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Peggy Noonan: Man of Mystery
Opinion Journal ^ | 10/18/2002 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 10/17/2002 9:04:29 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

John Paul II marked the start of the 25th year of his papacy, now figured to be the fourth longest in history, with a startling announcement in St Peter's Square: He does not intend to resign but will let the Boss decide when he should leave, and by the way he has decided to change the rosary, the daily devotion Catholics have recited for 900 years. Now the pope has many issues vying for his attention, including his decision Thursday for reject the American bishops' plan for dealing with clergy sex abuse, but it is actually hard to imagine a more dramatic and far-reaching decision than the addition of the "luminous mysteries," for it will literally change how millions of ardent believers pray each day for peace.


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To: pgkdan
And as to the mysteries themselves...they are all scriptural with the exception of the Assumption and the Coronation of the BVM as Queen of Heaven.

Exceptions big enough to drive a semi through! "Queen of Heaven" is a title the ancients assigned to the primodial mother goddesses -- Cybele, Ashteroth, etc. Something about cosmic momism violates (and perverts) the design specifications of the man/God relationship. Induces a cosmic oedipus complex. Warps the role of sexuality, and a man's understanding of his legitimate masculinity.

Devotees of Cybele would, when seized by a religious ecstasy during the pagents commemorating that apparition of the Queen of Heaven, hack off their genitals, hurl them into the mother goddess's temple, put on new white linen robes, and join the parade. They sacrificed their sexuality to fructify mother earth.

Modern celebates (yes, that is a cognate word, derived from the name of that queen of heaven) equate purity with asexuality. They sacrifice the normal and God-ordained default setting of the human race (paired) in order to fructify the aims of Mother Church. Normal sexuality is equated with a rejection of the spiritual. (And this precious summons to maturity, to life, to family formation pops up in some shockingly pervserse ways when denied.)

41 posted on 10/18/2002 1:30:09 PM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: TomSmedley
You seem to have some issues with your mother...get some help.
42 posted on 10/18/2002 3:21:31 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Salvation
Thank you for the ping
43 posted on 10/18/2002 4:50:10 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: wideawake
For what it is worth -- As a Protestant and someone who has studied the Bible myself, you gave some very good answers. God bless you.
44 posted on 10/18/2002 4:59:55 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: TomSmedley
goddesses,mother earth, sacrifice the normal?---sounds like witchcraft to me...

45 posted on 10/18/2002 5:24:27 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: TomSmedley
<> LMAO. Thank you. I enjoyed that. Did you get your "information" from Carlos Casteneda, The Golden Bough, or the writings of Mr. Campbell? All three, plus Baba Ram Dass? Put out that joint, turn off the Lava Lamp, take "Eat a Peach" off of the turntable and go for a hike in the mountains to clear your head.<>
46 posted on 10/19/2002 5:36:09 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: D-fendr
http://www.dotm.org/ctrprayjonnette.htm

Be careful, Centering Prayer is OFTEN more "New Age" than Christian.
47 posted on 10/19/2002 10:53:53 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: TomSmedley
Apparently you have never read Revelation's description of the woman in heaven (who bears a child described in Christ-like tesm) who is clothed with the sun and wears a crown of stars....a biblical cosmic mom indeed....
48 posted on 10/19/2002 10:57:34 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: TomSmedley; pgkdan
You need to do a little more research.

(1) The word celibate does not derive from Cybele. It derives from the word celebs which is a Latin word used to describe an animal that has not been husbanded. The word celebs was already a well-established word in the Latin vocabulary before the worship of Cybele, a foreign goddess, was imported to Rome from Greek-speaking regions. It should be obvious that the root of celibate is celib/celeb and not cybel - the consonants are transposed. That's like saying the word marketing is derived from the word mattock because the two have the same consonants, even though they're transposed.

(2) The Greek word for celibate is anygynos which bears absolutely no relation to the word Cybele. You're mixing Latin and Greek to concoct a false etymology.

