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Now what in Iraq? (Very Disturbing)
Townhall.com ^ | October 14, 2002 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/16/2002 9:09:53 AM PDT by Korth

WASHINGTON -- Now that Congress has droned through a week of largely desultory debate to authorize the use of force against Iraq, how will it be exercised? That is properly a military secret, unknown even to members of Congress. More questionable, it is also unknown to senior military officers.

If there is a precise plan for action to remove Saddam Hussein from power, general officers at the Pentagon tell members of Congress that they are in the dark. This may be another example of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld working with a small circle of both official and unofficial advisers, fostering concern among career officers that plans are not being sufficiently reviewed by expert military opinion.

Hawkish civilians, in and out of the government, have been suggesting that Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard will throw up its arms in surrender. No serious person believes that. The question is whether an uprising of the persecuted Shia majority will be enough to overthrow the Baghdad regime without heavy application of U.S. force. If there is no effective revolt, the generals and their friends on Capitol Hill worry that the unknown plans may not call for sufficient U.S. forces.

The concern goes to the executive style of Don Rumsfeld, who recalls the forceful and abrasive qualities demonstrated by war secretaries in the mold of Edwin Stanton during the Civil War. To his credit, Rumsfeld has attempted to toughen up the officer corps, softened by standards of political correctness during the eight Clinton years. However, the officers who thought that happy days were here again on the day that George W. Bush became president have been disappointed.

Their disappointment stems from Rumsfeld's inclination, born of a turbulent lifetime in governmental and corporate affairs, to make decisions within a restricted circle. That includes war planning. According to Pentagon sources, the secretary does not consult the uniformed service chiefs. Participating in the immediate planning are Gen. Tommy Franks, commander in chief of the Central Command, and a few officers from the Pentagon's Joint Staff.

What most bothers the generals, however, is Rumsfeld's preference for outside advice. For example, Pentagon sources say a frequent consultant with the secretary is former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an amateur military expert and member of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board. There is no distribution through the Pentagon of such advice.

Generally, this advice probably follows the longtime line by Richard Perle, the Policy Board's chairman, that indigenous Shia forces will do most of the fighting to dislodge Saddam. That leads to the internal debate over whether 250,000 U.S. troops are needed for combat in Iraq or, instead, a much smaller number will do.

The professional military believes that Saddam's Republican Guard will fight, and that substantial U.S. forces will be needed. Contrary to a widespread popular impression, these elite troops did not surrender at the first sign of American troops in 1991. Saddam, displaying his instinct for survival, had brought his Guard back to Baghdad and placed untrained Shia recruits on the front line in the desert.

One Republican Guard unit, the Hammurabi tank division, was trying to get to Baghdad when it was mowed down by Maj. Gen. Barry McCaffrey's U.S. 24th Division at the Rumaila oil field in the Gulf War's famous "turkey shoot." Saddam decided not to risk his elite units in a hopeless military situation when he figured, correctly, that his regime could survive. His options figure to be different this time.

Officers at the Pentagon cut off from the secretary of defense worry about the Republican Guard conducting a last-ditch defense of Baghdad, using Iraqi civilians as shields. They ask: What are U.S. plans for conducting this kind of warfare, which would inflict a high casualty rate on both sides?

I asked a senior, well-informed Republican member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who is a strong supporter of President Bush, whether the U.S. military was preparing for war with Iraq with sufficient force to cover all possibilities. "They better have," he replied. When I rephrased the question, he gave exactly the same answer. He does not know, and neither do some gentlemen with four stars on their shoulders.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; middleeast; war
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To: Rye
Robert Novak mentioned his being jewish a number of years ago in an article in National Review. There is a Roman Catholic writer named Michael Novak, but I don't think that they are related.
21 posted on 10/16/2002 9:45:56 AM PDT by Korth
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To: aynrandfreak
Novak is a "CNN Conservative"

Precisely. To be employed by CNN as a conservative analyst, one must: A) be vehemently anti-Israel, B) be dead against any war with an Arab nation, for any reason.

Novak, Buchanan, and Rowland Evans are the prototype.

Tucker Carlson is an aberration.

22 posted on 10/16/2002 9:47:00 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Korth
The point of the article is that amateurs are making the plans without input from the experts.

That may be the point, but Novak doesn't make the case.

The small fry who are complaining to Novak are not in the loop, and deservedly so. The fact that Rumsfeld has friends and advisors who are non-military does not prove that the top brass are not fully onboard and providing the proper input.

Novak has an agenda, and it's not the same one as the President's.

23 posted on 10/16/2002 9:47:00 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Korth
Novak has part Jewish blood, but he's a practicing Catholic.
24 posted on 10/16/2002 9:48:13 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Korth
The planning is done with General Franks and his leutenants and advice from a couple of outside consultants.. Whats wrong with that? The political (i.e. Clintonized) Generals are being bypassed.. Again.. so what?
25 posted on 10/16/2002 9:49:46 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Korth
The point of the article is that amateurs are making the plans without input from the experts.

It states clearly that he meets with General Myers and members of the Joint Chiefs. They ARE experts.

