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Drivers of White Vans are being treated as criminals
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Posted on 10/20/2002 7:48:19 AM PDT by SamAdams76

The photos above currently on the Drudge site concern me. I followed the link and the article clearly stated that nobody was arrested last night.

Why then, do we have drivers of white vans, innocent civilians, evidently being pulled out vans at gunpoint and treated like dangerous criminals? One photo shows a man on the ground, evidently in handcuffs, with police officers standing over him as though they have just captured Whitey Bulger. When I first saw the photo, I figured the man was obviously a wanted criminal that police just so happened to come across during their search. But since there were no arrests last night, this man was obviously released and was no criminal after all.

The other photo shows a man by another white van with his hands in the air and a police officer has a gun drawn on him. Again, this was evidently just another innocent civilian who had the misfortune to be driving a white van on I-95 last night.

Now I understand the need for these roadblocks and for the police to be very thorough in their search for the sniper(s). But I cannot see the point of innocent people dragged out of their vehicles at gunpoint with no pretext other than the fact that they happen to be driving a white van.

Now maybe somebody here has an explanation why these two individuals were treated like criminals. Maybe they tried to evade the police or maybe they were driving stolen vans. But again, there were no arrests made last night. So what is the deal with our citizens being treated like Jesse James just for driving a white van?


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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I think it is relevant. Do you think the people in D.C. mind cooperating with police on this half as much as people who are breaking out in hives about it here?

You just can't break out of your emotionalism on this can you? Since when does the law sway to the feelings of the people? It doesn't matter what the people of D.C. feel either. I'm sure a lot of them are now wishing it were legal to be armed there but it's against the law. Sucks don't it?

901 posted on 10/20/2002 9:48:19 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: TigersEye
In the 2 pictures posted there are no guns drawn nor are there any handcuffs on the guy on the ground.
902 posted on 10/20/2002 9:48:47 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
By next week the guy on the ground will have been shot in the back of the head.

As you posters say when something is funny - L.O.L.

That will be the story if that Sam76 guy reports the news.

903 posted on 10/20/2002 9:50:05 PM PDT by straightbend
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To: Texasforever
BTW I just zoomed into the picture and there are not even handcuffs.

The myth is already unraveling.

904 posted on 10/20/2002 9:51:19 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: spunkets
c #2, the blonde's holding a stainless semi-auto.

Not that I can see.

905 posted on 10/20/2002 9:51:20 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Why is that man in the photograph cuffed and on the asphalt - do you know?

Not for sure, do you? The premise of the thread is that he was stopped for driving a white van and it might be possible, although no one knows, that the killer drives a white van. No arrests were made so he obviously wasn't the killer or any other wanted criminal.

906 posted on 10/20/2002 9:51:31 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: B Knotts
I think the problem here is that the police in this case appear to be applying this to such a large number of "suspect vehicles" that you end up with a very large number of opportunities for something to go wrong.

And nothing did. Pretty good cops eh? Thank God.

On that note, I am going to bed. Thanks for keeping civil with me.... It's been a long day here on this thread!

907 posted on 10/20/2002 9:51:31 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Texasforever
Oh now look at what you've done. You've tried to inject truth and fact into this arguement, they don't WANT to look at facts or truth. Just this over the top emotional response.

Have you noticed that they keep accusing everyone else of being emotional while they are fabricating facts out of thin air?

908 posted on 10/20/2002 9:51:49 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: TigersEye
So, it's "emotionalism" (third time you've used that word, but you don't see the "emotionalism" on the other side, and there is plenty) to point out the fact that the majority of people in the metro D.C. area are probably perfectly willing to cooperate with police? That's "emotionalism"? Wow.

Is it illegal for a cop to approach an individual in a vehicle with his gun drawn?

Is it illegal for a cop to ask you to step out of your car?

Is it illegal for a cop to physically restrain someone he or she feels may potentially be a danger?

Don't answer "emotionally".
909 posted on 10/20/2002 9:53:16 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: SamAdams76
Are the police overeacting???

Understandably so....

