Wellstone Memorial on C-SPAN2 NOW!

C-SPAN2 ^ | 10/29/02 | Dr.Michael

[DoctorMichael]

Memorial Service and political rally on now.

[LionelHutz]

What I have a problem with is all the politicos who walked in grinning like Cheshire cats, high-fiving each other, and even dancing. They acted like they were attending a party not like they were arriving at a memorial service for a beloved friend and peer. Have you looked at the pictures on this thread? Grinning is pretty close to laughing, which you just agreed was OK in a celebration of someone's life. I saw no high-fiving or dancing.

[Timesink]

The local media handled it beautifully after the "Memorial" ended. They actually called the event inappropiate and tasteless. This was both the ABC and NBC affliates.

A massive riot involving 20,000 people tonight on the University of Minnesota campus! Among those arrested for was actor Michael J Fox on a charge of resisting arrest. He was later released when it was discovered that he was not actually attempting to escape from the police but instead was merely having a Parkinson's fit. One Albert Gore, Jr. was also arrested on an unrelated warrant from two years ago.

[LionelHutz]

Buddy .. if you didn't out yourself before .. you just did now

Whatever. I believe lawyers have an expression. "If the facts are on your side, argue the facts. If the facts are not on your side, argue the law. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, attack the other lawyer."

Attacking me personally tells me you can't touch me on the merits.

[LibWhacker]

Awwww, man . . . I missed the whole thing! Did Larry Flynt show up? Did they have a big orgy?

[WoofDog123]

*Grinning is pretty close to laughing, which you just agreed was OK in a celebration of someone's life. I saw no high-fiving or dancing.*

I am sure that the clintons were 'celebrating wellstone's life' tonight. Was clinton's laughter at ron brown's funeral (before he saw the camera on him) also 'celebrating brown's life?'

[potlatch]

Hey, doug, do you happen to know the song "Hearts Made of Stone" from the late 50's. Would make a great one to parody the Dems!?

[thoughtomator]

Just take a look at the joy on the Clintons' faces. Those are not smiles tempered with respect or sobriety in the face of death. Those are smiles of people overjoyed at free hours of television time seven days before an election, knowing they have an enormous audience in the number of people interested in paying respects to the late senator.

That is the sick, twisted behavior I am talking about.

Are all Democrats like that? I'm sure that a majority are decent and sincere folks - Wellstone was one of them. The party leadership doesn't reflect that, however. The Clintons, Daschles, Carvilles, and MacAuliffes, and those that would gladly be their stooges, are the ones calling the shots - and if you're a Democrat, that should scare the piss out of you.

Too many in the Democratic Party are of common blood with the Clintons. Too few are of common blood to Senator Wellstone.

[doug from upland]

I don't know that song but I stayed up late to write DANCIN' IN THE STREET

[Timesink]

No doubt that DNC got the VIPs. Although I have to wonder what it took to "muster" slightly less than half the senate to attend a memorial for a sitting member. Nevertheless, speakers and attendees were overwhelmingly local. And most were unpolished and clearly uncomfortable.

I don't think anyone's trying to deny that thousands of the attendees were really there for an honest memorial service. But the fact remains that there were all sorts of very high-ranking Democrats there until questionable pretenses, many of whom openly used the service for blatantly partisan purposes. Wellstone HATED Bill Clinton, for example, nor was Clinton ever a Senator, nor does he currently hold any legitimate office either in governent or in the Democratic Party. He had no real reason to fly out there at all, unless he was claiming to be there just as Hillary's husband, which would be pretty hard to stomach considering the attention the giant video screen gave to him.

[bybybill]

If Wellstone had lost the election and then died, how many people would be at this rally, I mean memorial?

[thoughtomator]

Let me correct myself - that should scare the piss out of you if you are not craven enough to be of the mind that any behavior - truth or lie, sincere or insincere, legal or illegal, innocent or murderous - is justified as a means to the intended end of putting a Democrat in office.

[LionelHutz]

after Rick Kahn spoke .. it went down hill FAST

I agree, as do others, that Kahn went too far down the wrong road. But no one ever claimed he spoke for the event.

