Skip to comments.Peggy Noonan: Man of Mystery
Posted on 10/17/2002 9:04:29 PM PDT by Pokey78Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
John Paul II marked the start of the 25th year of his papacy, now figured to be the fourth longest in history, with a startling announcement in St Peter's Square: He does not intend to resign but will let the Boss decide when he should leave, and by the way he has decided to change the rosary, the daily devotion Catholics have recited for 900 years. Now the pope has many issues vying for his attention, including his decision Thursday for reject the American bishops' plan for dealing with clergy sex abuse, but it is actually hard to imagine a more dramatic and far-reaching decision than the addition of the "luminous mysteries," for it will literally change how millions of ardent believers pray each day for peace.
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God bless Peggy Noonan.
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LOL ... Peggy you are a treat and I do enjoy reading your articles ..
an old woman with moles and wens and a sharp bent nose???
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I pray the Rosary nearly daily (for Peace, as Mary suggested) and about once a week or so I pray the full 15 mysteries. It has often seemed "odd" to me to make that "jump" as Peggy points out. I am going to enjoy this enhancement fully.
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Hmmm . . . praying is quite obviously recommended in the Bible. And the prayers of the Rosary are direct quotations on the Bible. To pray a Hail Mary is to reflect on the Incarnation of Christ. The Incarnation is, along with the Trinity, the central doctrine of Christianity.
And why is the focus of my faith not firmly, 100%, always on the One who the whole book is about?
If you think that the Rosary is not focused on Jesus, then you're not familiar with the Rosary as it was taught to me.
And where dows it say anything about Mary being sinless?
Or not dying?
The Catholic Church does not hold as an article of faith that Mary did not die. Please cite a reference for this assertion.
Or having ANYTHING to do with my fate?
She's the mother of your Savior. I'd say she is inextricably entwined in your eternal salvation.
And why if anything were we not asked to pray to Christ 50 times?
The Church asks us to pray to Christ every day. The Church asks us to call upon His Name every time we are tempted - unless you live in a padded cell, that must be hundreds of times each day for a normal person. The Church asks us to read the Gospels every day. The Church asks us to imitate Him every day. Apparently you've never read any Catholic catechism ever in your entire life, or you'd know that pretty well. I find it hard to believe you've ever been to a Mass.
Some of the same reasons I am no longer a Catholic - I can read the Bible for myself, and belong to a church that meets and governs by the rules I can also read and understand for myself.
Why do you take the Bible as your only source of religious authority? If you can understand the rules so plainly, why does every Protestant denomination interpret the rules differently? Where did you learn to read Hebrew and Greek so well that you are able to so authoritatively read the Bible for yourself, instead of taking some human being's translation for granted?
Five Mysteries of Light that deal with the life of Jesus Christ.
The Mysteries of Light
21. Moving on from the infancy and the hidden life in Nazareth to the public life of Jesus, our contemplation brings us to those mysteries which may be called in a special way "mysteries of light". Certainly the whole mystery of Christ is a mystery of light. He is the "light of the world" (Jn 8:12). Yet this truth emerges in a special way during the years of his public life, when he proclaims the Gospel of the Kingdom. In proposing to the Christian community five significant moments "luminous" mysteries during this phase of Christ's life, I think that the following can be fittingly singled out:
(1) his Baptism in the Jordan,
(2) his self-manifestation at the wedding of Cana,
(3) his proclamation of the Kingdom of God, with his call to conversion,
(4) his Transfiguration, and finally,
(5) his institution of the Eucharist, as the sacramental expression of the Paschal Mystery.
He also suggests that because Saturday is already a day associated with Marian devotion, moving the Joyful mysteries to Saturday would be fitting, freeing up Thursday for the Mysteries of Light. That would make the Rosary "calendar" as follows:
"According to current practice, Monday and Thursday are dedicated to the "joyful mysteries", Tuesday and Thursday (sic - Friday) to the "sorrowful mysteries", and Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday to the "glorious mysteries". Where might the "mysteries of light" be inserted? If we consider that the "glorious mysteries" are said on both Saturday and Sunday, and that Saturday has always had a special Marian flavour, the second weekly meditation on the "joyful mysteries", mysteries in which Mary's presence is especially pronounced, could be moved to Saturday. Thursday would then be free for meditating on the "mysteries of light".
BTW, you are always welcome to come home to the Catholic Church.