26 posted on 10/16/2002 9:50:18 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: LarryM
I thought Novak was Jewish. What is your info on his Arab ancestry?
27 posted on 10/16/2002 9:51:15 AM PDT by Lightnin
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To: Korth
Not disturbing. Details are available on a "need to know" basis.

Novak does not need to know.

28 posted on 10/16/2002 10:01:06 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Korth
Novak converted to Catholicism within the last couple years. On the Ash Wednesday before last he appeared on Crossfire with the ashen smudge of the cross on his forehead.

And the name "Novak" is most likely Czech, Slovak, or Polish.

29 posted on 10/16/2002 10:01:13 AM PDT by ishmac
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To: Korth
Novak is Arab only in philosophy. He is virulently anti-Israel and a classic moral relativist on the subject. He throws out terms like 'cycle of violence' and 'Israeli occupation' in his sleep. CNN prefers to use 'conservatives' who are so compromised in their thinking that they won't sway viewership in that direction. Hence Tucker Carlson and Buchanan's seat on the right. Who among us is a Tucker Carlson conservative? Like him or not, Buchanan is the definition of divisive within conservative ranks. Novak is similarly infuriating and about the least person (behind Buchanan, Carlson) I would bring in to help a lib see the light.
30 posted on 10/16/2002 10:02:47 AM PDT by andrew
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To: ishmac
Novak converted to Catholicism within the last couple years. On the Ash Wednesday before last he appeared on Crossfire with the ashen smudge of the cross on his forehead.

Did you actually read someplace that he became Christian, or are you just guessing based on a smudge you saw?

31 posted on 10/16/2002 10:08:03 AM PDT by Korth
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To: KC_Conspirator
Some political columnists consider themselves not just commentators but players as well.

Friedman at the NY Times is notorious in this respect.

32 posted on 10/16/2002 10:08:06 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: CaptRon
I consider myself pretty serious and I believe it.

We might have to kill a few of them first, but I would be surprised if most didn't surrender.

33 posted on 10/16/2002 10:09:40 AM PDT by xm177e2
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To: Korth
Ah! Novak is just pissed because he was'nt included in some secret meetings so he could display all the secret stuff in his column notifying Hussein and appear to be a journalist and increasing his net publication worth. Somebody shooting up the Capital (probably terrorists) as a test case to refine their skills don't have a thing to do with all this is Novaks position(secretly). If the terrorists(D.C.) made a mistake and shot Novak, it might not be a shame. And just in case your wondering(hands on hips) by terrorists(D.C.) I did not mean the whole freepin democrat party. So there.

I say hang him on the white house lawn as a 5th columnist, as an object lesson.
and Don't forget the Baghdad 3 either...
*** I think dragging them through the streets behind a horse is a bit much though, maybe not, I'm open.

34 posted on 10/16/2002 10:10:41 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Dog Gone
"Novak has an agenda, and it's not the same one as the President's."

I agree. And I would dare say that many high ranking leaders in our military have agendas which are at odds with him as well.

Many of our best brass left during the Clinton administration and were replaced with men who will never be on the same page as Bush. I wish they would leave in mass on their own, but liberals don't do that.

That is why Rumsfeld is there...to make life miserable for those working against the President and to prevent them from being a hinderance to our nation's security.

If that makes him the 'bad guy'...so be it.
35 posted on 10/16/2002 10:12:16 AM PDT by Route66
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To: Korth
The real problem is that everyone with a keyboard - they're like anuses, everyone has one - has become an instant military expert. Over the course of the preceding month I've read, successively, all of the diplomatic steps we're going to take, all of the military activities including logistical buildup, deployment, order of battle, and - I do not exaggerate - serious strategic errors we've made during and after a war that is yet to even begin! All of this not only from U.S. sources but European, Asian, and even Middle East.

All I can say is if it's all true then Bush had one helluva big planning committee.

36 posted on 10/16/2002 10:13:16 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Korth
Novak's bit about the Republican Guard not being involved in the fighting is seriously revisionist or an outright lie. The RG were viciously mauled and pummeled by concentrated B-52 strikes and Fuel/Air explosives before the ground war in a delibrate attempt to take them out BEFORE ground combat commenced. They were decimated. After action reports showed a 55-80% attrition rate before ground combat began. The bombing was so sucessful the REMNANTs of the RG were then called back into Bahgdad. Novak leaves this important information out completely.

Hey Bob, if it worked the first time, don't you think we'll try it again????? Don't bet on any ground combat against the RG, because by then, they won't exist.

37 posted on 10/16/2002 10:19:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Korth
Maybe it's this Novak?


38 posted on 10/16/2002 10:20:26 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Korth
A quick Google search turned up this:
Another recent and famous convert from Judaism is news commentator Robert Novak. It was marvelous to see a recent interview of Novak on EWTN.

The source is a message board at this URL. His conversion is widely known in Catholic circles, as is Larry Kudlow's. I gotta run, so I can't give you more than this.

39 posted on 10/16/2002 10:21:11 AM PDT by ishmac
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To: Korth
It would appear that this pompous moron Novak actually believes that he's entitled to be privy to sensitive war plans...

LOL!

40 posted on 10/16/2002 10:26:02 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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