincoln totally prostituted the values our Founders bled for to further his own agenda. He didn't care about the slaves, but he did care about his damned revenues! He usurped the Constitution where he could get away with it under the guise of "extraordinary times calling for extraordinary measures." There is nothing in the Constitution that gave him the power to set aside Habeas Corpus ... that originally was to be decided by Congress with the guidance of the Supreme Court. His shutting down of news papers that didn't support his stand on war with the Confederate States ... a clear violation of the 1st Amendment. Military tribunals for civilians in Maryland?! Come on now .... Maryland was put under martial law for the express purpose of keeping it from voting on secession!
Then lets move on to Reconstruction (?) ... if you agree that setting up puppet governments in the Southern States was for the good of the Country, then you do not believe in Individual Liberty as conceived of by the Founders, nor the Republic they set up. Not to mention "Reconstruction" was nothing more than a guise for Yankee Carpetbaggers to head south and get rich off of picking the corpse of the Confederacy. They were nothing more than jackals who stripped the leavings that Sherman and his vandals overlooked when they went through. Yet you say the civilian populace of the South deserved no less because they had the temerity to secede? Horse sh*t! They utilized that which was a cornerstone of American belief for years ( and still is by the way) ... the right to alter or abolish a government when it fails to accomplish their needs! You know ... Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness?! But because they failed in their quest, you apparently agree they were rightfully at the mercy of a vengeful government. No sir! The North had no right to strip the Southern States civilians during or after the war.
But if you're of the school "Might makes right" then you will have to concur that what Hitler and Stalin did was okay also, no matter how many they killed or whose liberty was taken away. You can't have it both ways.
Just cause Lee surrendered don't mean I did!
Hell will freeze over, pigs will fly, and Hillary will be president before I will consent to an apology for actions taken during a war that the south initiated. Remain in denial all you want, but if an apology is in order then I suggest you find someone who can organize a seance, channel the spirit of Jefferson Davis and get the apology out of him. He brought it on you.
By the way, Maryland did vote on secession, April 29, 1861. They rejected it in favor of a neutral position.
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