Who says everything having to do with our Faith must be found in the pages of the Bible? The Catholic Church sanctioned the Canon of Athanasius some 400 years after the death of our Lord...how did those people justify anything they thought, said or did without the Bible to instruct them?
And as to the mysteries themselves...they are all scriptural with the exception of the Assumption and the Coronation of the BVM as Queen of Heaven. Those events are deeply held and ancient traditions of the Church which predate the Bible by hundreds of years.
Now as for your question about why we're not saying 50 prayers to Christ...I can only tell you that we are. As Peggy says in her article the Rosary is a very Christocentric. All of the mysteries center on Our Lord and we only praise Mary because she was the mother of Our Lord, and by praising her we praise Our Lord. Her great Fiat at the Annunciation allowed the Incarnation to occur. her Fiat was voluntary and of her own free will, she said "Yes, Let it be done unto me as the Lord wills" and in doing so provided the perfect model of a Christian.
a Perfection expression of being "born again,"no? Msry, though sinless, could not enter the kingdom of heaven unless HE came. The moment she opened to the door to Him, He opened the door to heaven for her. She had only to follow.
<> I have that book at home. If I recall correctly, after JPII, there are only two more to follow - including Peter the Second, the Last Pope.<>
<> "Man" is a synecdoche. Now that you no longer lead a sheletered life, you have an opportunity to acquire some knowledge;)<>
Exceptions big enough to drive a semi through! "Queen of Heaven" is a title the ancients assigned to the primodial mother goddesses -- Cybele, Ashteroth, etc. Something about cosmic momism violates (and perverts) the design specifications of the man/God relationship. Induces a cosmic oedipus complex. Warps the role of sexuality, and a man's understanding of his legitimate masculinity.
Devotees of Cybele would, when seized by a religious ecstasy during the pagents commemorating that apparition of the Queen of Heaven, hack off their genitals, hurl them into the mother goddess's temple, put on new white linen robes, and join the parade. They sacrificed their sexuality to fructify mother earth.
Modern celebates (yes, that is a cognate word, derived from the name of that queen of heaven) equate purity with asexuality. They sacrifice the normal and God-ordained default setting of the human race (paired) in order to fructify the aims of Mother Church. Normal sexuality is equated with a rejection of the spiritual. (And this precious summons to maturity, to life, to family formation pops up in some shockingly pervserse ways when denied.)
(1) The word celibate does not derive from Cybele. It derives from the word celebs which is a Latin word used to describe an animal that has not been husbanded. The word celebs was already a well-established word in the Latin vocabulary before the worship of Cybele, a foreign goddess, was imported to Rome from Greek-speaking regions. It should be obvious that the root of celibate is celib/celeb and not cybel - the consonants are transposed. That's like saying the word marketing is derived from the word mattock because the two have the same consonants, even though they're transposed.
(2) The Greek word for celibate is anygynos which bears absolutely no relation to the word Cybele. You're mixing Latin and Greek to concoct a false etymology.
(3) Cybele was not known either to her Greek or Roman devotees as the "Queen of Heaven". Her epithet was "Great Mother". I would point out that the Litany of the Blessed Virgin, which is a list of the official titles given to Mary going back to the Roman era, does not include that title although it was much in vogue as a title for Cybele-type goddesses. Why? Because Christians then as well as Christians now know the difference between a fake goddess and a real saint.
(4) Even if your position was historically or etymologically accurate (and it is actually woefully inaccurate) it is logically barren. The same phrases we both apply to Jesus: Lord, Savior, King of Kings, Anointed One (i.e. Christ) were applied to various pagan godlets like Apollo, Osiris, Adonis, Dionysus etc. The fact that others have, in the past, applied to pagan deities the titles which rightfully belong to Jesus alone does not mean that worship of Christ is the same thing as belonging to a pagan fertility cult.
Likewise, venerating Jesus' mother as a saint and applying to her titles of which she is worthy - most preeminently that of Theotokos or mother of God - does not mean that Christians paying their due respect to the mother of their Lord are imitating pagan cults either.
(5) Finally, St. Paul calls the practice of celibacy praiseworthy and desirable and chose it for himself. If celibacy was pleasing to God in St. Paul as Scripture records, then the pursuit of that same Biblical commitment today is also pleasing. Casting aspersions on those who strive to live according to that Scriptural counsel and painting them as cultists is despicable, unBiblical and unChristian.
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