(3) Cybele was not known either to her Greek or Roman devotees as the "Queen of Heaven". Her epithet was "Great Mother". I would point out that the Litany of the Blessed Virgin, which is a list of the official titles given to Mary going back to the Roman era, does not include that title although it was much in vogue as a title for Cybele-type goddesses. Why? Because Christians then as well as Christians now know the difference between a fake goddess and a real saint.

(4) Even if your position was historically or etymologically accurate (and it is actually woefully inaccurate) it is logically barren. The same phrases we both apply to Jesus: Lord, Savior, King of Kings, Anointed One (i.e. Christ) were applied to various pagan godlets like Apollo, Osiris, Adonis, Dionysus etc. The fact that others have, in the past, applied to pagan deities the titles which rightfully belong to Jesus alone does not mean that worship of Christ is the same thing as belonging to a pagan fertility cult.

Likewise, venerating Jesus' mother as a saint and applying to her titles of which she is worthy - most preeminently that of Theotokos or mother of God - does not mean that Christians paying their due respect to the mother of their Lord are imitating pagan cults either.

(5) Finally, St. Paul calls the practice of celibacy praiseworthy and desirable and chose it for himself. If celibacy was pleasing to God in St. Paul as Scripture records, then the pursuit of that same Biblical commitment today is also pleasing. Casting aspersions on those who strive to live according to that Scriptural counsel and painting them as cultists is despicable, unBiblical and unChristian.

49 posted on 10/19/2002 5:44:29 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Pokey78
Peggy is wonderful, just plain and simple. I am not Catholic, but I will read anything this woman writes. It was really interesting, because I had no idea what the stations of the Rosery were about. Learn something everyday.
50 posted on 10/19/2002 6:01:43 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
OOps, RosAry. I said I wasn't Catholic!
51 posted on 10/19/2002 6:02:26 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: txzman
I recommend you visit this site. It will answer many of your wrongly held OPINIONS regarding the Catholic faith.

Dominus Vobiscum

52 posted on 10/19/2002 6:10:02 PM PDT by ProtectRUnborn
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To: D-fendr
Blessed

Mother

Bump!

-pru

53 posted on 10/19/2002 6:21:12 PM PDT by ProtectRUnborn
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To: Notwithstanding
"Centering Prayer is OFTEN more "New Age" than Christian. "

Don't know how to quantify or measure its practice, whether "often" or "sometimes" or "can be."

Certainly a spiritual director is useful or required. Centering Prayer was initially designed as a beginning point, we have lost even the baby steps of Christian contemplation in so many churches.

I read your linked article and think the author lacks an understanding of the key difference between Centering Prayer and Eastern Meditation: Intention.

And the charge of: "Emptying the mind" is a common misnomer for meditative practices of both East and West. Escapism, "blissing-out" etc. are not the practice or goal of any major meditative tradition - just the opposite. "Bare awareness" is a more accurate term, and improving the ability to concentrate (as opposed to space out) is necessary in as well.

Still, correcting mistaken impresssions is important, and one should always take care in his or her spiritual practices and be among a healthy community with healthy experienced spiritual guidance. We agree on this.

I think, however, the greater danger is that organized Christianity will become shallow and fade in it usefulness to the West without rejuvenating its spiritual practice of the contemplative tradition.

Centering Prayer is just one practice, I mention it because it is the most cross-denominational. Within Catholocism there are others to explore.

thanks for your reply.

54 posted on 10/19/2002 6:27:51 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Askel5; Romulus; eastsider; ELS; frogandtoad; Diago; LadyDoc; redhead; american colleen; patent; ...
A good read, a little blessing for the week ahead.
55 posted on 10/19/2002 7:47:02 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: saradippity; Coleus; Codie
You'll be blessed by this. Ping.
56 posted on 10/19/2002 7:49:37 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Yes, I will..

thank you.
57 posted on 10/19/2002 8:04:23 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus
My pleasure. God bless!
58 posted on 10/19/2002 8:05:33 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
Thanks for the ping.Somewhere in the accompanying document the Pope says:To recite the Rosary is nothing more than to contemplate with Mary,the face of Christ."

That touched my very core.

59 posted on 10/19/2002 11:19:27 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: wideawake
Thank you. Well said.
60 posted on 10/21/2002 8:10:10 AM PDT by B-Chan
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