I did want to point out that the moderator/master of ceremonies, the (Democratic) former mayor of St. Paul did inject some decorum after Kahn's speech with a little light humor, saying something like "I was worried that he might be straying a bit into partisanship there, but I was relieved note that he did so in the spirit of bipartisanship."

[Timesink]

Or a Palestinian funeral. Just missing the guns firing into the air.

Say what you will about the Palestinians, but they sure as hell know how to throw a funeral. When I die, I want my casket carried through the streets by thousands of angry shrieking chanting Arabs. AND I want the firing guns.

[potlatch]

Well, guess you're just too darn young!! LOL. I'll go listen to your song now.

[Timesink]

Those are smiles of people overjoyed at free hours of television time seven days before an election, knowing they have an enormous audience in the number of people interested in paying respects to the late senator.

And, more importantly, in paying respect to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

[Dianna]

If Wellstone had lost the election and then died, how many people would be at this rally, I mean memorial?

Well, that depends...would the "service" be televised? If there were no cameras, no reporting, very few would be there.

[Brytani]

The Kadish is the prayer for the dead. Shiva is the period of mourning that some Jews "sit" for 7 days after the death of a loved one. More information can be found here - http://www.jewishbookoflife.com/pages/ritualsofmourning.htm.

Hope this helps.


Below is the Kadish the transliteration and the English. It's a very beautiful prayer said with great reverance for passing of a loved one.

Yit-ga-dal ve-yit-kadash she-mei ra-ba, Be-al-ma di-ve-ra
chi-re-u-tei, ve-yam-lich
mal-chu-tei, Be-cha-yei-chon u-ve-yo-mei-chon u-ve-cha-yei
de-chol beit Yis-raeil,
Ba-aga-la u-vi-ze-man ka-riv, ve-i-me-ru: a-mein.

English Translation

Readers and Mourners

Magnified and sanctified be the great name of God throughout the world which He hath created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom during the days of your life and during the life of all the house of Israel, speedily, yea, soon; and say ye, Amen.

Congregation

Ye-hei she-mei ra-ba me-va-rach, le-a-lam u-le-al-mei
al-ma-ya.

Congregation

May His great name be blessed for ever and ever.

Mourners

Yit-ba-rach ve-yish-ta-bach, ve-yit-pa-ar ve-yit-ro-mam,
Ve-yit-na-sei ve-yit-ha-dar, ve-yit-a-leh, ve-yit-ha-lal
she-mei de-ku-de-sha, be-rich hu,
Le-ei-la min kol bir-cha-ta ve-shi-ra-ta, tush-be-cha-ta
Ve-ne-che-ma-ta, daa-mi-ran be-al-ma ve-i-me-ru: a-mein.
Ye-hei she-la-ma ra-ba min she-ma-ya ve-cha-yim a-lei-nu
Ve-al kol Yis-ra-eil ve-i-me-ru: a-mein.
O-seh sha-lom bim-ro-mav, hu ya-a-seh sha-lom alei-nu
Ve-al kol Yis-ra-eil, ve-i-me-ru: a-mein.

Reader and Mourners

Exalted and honored by the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, whose glory transcends, yea, is beyond all blessings and hymns, praises and consolations which are uttered In the world; and say ye, Amen. May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life for us and for all Israel; and say ye, Amen. May He who establisheth peace in the heavens, grant peace unto us and unto all Israel; and say ye, Amen.

[Brytani]

I generally do not correct people, but Jews do not sit Kaddish, they sit Shiva for the passing of a loved one, the Kaddish is the prayer of the dead.

[sneakypete]

http://home.socal.rr.com/picsgifs/images/wellstone5.jpg

The Bubbas pose with the child they adopted for the 96 elections.My,how they grow so quickly! The child was laer heard to say,"Mhbhbu. Qilaihn sigonet oneu ugph migf."

[bybybill]

Reality time,after listening to that wind bag from Iowa talk about dear Paul, what in the hell did Wellstone do that changed America? IMHO, all he ever did was to vote with Tiny Tom.