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CNN: Archaeologists Report 1st Direct Evidence of Jesus
Oct. 21, 2002 | CNN

Posted on 10/21/2002 9:04:51 AM PDT by jern

BREAKING: Archaeologists Report 1st Direct Evidence of Jesus


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
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To: Aggie Mama
Luke 1:28, 30 Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you...Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God."

Luke 1: 42...and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirt, cired out in a loud voice ad said,"Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb."

And after Jesus was born? Oh oh, they dropped her like a hot potato.

101 posted on 10/21/2002 11:59:25 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
What are you referring to? Who is "they" in your comment?
102 posted on 10/21/2002 12:02:53 PM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: jern
The first "direct evidence? Could CNN have forgotten about the Shroud of Turin?

I kinda doubt that they'll find any "direct evidence" that's more compelling.

103 posted on 10/21/2002 12:07:18 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Desdemona
We're approaching this from a more jaded, 21st century perspective. Even from that perspective, if I were Joseph I would be a little hesitant to "lay myself down" with a woman who had such intimate relations with the Maker of the Universe.

Now transport that hesitancy back 2000 years, to a people where God was everything. You get the idea.

Regards, Ivan

104 posted on 10/21/2002 12:07:38 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Desdemona; concerned about politics
Does somebody have a Catechism handy? Or just a link to the argument we had in the last couple weeks on the Immaculate Conception.

I must have missed the "discussion". Here is the church's stance on the Immaculate Conception. Is this what you were referring to?

491. "Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, 'full of grace' through God,[ .] was redeemed from the moment of her CONCEPTION. That is what the dogma of the IMMACULATE CONCEPTION confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her CONCEPTION, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.[Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803.]"

105 posted on 10/21/2002 12:10:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: MadIvan
That would be very intimidating to say the least.
106 posted on 10/21/2002 12:11:27 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: Aggie Mama
What are you referring to? Who is "they" in your comment?

All those angels who praised her while carring the Lord. After she had her blessing, her job was complete. That was her reward. Time to do her wifely duty with Joe.
God used people to do his will throughout the Bible, but he did not request statues to be made of them to pray to, now did he?
There were many in the Bible who were blessed. Being allowed to be the vessel to carry Jesus was her blessing. That's all she got. It was over. Time to move on.
Nowhere in the Bible is she to be prayed to. God hated idols. I looked. Nothing, nadda, zilch.
If you can show me where Mary is to be considered diety, and worthy of prayers, please show me.

107 posted on 10/21/2002 12:11:48 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: NYer
And who gave Pope Pius this important piece of infromation?, ....makes you wonder why something so inmportant was left out of the bible.
108 posted on 10/21/2002 12:14:49 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: jern
Archeologists Report Direct Evidence of Mohammed


109 posted on 10/21/2002 12:14:54 PM PDT by montag813
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To: concerned about politics
Why shouldn't she service her husband like other wives?

"Mary was betrothed to Joseph. This was more than what we mean by being engaged. It involved a public pledge and implied the possibility of intimate relations. Joseph and Mary had evidently made a promise of abstinence or virginity to each other. This can seem strange to us, but some of the things we have learned about the Essenes from the Dead Scrolls help to put such a promise in a context. The Essenes had a monastery in Qumran where some of the members lived lifelong celibacy. There were also married couples associated with them who abstained from sexual relations for short or long periods of time in order to devote themselves more fully to prayer. Paul makes a reference to that practice (which had Old Testament roots) in his first letter to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 7:5: "Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer."). Joseph and Mary who were pious Jews may have been influenced by the Essene milieu. For that reason when the angel told Mary she would conceive and give birth to a son, she did not say, "Oh, Joseph and I are going to have a child." No, what she said was, "How is this possible since I have no relations with a man?" Or as another translation say, "since I am remaining a virgin."

The angel Gabriel replied, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you."


110 posted on 10/21/2002 12:15:39 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: MadIvan
What about all those guys who think they are 'god's gift'? ;-)
111 posted on 10/21/2002 12:16:25 PM PDT by Happygal
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To: concerned about politics
If you're claiming your comment here is "Biblically-based," (I have no idea), then you're absolutely wrong. Check out the first two chapters of Acts:

[12]Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day's journey away; [13] and when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James.
[14] All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. (Acts 1: 12-14)(RSV)

[1] When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. [2] And suddenly a sound came from heaven like the rush of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared to them tongues as of fire, distributed and resting on each one of them. (Acts 2: 1-3)(RSV)

Mary was amongst the people the Holy Spirit descended upon the day of Pentecost. If she "was just a vessel chosen to carry the blessed child. A womb, but that's all," why would she have been chosen to be present on this day? This is only one example of the pick-and-choose Scripture attitude of certain Christians.

112 posted on 10/21/2002 12:17:24 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Desdemona
I love how some Catholics are SO entrenched in their self-superiority that they don't bother to hide it. Your contempt for your Protestant brothers and sisters is clear throughout your posts on this subject. If you're hoping to win converts, I suggest you re-examine your approach . . .
113 posted on 10/21/2002 12:18:47 PM PDT by LibertyGirl77
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To: Happygal
What about all those guys who think they are 'god's gift'? ;-)

I don't think Joseph was one of those. After all, his idea of a flash set of wheels was a broken down donkey with one previous owner. ;)

Love, Ivan

114 posted on 10/21/2002 12:19:13 PM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Delbert
And who gave Pope Pius this important piece of infromation?, ....makes you wonder why something so inmportant was left out of the bible.

Well, homosexual priests weren't in the Bible, either. Someone wrote that part in, I guess. LOL.
They still haven't arrested any.

115 posted on 10/21/2002 12:21:04 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
After she had her blessing, her job was complete.

Not exactly. The disciple whom Jesus loved was entrusted to whose care at Calvary?

John 19:26
When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son,"

Not only is Mary Mother of God, she is also Mother of the Church.

116 posted on 10/21/2002 12:24:02 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Desdemona; concerned about politics; Delbert
But, James was not a full brother to Jesus.

You are correct. Same mother, different fathers.

117 posted on 10/21/2002 12:25:02 PM PDT by HeadOn
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To: montag813
Archeologists Report Direct Evidence of Mohammed <---Man that was very cool.
118 posted on 10/21/2002 12:25:59 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: Pyro7480
14] All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. (Acts 1: 12-14)(RSV)

So she was there praying with the rest. Big deal. I would expect her to show up.

Mary was amongst the people the Holy Spirit descended upon the day of Pentecost.

I repeat, with all the others. She wasn't special here either. The rest recieved the Holy Spirit as well.

What's your point?

119 posted on 10/21/2002 12:26:05 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: MadIvan
Could have been worse, I mean, he could have owned a Matiz! *L*
120 posted on 10/21/2002 12:26:13 PM PDT by Happygal
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