But we still need to watch what they do...and 'call' them on their 'mistakes'.

redrock

910 posted on 10/20/2002 9:53:56 PM PDT by redrock
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, using that logic, why not simply do door-to-door no-knock raids in a 100-mile radius of Washington, D.C.?

The police would be armed and ready to shoot, and since they're professionals, the residents have nothing to fear.

Putting aside the constitutional problems with such an idea, don't you think another major argument against doing this would be that it would needlessly put the lives and safety of very large numbers of innocent citizens at risk? That is my point. There are entirely too many innocent people in the class of "people driving white vans" to be pointing loaded firearms at all of them.

911 posted on 10/20/2002 9:54:33 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: TigersEye
Not for sure, do you?

No, I don't. But I guess that's the difference between you and me. I assume there was a legitimate reason. You assume there wasn't. Because that is the case, we're never going to agree about any of this, I'm afraid.

912 posted on 10/20/2002 9:55:48 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Iron Eagle
I don't know about you, but I'm getting real tired of trying to explain the obvious to some of these folks. It was refreshing to read your posts - clear, logical and reasonable. Those characteristics are missing in nearly half of the posts here.
913 posted on 10/20/2002 9:56:15 PM PDT by luvtheconstitution
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To: HairOfTheDog
" fit your spin."

I don't spin anything.

"Now they both ate dirt

Eating dirt is slang for being forced to the ground, as in pic #1, but it's not limited as to who does the forcing and how it's done.

"were held five hours. You just made that up!

The entire shutdown was around 5 hrs, who knows how long these 2 were held.

I'm not complaining that the shutdown was made, just how some folks were treated.

914 posted on 10/20/2002 9:57:43 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: B Knotts
There are entirely too many innocent people in the class of "people driving white vans" to be pointing loaded firearms at all of them.

First point out the loaded firearms being pointed in either picture. Then document that all white van owners in the vicinity are being treated this way. Then you may have some basis for your "concerns".

915 posted on 10/20/2002 9:58:36 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: HairOfTheDog
On that note, I am going to bed. Thanks for keeping civil with me.... It's been a long day here on this thread!

Well, have a good night...time for me to turn in as well. Like I said, I'm not inclined to agree with either extreme on this, and yes, I do believe that there are people on both extremes in this thread. Yes, let the police do their job to the degree possible within constitutional boundaries, and make sure that the greater goal of protecting the public is not lost in the desire to catch the sniper(s).

916 posted on 10/20/2002 9:59:22 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: McGavin999
Have you noticed that they keep accusing everyone else of being emotional while they are fabricating facts out of thin air?

As I said earlier, an urban myth in the making.

917 posted on 10/20/2002 10:00:10 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Lawmakers have already been warned to stay off golf courses. Should I elaborate? I'd rather not, if I don't need to.

This is descending into absolute absurdity. I must assume (since you wouldn't elaborate) that you are referring to the terrorist alert issued last April. This killer hasn't shot at a lawmaker, a lawmaker's family member, a lawmaker's employee or even been near the capitol area unless I missed that somewhere. Just because our courageous CongressCritters would throw their own mothers in front of them to keep from being hurt doesn't make this killer of ordinary citizens a threat to them. Sheesh!

918 posted on 10/20/2002 10:02:28 PM PDT by TigersEye
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To: B Knotts
LOL! You are in a panic now! We are not talking no-knock raids within 100 miles of DC! We are talking about a backup of vehicles leaving the scene of a shooting. He was close to there, our perp. Very close to there. a few minutes or miles...

In addition to these two pictures, I watched a lot of video of the police working their way through this backup with varying responses to each vehicle based on the situation. The cops didn't walk around aiming their guns all night like mad robots. They reacted to situations. Don't leap to conclusions that are not in the set of facts we are dealing with please, tensions are high enough.

I am still trying to go to bed!
919 posted on 10/20/2002 10:03:25 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Texasforever
First point out the loaded firearms being pointed in either picture.

Don't you get it, Texasforever? The government hacked the website and removed the guns and the handcuffs from the pictures. It's a conspiracy!!!!

920 posted on 10/20/2002 10:05:22 PM PDT by Roscoe
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